Anyone who's ever worked in a restaurant knows it can be a lot of things — demanding, difficult and filled with long hours for very little return.
But for 16 people who toil at a new Yorkville restaurant called "ONE", there was something special on the menu that turned out to be the special of the day — a $4.6 million dollar win in Lotto 6/49.
The workers were telephoned one-by-one with the good news on Thursday and at first many refused to believe it. But it almost didn't happen. The group, some of whom have worked together at other eateries, had never gone in before on a single ticket.
"On Wednesday, I said why are we not doing it here? And we decided to do it," remembers restaurant manager Tim Salmon. "Sixteen people put the money in and that was it. And the rest is history."
So how much does each winner get? It's not quite the fortune that $4 million would suggest. Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on.
Which may explain why the lunch bunch, all between the ages of 21 and 43, wound up coming back to work after being told of their good fortune. And all will continue to show up, secure in the knowledge there's a little nest egg waiting for them just in case.
Most have already made plans for the money. "Buy a house, keep it away from my girlfriend," jokes Eric McEwan, the son of the restaurant's owner and one of the lucky winners. He's serious about the house, but not the 'keeping it from the girlfriend' part. "No. I love her," he assures. "She's good. No, I'm going to buy a house with her."
Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over.
Another hopes to pay off some school loans.
Which means the next time someone stiffs them on a tip, it may not sting quite as much as it used to before Thursday, when they ordered the lottery special — and it put a lot of new hope on their plate.
Thats the trouble with pools...you have to share the jackpot.
"Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on."
I wouldn't complain. Doesn't sound as if these happy winners are too upset about sharing either.
Congratulations to them.
"Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over."
I bet he's singing God Bless America tonight. This brings tears to my eyes. What a nice story.
Here's one thing about playing in a pool and dividing the jackpot up that many ways; all family, friends, and neighbors are going to know is you won the lottery, not how many ways it was split.
(I didn't include co-workers because in this case all the winners were co-workers- but it's probsably a good bet that the ones who go through their winings first will be putting the bite on those who don't blow it all)
But all in all, good for them!
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Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on Oct 13, 2007
"Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on."
I wouldn't complain. Doesn't sound as if these happy winners are too upset about sharing either.
Congratulations to them.
"Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over."
I bet he's singing God Bless America tonight. This brings tears to my eyes. What a nice story.
Its not that I'm not happy for the 16 winners,I am.But $287,000 is a long way from 4 1/2 million dollars,which is what one person would have received had he been the only winner.I know I would prefer winning 4 1/2 million dollars instead of $287,000.But thats just me...I'm greedy.
Its not that I'm not happy for the 16 winners,I am.But $287,000 is a long way from 4 1/2 million dollars,which is what one person would have received had he been the only winner.I know I would prefer winning 4 1/2 million dollars instead of $287,000.But thats just me...I'm greedy.
A person knows BEFOREHAND that they will end up splitting it with whoever is in the pool with them, so to them it doesn't matter. If they win, great, and if they don't, oh well. If someone asked me if I wanted to put in $1 towards a pool of tickets, I probably will. I'm not going to say, "Well if we have the winning ticket, that means I have to split it with you people, so I'm not going to". $287,000 is still better NOTHING. I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you won $287,000. I also bet you would feel sick to your stomach if someone asked you to join a pool and you didn't because you didn't want to split it with them, and then they won. That's enough to pay off a mortgage. Most people wish they could own their home outright.
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Quote: Originally posted by Guru101 on Oct 13, 2007
A person knows BEFOREHAND that they will end up splitting it with whoever is in the pool with them, so to them it doesn't matter. If they win, great, and if they don't, oh well. If someone asked me if I wanted to put in $1 towards a pool of tickets, I probably will. I'm not going to say, "Well if we have the winning ticket, that means I have to split it with you people, so I'm not going to". $287,000 is still better NOTHING. I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you won $287,000. I also bet you would feel sick to your stomach if someone asked you to join a pool and you didn't because you didn't want to split it with them, and then they won. That's enough to pay off a mortgage. Most people wish they could own their home outright.
I've been asked to join a pool on several occasions and I passed.Its not that I'm against winning,its that I'm against sharing.Its bad enough enough that I'm required to share with the state and federal government.I'm greedy and not ashamed to admit it.It doesn't make sense to me to share a jackpot with several other people when I could possibly have the jackpot to myself.On the other hand,if people want to join a pool and take a portion of the jackpot instead of the whole jacpot,who am I to say they're wrong?What works for some people doesn't always work for others.
I'd be willing to split. The excitement is what it all about to me.. Congrats to the 16 and their families.. What a huge amount of fun money that would be.
