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SoBe Yourself's avatar - lizard3
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I recently purchased Gail Howard's book on pick 5 games. Here in MD, we have "Bonus Match 5" where you can pick five numbers but 6 are drawn. So I tried the strategies and failed miserably. Is this because I bought the wrong book or do I just have really bad luck?

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    Have u tried lotto-logix for free wheels?

    love to nibble those micey feet.

     

                                 

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      Have u tried lotto-logix for free wheels?

       <curious> I only have the wheel 5 book. What is that?

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        www.Lotto-Logix.com

        Bob is a member here - he has lots of info and wheels.

        love to nibble those micey feet.

         

                                     

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          Oh. It's kinda late, but I'll remember to check it out later.

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            I recently purchased Gail Howard's book on pick 5 games. Here in MD, we have "Bonus Match 5" where you can pick five numbers but 6 are drawn. So I tried the strategies and failed miserably. Is this because I bought the wrong book or do I just have really bad luck?

            You're simply up against odds that are heavily against you, and there is no book that will change that.

            I'll offer you a wheel for free, and it guarantees winning the jackpot, subject to the usual disclaimers on wheels. Just pick any 5 numbers and wheel them in the only 5 number combination you can make with 5 numbers. If the numbers in your wheel are all drawn you are guaranteed to win, and it will be the jackpot.

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              You're simply up against odds that are heavily against you, and there is no book that will change that.

              I'll offer you a wheel for free, and it guarantees winning the jackpot, subject to the usual disclaimers on wheels. Just pick any 5 numbers and wheel them in the only 5 number combination you can make with 5 numbers. If the numbers in your wheel are all drawn you are guaranteed to win, and it will be the jackpot.

              I get the point. I've just always wondered if there is some actual strategery in playing the lottery and that it's more than just sheer dumb luck. I think a lot of posters on this site have the same feeling.

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                Posted: September 22, 2007, 2:01 am - IP Logged

                I recently purchased Gail Howard's book on pick 5 games. Here in MD, we have "Bonus Match 5" where you can pick five numbers but 6 are drawn. So I tried the strategies and failed miserably. Is this because I bought the wrong book or do I just have really bad luck?

                I'm guessing Gail's book doesn't specifically address the MD-5/39 game with bonus ball.  Nice game, good lower tier prizes, the bonus ball helps you win not like a power or mega ball that makes it harder.

                There are two halves to winning a lottery, sort of a ying and yang thing. 

                On one side is number selection where you choose a field larger then the size of a single ticket in the hope the winning numbers will be among them.  The only way to guarantee all the winning numbers will be among your picks is to put all the numbers into play. 

                The other side is wheeling, where you weave a net of numbers to catch a prize.  Normally Pick-5 wheeling is for 5 numbers drawn and Pick-6 wheeling is for 6 numbers drawn.  Your game is a hybrid.

                Because your game requires 5 numbers per line, but draws 6 you are over paying by playing the standard Pick-5 wheel.  What you want is a wheel that is constructed to the same guarantee only with 6 numbers drawn instead. 

                What you need is a copy of CoverMaster to make your own wheels.
                Go here . . . http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html

                There are three listings for CM.  The older version you can download and use right away.  The Doc or manual, I wrote it! The third link goes to CM's author's site. He doesn't charge, but does require people email him for the password. Download the copy he offers of the newest version and request the password.

                Say you want to wheel 15 numbers with 3 guaranteed on a line if all five winning numbers fall among the 15.

                Pool 15
                Pick 5
                Match 3
                Hits 5
                [generate] (With a little practice you should get 13 lines)

                 1  2  3  9 10
                 1  4  7 13 15
                 1  5  6  8 14
                 1  9 10 11 12
                 2  4  6  8 12
                 2  4  8 11 14
                 2  5  8 11 15
                 2  7  9 10 13
                 3  4  5  9 10
                 3  6  7 11 13
                 3  8 12 14 15
                 5  7 12 13 14
                 6  9 10 14 15
                end 13 lines 3if5of15n13combinations

                Now we make the same wheel for 6 numbers drawn.

                Pool 15
                Pick 5
                Match 3
                Hits 6

                 1  2  4  6 12
                 1  3  5  6 13
                 1  4 10 13 15
                 2  3  4  8 11
                 2  7  8  9 14
                 3  4 10 12 15
                 5  6  8 12 13
                 5  7 10 11 12
                 6  9 11 14 15
                end 9 lines 3if6in15n9c

                See the advantage?  Gail have anything like this in her book?
                Of course the disadvantage is you have to get 6 rather then 5 numbers correct for the guarantee to kick in, but many users opt for a wheel with less then 100% coverage. 