I've been asked to join a pool on several occasions and I passed.Its not that I'm against winning,its that I'm against sharing.Its bad enough enough that I'm required to share with the state and federal government.I'm greedy and not ashamed to admit it.It doesn't make sense to me to share a jackpot with several other people when I could possibly have the jackpot to myself.On the other hand,if people want to join a pool and take a portion of the jackpot instead of the whole jacpot,who am I to say they're wrong?What works for some people doesn't always work for others.
I understand what you are writing, but one reason we see so many pools win is that the odds increase quite a bit when 16 or 20 people are buying tickets. If you have enough of your own money (or don't mind blowing it) to buy that many tickets, then maybe a pool isn't for you. I think it's great that all those people won and I agre with tntea it would be very exciting.
However, I also agree that I wouldn't want to split a jackpot 16 ways if I used my own numbers. I've been playing my own numbers for several years and wouldn't want to share them in an office pool. After all, some of those people might be betting for the first time. I also like to play some random numbers or quick picks. However, I assume that people in a pool agree to only split the money from tickets played by the pool, not personal numbers a member bets on her own.
If there is someone here who is a member of a pool and also plays his own numbers or buys extra quick picks, let me know if he feels this would be a conflict.
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Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on Oct 13, 2007
I understand what you are writing, but one reason we see so many pools win is that the odds increase quite a bit when 16 or 20 people are buying tickets. If you have enough of your own money (or don't mind blowing it) to buy that many tickets, then maybe a pool isn't for you. I think it's great that all those people won and I agre with tntea it would be very exciting.
However, I also agree that I wouldn't want to split a jackpot 16 ways if I used my own numbers. I've been playing my own numbers for several years and wouldn't want to share them in an office pool. After all, some of those people might be betting for the first time. I also like to play some random numbers or quick picks. However, I assume that people in a pool agree to only split the money from tickets played by the pool, not personal numbers a member bets on her own.
If there is someone here who is a member of a pool and also plays his own numbers or buys extra quick picks, let me know if he feels this would be a conflict.
We (my wife & I) buy one Megamillions in Illinois on Tuesday & one on Friday (quick picks).We also buy one Powerball ticket on Wednesday & one on Saturday (we've been playing the same numbers for years).My wife also buys one Hot Lotto for each drawing on Wednesday & Saturday (quick pick).It doesn't matter what size the jackpots are,we only buy one ticket per drawing.My wife sometimes kicks in to a pool at work when the jackpot reaches 100 million dollars,but there are only 5 people in the pool.They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers,the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)We haven't hit anything big yet,but we keep hoping.My personal numbers have never come up together in the history of Powerball,all of the numbers have hit before,but never in this combination.My wife thinks we should change numbers but I'm sure if we do,these numbers will come up and then I would be pissed!
Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on Oct 13, 2007
"Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on."
I wouldn't complain. Doesn't sound as if these happy winners are too upset about sharing either.
Congratulations to them.
"Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over."
I bet he's singing God Bless America tonight. This brings tears to my eyes. What a nice story.
Quote: Originally posted by JimmySand9 on Oct 14, 2007
God Bless America? He's in Canada!
Duh!
Thanks for catching that! I read the story but the links to the Canadian Lotto didn't sink in. It's still a nice story. Okay, so maybe he's singing "O, Canada"
(isn't there a Yorkville, IL? Just googled it and there are a lot of Yorkvilles.)
justxploring, I read something a long while back on just that subject! From what I remember, it said, "as long as you bought the pool tickets at one store" and then made your personal purchase/numbers at another store, then there shouldn't be any conflict! But if you were to purchase all tickets at the same store and the others in the pool knew that, then you are bound to have a court battle on your hands if your numbers won! Best thing to do is to buy the pool tickets at one store and then a few hours later buy your personal tickets at the store you always buy your tickets from! Never buy pool tickets from the same store you buy your personal tickets from, "that's a no, no".
Quote: Originally posted by BaristaExpress on Oct 15, 2007
justxploring, I read something a long while back on just that subject! From what I remember, it said, "as long as you bought the pool tickets at one store" and then made your personal purchase/numbers at another store, then there shouldn't be any conflict! But if you were to purchase all tickets at the same store and the others in the pool knew that, then you are bound to have a court battle on your hands if your numbers won! Best thing to do is to buy the pool tickets at one store and then a few hours later buy your personal tickets at the store you always buy your tickets from! Never buy pool tickets from the same store you buy your personal tickets from, "that's a no, no".
I'm not in a pool, but that's a good suggestion. In fact, just to keep them totally separate, I would probably buy them in the next town. It would be nice to join a local pool, although I'm already spending too much right now on my own tickets.
I think if people are litigious they are going to try to sue you anyway.
If there is someone here who is a member of a pool and also plays his own numbers or buys extra quick picks, let me know if he feels this would be a conflict.
i run 3 syndicates,
one my family is in one my buddies are in and one my girlfreind and I ARE IN.
i spose there may be a conflict if someone decides to sue me for a share if I win. as somehow being in a syndicate with me entitles them to shar ein any wins i personally get.
but you cant plan for a*****es, well i kinda did, by booting oout people who made noises or off hand comments i didnt like. or where slow on the payup, one even said " i cant join this 10 weeks can you cover me?"
unfortunalty none have won a jaclkpot. the family ones been running 15 years, the buddies one about 9, asnd started with 7 members but got cut down to 5. and the GF one well a few months.
one guy i booted said " wel if you will ill just sue you"
We (my wife & I) buy one Megamillions in Illinois on Tuesday & one on Friday (quick picks).We also buy one Powerball ticket on Wednesday & one on Saturday (we've been playing the same numbers for years).My wife also buys one Hot Lotto for each drawing on Wednesday & Saturday (quick pick).It doesn't matter what size the jackpots are,we only buy one ticket per drawing.My wife sometimes kicks in to a pool at work when the jackpot reaches 100 million dollars,but there are only 5 people in the pool.They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers,the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)We haven't hit anything big yet,but we keep hoping.My personal numbers have never come up together in the history of Powerball,all of the numbers have hit before,but never in this combination.My wife thinks we should change numbers but I'm sure if we do,these numbers will come up and then I would be pissed!
"They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers, the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)"
You don't need an agreement for that, because nobody is entitled to something that isn't theirs. What you need is a good agreement that covers who is in the pool, how many tickets the pool will buy, and how the tickets will be chosen and purchased. In the event that there is ever a dispute (and if any member of the pool wins you can be pretty sure there will be a dispute) it needs to be completely clear which tickets belong to the pool. An agreement about tickets you bought for yourself will be completely meaningless if members of the pool can convince a jury that the winning ticket belongs to the pool.
As Barista says, personal tickets and pool tickets should be bought at different locations, at the very least. Pool tickets should also be bought all at once, because there will be a record of the sale. If it's a small pool and an individual member chose to buy the same number of tickets for themselves it would be a good idea to break it up into two smaller purchases at different locations. I know a lot of pools prefer quickpicks, but my personal feeling is that a pool should play numbers that they can document ahead of time in the agreement. There is no way to guarantee that there won't be a dispute if a member wins with their own ticket, but the best defense you could hope for would be a plaintiff that can only prove you agreed to share a prize froma set of numbers that aren't on your ticket.
Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 16, 2007
"They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers, the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)"
You don't need an agreement for that, because nobody is entitled to something that isn't theirs. What you need is a good agreement that covers who is in the pool, how many tickets the pool will buy, and how the tickets will be chosen and purchased. In the event that there is ever a dispute (and if any member of the pool wins you can be pretty sure there will be a dispute) it needs to be completely clear which tickets belong to the pool. An agreement about tickets you bought for yourself will be completely meaningless if members of the pool can convince a jury that the winning ticket belongs to the pool.
As Barista says, personal tickets and pool tickets should be bought at different locations, at the very least. Pool tickets should also be bought all at once, because there will be a record of the sale. If it's a small pool and an individual member chose to buy the same number of tickets for themselves it would be a good idea to break it up into two smaller purchases at different locations. I know a lot of pools prefer quickpicks, but my personal feeling is that a pool should play numbers that they can document ahead of time in the agreement. There is no way to guarantee that there won't be a dispute if a member wins with their own ticket, but the best defense you could hope for would be a plaintiff that can only prove you agreed to share a prize froma set of numbers that aren't on your ticket.
with what is said above. But as anyone knows, if you buy tickets for a lottery pool, you better be buying those tickets at a different store at a different time, than your own personal purchase! That way the others in the pool have to answer the question to the lottery office as to where the "winning ticket" was purchased! We have all read here on the LP about the lottery office asking the person who presents the winning ticket to them as to where it was purchased and what date it was purchased! Can we say "Security questioning" to make sure the rightful owner is presenting the winning ticket!