                Pool 15
                Pick 5
                Match 3
                Hits 6
                90% coverage

                 1  2  3  5 10
                 1  3  4  9 12
                 2  6  7  9 12
                 4  5  6  7 10
                 8 11 13 14 15
                end 90% 3if6in15n5c

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                  I recently purchased Gail Howard's book on pick 5 games. Here in MD, we have "Bonus Match 5" where you can pick five numbers but 6 are drawn. So I tried the strategies and failed miserably. Is this because I bought the wrong book or do I just have really bad luck?

                  Gail Howard has a wheel strategy for Maryland's bonus match 5.

                  But you must consider several things how many numbers in the wheel, are they the right numbers in the wheel, and how much can you afford to play.

                  Since no one knows from day to day what numbers might be drawn. all wheels are basically a crap shoot. you are trying to trap the numbers by placing them in a wheel.

                  First i would develop a strategy and try it on paper. If your strategy works then stick to it.

                  Oh and you must use the history of at least 30 draws. Going to far back in the history will only side track you as they change ball sets regularly  

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                    Here are the last 30 draws BM5 do a count up of all the digits how many 1's '2's 3's etc
                    Take notice of how many days numbers repeated from draw to draw. This can really screw up your play if you didn't include at least three of those digits in your wheel.
                    Decide if you willing to not put certain cold numbers in your wheel. A scenario i tried for a while that would have worked if i stuck with it. I put cold digits in a lot of my wheels and it didn't work.
                    I've all but gave up playing this game cause they stopped paying the taxes on the win. So i just play my favorite picks once in a while.

                    8/23/2007 10.28.31.32.39
                    8/24/2007 05.20.28.37.38
                    8/25/2007 02.06.10.19.26
                    8/26/2007 06.08.16.19.39
                    8/27/2007 06.12.13.29.31
                    8/28/2007 17.25.28.36.37
                    8/29/2007 02.06.09.11.38
                    8/30/2007 01.14.26.27.35
                    8/31/2007 04.13.20.37.39
                    9/1/2007  19.20.22.26.35
                    9/2/2007  11.12.32.35.39
                    9/3/2007  01.04.20.37.38
                    9/4/2007   05.15.21.26.31
                    9/5/2007   21.25.26.27.29
                    9/6/2007   07.08.10.27.33
                    9/7/2007   03.07.20.21.39
                    9/8/2007   09.17.18.27.28
                    9/9/2007   09.14.21.26.36
                    9/10/2007 01.07.12.17.28
                    9/11/2007 08.20.25.28.39
                    9/12/2007 03.10.11.21.34
                    9/13/2007 02.04.11.24.27
                    9/14/2007 08.11.19.22.37
                    9/15/2007 01.02.09.15.26
                    9/16/2007 20.23.26.29.32
                    9/17/2007 05.21.29.33.37
                    9/18/2007 06.28.31.35.38
                    9/19/2007 03.07.11.15.37
                    9/20/2007 01.04.08.27.29
                    9/21/2007 02.12.20.22.27

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                      Here are the last 30 draws BM5 do a count up of all the digits how many 1's '2's 3's etc
                      Take notice of how many days numbers repeated from draw to draw. This can really screw up your play if you didn't include at least three of those digits in your wheel.
                      Decide if you willing to not put certain cold numbers in your wheel. A scenario i tried for a while that would have worked if i stuck with it. I put cold digits in a lot of my wheels and it didn't work.
                      I've all but gave up playing this game cause they stopped paying the taxes on the win. So i just play my favorite picks once in a while.

                      8/23/2007 10.28.31.32.39
                      8/24/2007 05.20.28.37.38
                      8/25/2007 02.06.10.19.26
                      8/26/2007 06.08.16.19.39
                      8/27/2007 06.12.13.29.31
                      8/28/2007 17.25.28.36.37
                      8/29/2007 02.06.09.11.38
                      8/30/2007 01.14.26.27.35
                      8/31/2007 04.13.20.37.39
                      9/1/2007  19.20.22.26.35
                      9/2/2007  11.12.32.35.39
                      9/3/2007  01.04.20.37.38
                      9/4/2007   05.15.21.26.31
                      9/5/2007   21.25.26.27.29
                      9/6/2007   07.08.10.27.33
                      9/7/2007   03.07.20.21.39
                      9/8/2007   09.17.18.27.28
                      9/9/2007   09.14.21.26.36
                      9/10/2007 01.07.12.17.28
                      9/11/2007 08.20.25.28.39
                      9/12/2007 03.10.11.21.34
                      9/13/2007 02.04.11.24.27
                      9/14/2007 08.11.19.22.37
                      9/15/2007 01.02.09.15.26
                      9/16/2007 20.23.26.29.32
                      9/17/2007 05.21.29.33.37
                      9/18/2007 06.28.31.35.38
                      9/19/2007 03.07.11.15.37
                      9/20/2007 01.04.08.27.29
                      9/21/2007 02.12.20.22.27