Quote: Originally posted by BaristaExpress on Oct 16, 2007
with what is said above. But as anyone knows, if you buy tickets for a lottery pool, you better be buying those tickets at a different store at a different time, than your own personal purchase! That way the others in the pool have to answer the question to the lottery office as to where the "winning ticket" was purchased! We have all read here on the LP about the lottery office asking the person who presents the winning ticket to them as to where it was purchased and what date it was purchased! Can we say "Security questioning" to make sure the rightful owner is presenting the winning ticket!
I was saying if the personal purchase tickets were the winning ticket and the pool was trying to cash in on their winning ticket! The only way to beat it would be to make your personal purchases at a different store on a differnt day than the lottery pool purchases! That's when the security questioning would come in and work as intended!
Thats the trouble with pools...you have to share the jackpot.
And whats wrong with Sharing?
Something is better than Nothing! They all would have gotten nothing most likely if they did not share! They would not have won if one person had just hiked it down to the store and played, most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket, the reason they have any money now at all, is because they shared and put in the kitty to play! Something smart people do! Not selfish people!
I think I would be very happy to share and have a 1/4 of a million dollars. not bad for a days work I say! Sharing is a very wise way to go!
When you can produce more sharing than you can alone its always better to share.
Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on Oct 13, 2007
"Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on."
I wouldn't complain. Doesn't sound as if these happy winners are too upset about sharing either.
Congratulations to them.
"Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over."
I bet he's singing God Bless America tonight. This brings tears to my eyes. What a nice story.
Won't be singing God Bless America, Lotto 649 is a Canadian Lottery.
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Quote: Originally posted by nanolike on Oct 17, 2007
And whats wrong with Sharing?
Something is better than Nothing! They all would have gotten nothing most likely if they did not share! They would not have won if one person had just hiked it down to the store and played, most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket, the reason they have any money now at all, is because they shared and put in the kitty to play! Something smart people do! Not selfish people!
I think I would be very happy to share and have a 1/4 of a million dollars. not bad for a days work I say! Sharing is a very wise way to go!
When you can produce more sharing than you can alone its always better to share.
Theres nothing wrong with sharing.Now you tell me whats wrong with wanting to win without sharing.
If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner.Saying that "most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket" is pretzel logic.The ticket was purchased and it won,no matter how many were in the pool,a hundred or a thousand or only one,that particular ticket won.The ticket didn't know that the purchaser was in a pool.
Sure,I'd be happy if I won a 1/4 of a million dollars.But I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I won 4 1/2 million and didn't have to share it.I don't really care who else believes that sharing is the way to go.I'm out for myself not the rest of the world.Call me selfish,I don't care.Just don't call me when I hit a jackpot because I won't be sharing then,either!
Theres nothing wrong with sharing.Now you tell me whats wrong with wanting to win without sharing.
If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner.Saying that "most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket" is pretzel logic.The ticket was purchased and it won,no matter how many were in the pool,a hundred or a thousand or only one,that particular ticket won.The ticket didn't know that the purchaser was in a pool.
Sure,I'd be happy if I won a 1/4 of a million dollars.But I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I won 4 1/2 million and didn't have to share it.I don't really care who else believes that sharing is the way to go.I'm out for myself not the rest of the world.Call me selfish,I don't care.Just don't call me when I hit a jackpot because I won't be sharing then,either!
It's not about sharing, it's about odds.
"If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner."
You seem to be completely missing the point of pools. If only one person won, what about all the other people in the pool? If there are 10 people in a pool they're 10 times as likely to win, but they're only playing for 1/10th as much. From a mathematical perspective it's an even trade, and there's no real difference between playing on your own or playing in a pool.
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Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 19, 2007
It's not about sharing, it's about odds.
"If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner."
You seem to be completely missing the point of pools. If only one person won, what about all the other people in the pool? If there are 10 people in a pool they're 10 times as likely to win, but they're only playing for 1/10th as much. From a mathematical perspective it's an even trade, and there's no real difference between playing on your own or playing in a pool.
You seem to be completely missing the point about this thread.Read the first post in the thread... its about sharing,or rather not sharing.Contrary to what you think,every post is NOT about odds.
You seem to be completely missing the point about this thread.Read the first post in the thread... its about sharing,or rather not sharing.Contrary to what you think,every post is NOT about odds.
I wasn't replying to the first post. I was replying to what you said in the post I quoted, and I repeated the specific part I was responding to. I'm sorry if it still wasn't clear enough. You're focusing on keeping it to yourself but ignoring that you have to reduce your chance of winning in order to do it. If you're reducing your chances of winning then it very clearly is about odds.