                      Your post suggests you are playing this as a straight up Pick-5 game as the 6th ball from the draw isn't included in your draw history leaving it out of the calculation.

                      Based on the above it appears numbers from the prior draw repeat or don't, roughly 50/50.  One strategy would be to plan for no repeats and strip 5 numbers from those to select from lowering the odds on the days this strategy works, or make two wheels one with no repeat numbers and one with multiple repeat numbers.

                      Something to consider. Having a repeat number on every line on a day when no numbers repeat would make a jackpot win impossible.

                      BobP
                       

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                        Your post suggests you are playing this as a straight up Pick-5 game as the 6th ball from the draw isn't included in your draw history leaving it out of the calculation.

                        Based on the above it appears numbers from the prior draw repeat or don't, roughly 50/50.  One strategy would be to plan for no repeats and strip 5 numbers from those to select from lowering the odds on the days this strategy works, or make two wheels one with no repeat numbers and one with multiple repeat numbers.

                        Something to consider. Having a repeat number on every line on a day when no numbers repeat would make a jackpot win impossible.

                        BobP
                         

                        BobP wrote; Your post suggests you are playing this as a straight up Pick-5 game as the 6th ball from the draw isn't included in your draw history leaving it out of the calculation.


                        This is true while they draw the bonus ball from the same machine it only helps you to win lower teir prizes. And i never use the bonus ball for my history. 

                        And yes i do the two wheel stragety.

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                          I recently purchased Gail Howard's book on pick 5 games. Here in MD, we have "Bonus Match 5" where you can pick five numbers but 6 are drawn. So I tried the strategies and failed miserably. Is this because I bought the wrong book or do I just have really bad luck?

                          Whether you use a Gail Howard wheel or a Bluskov wheel, a wheel is only as good as the numbers you put in it.  Therefore, to SELECT those numbers you need to study her number selection strategies in Lottery Master Guide, which is also advertised on this site.

                          Number selection strategies are based on what is likely to happen.  For example, if your lotto game averages one repeat number a drawing, then you need to include at least one repeat number in your wheel.

                          You did not buy the wrong book per se; you just need additionally to study some number selection strategies to improve the chances of more likely hitting numbers going into your wheel and producing one or more winning combinations.  Is any such strategy guaranteed to win?  No.  Nothing is guaranteed.  The wheel is a tool but you have to carefully choose which numbers to put in that wheel.

                          To lower your playing costs, consider forming a lotto pool where ticket or wheel costs are shared.  Good luck to you!

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                            Whether you use a Gail Howard wheel or a Bluskov wheel, a wheel is only as good as the numbers you put in it.  Therefore, to SELECT those numbers you need to study her number selection strategies in Lottery Master Guide, which is also advertised on this site.

                            Number selection strategies are based on what is likely to happen.  For example, if your lotto game averages one repeat number a drawing, then you need to include at least one repeat number in your wheel.

                            You did not buy the wrong book per se; you just need additionally to study some number selection strategies to improve the chances of more likely hitting numbers going into your wheel and producing one or more winning combinations.  Is any such strategy guaranteed to win?  No.  Nothing is guaranteed.  The wheel is a tool but you have to carefully choose which numbers to put in that wheel.

                            To lower your playing costs, consider forming a lotto pool where ticket or wheel costs are shared.  Good luck to you!

                            Yup. The first book wasn't enough, so buy another. And another. Gail Howard no doubt says thank you, since she has to rely on sales for a living instead of cashing her winning lottery tickets.

                            "if your lotto game averages one repeat number a drawing, then you need to include at least one repeat number in your wheel."

                            You need to include all of the numbers, because you don't know which of them will repeat.  Then there are the numbers that come from the 30 to 50 numbers that didn't come up in the last drawing or two (or ten). The only wheel that really works is a wheel with all of the numbers. Unfortunatley it costs too much to play them.

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                              do you have a scanner send me a copy of her book