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Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 22, 2007
I wasn't replying to the first post. I was replying to what you said in the post I quoted, and I repeated the specific part I was responding to. I'm sorry if it still wasn't clear enough. You're focusing on keeping it to yourself but ignoring that you have to reduce your chance of winning in order to do it. If you're reducing your chances of winning then it very clearly is about odds.
Since I have already stated that I NEVER play pools,then my chances of winning have NOT been reduced.Besides the true odds of either of us winning is...slim to none.
Since I have already stated that I NEVER play pools,then my chances of winning have NOT been reduced.Besides the true odds of either of us winning is...slim to none.
You may not think about it, but deciding whether or not to participate in a pool is a decision about how much you're playing for. That and every other decision you make about playing are also decisions about the odds you're playing against. By never playing in a pool you're not reducing any prize won by your ticket, but you are reducing your chances of winning that prize compared to being in a pool. You're also reducing your chances by not buying 1000 tickets, but increasing them by not buying 0, 1 or any amount that's less than what you do buy. As I said before, your chance of winning and how much you would win balance out in a pool, so it's just a matter of personal preference. The same is true with how many tickets you buy, and for which game. You can get similar odds vs prize results by playing a state game instead of being in a pool playing PB or MM. You could choose to only play pick 3, in which case you have decent odds, but you'll have to settle for a small prize, at best
Of course you're 100% right, that no matter which way you go your chances are still pretty slim for any prize that really matters.
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Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 23, 2007
You may not think about it, but deciding whether or not to participate in a pool is a decision about how much you're playing for. That and every other decision you make about playing are also decisions about the odds you're playing against. By never playing in a pool you're not reducing any prize won by your ticket, but you are reducing your chances of winning that prize compared to being in a pool. You're also reducing your chances by not buying 1000 tickets, but increasing them by not buying 0, 1 or any amount that's less than what you do buy. As I said before, your chance of winning and how much you would win balance out in a pool, so it's just a matter of personal preference. The same is true with how many tickets you buy, and for which game. You can get similar odds vs prize results by playing a state game instead of being in a pool playing PB or MM. You could choose to only play pick 3, in which case you have decent odds, but you'll have to settle for a small prize, at best
Of course you're 100% right, that no matter which way you go your chances are still pretty slim for any prize that really matters.
Thats the trouble with pools...you have to share the jackpot.
"Divided 16 ways, it comes to roughly $287,000 apiece. It's a nice chunk of change, but certainly not enough to retire on."
I wouldn't complain. Doesn't sound as if these happy winners are too upset about sharing either.
Congratulations to them.
"Santonur Rashed has something equally important in mind. The native of Bangladesh has been sending money home to his wife. Now he plans to bring her over."
I bet he's singing God Bless America tonight. This brings tears to my eyes. What a nice story.
Here's one thing about playing in a pool and dividing the jackpot up that many ways; all family, friends, and neighbors are going to know is you won the lottery, not how many ways it was split.
(I didn't include co-workers because in this case all the winners were co-workers- but it's probsably a good bet that the ones who go through their winings first will be putting the bite on those who don't blow it all)
But all in all, good for them!
Its not that I'm not happy for the 16 winners,I am.But $287,000 is a long way from 4 1/2 million dollars,which is what one person would have received had he been the only winner.I know I would prefer winning 4 1/2 million dollars instead of $287,000.But thats just me...I'm greedy.
A person knows BEFOREHAND that they will end up splitting it with whoever is in the pool with them, so to them it doesn't matter. If they win, great, and if they don't, oh well. If someone asked me if I wanted to put in $1 towards a pool of tickets, I probably will. I'm not going to say, "Well if we have the winning ticket, that means I have to split it with you people, so I'm not going to". $287,000 is still better NOTHING. I'm sure you wouldn't complain if you won $287,000. I also bet you would feel sick to your stomach if someone asked you to join a pool and you didn't because you didn't want to split it with them, and then they won. That's enough to pay off a mortgage. Most people wish they could own their home outright.
I've been asked to join a pool on several occasions and I passed.Its not that I'm against winning,its that I'm against sharing.Its bad enough enough that I'm required to share with the state and federal government.I'm greedy and not ashamed to admit it.It doesn't make sense to me to share a jackpot with several other people when I could possibly have the jackpot to myself.On the other hand,if people want to join a pool and take a portion of the jackpot instead of the whole jacpot,who am I to say they're wrong?What works for some people doesn't always work for others.
I'd be willing to split. The excitement is what it all about to me.. Congrats to the 16 and their families.. What a huge amount of fun money that would be.
I understand what you are writing, but one reason we see so many pools win is that the odds increase quite a bit when 16 or 20 people are buying tickets. If you have enough of your own money (or don't mind blowing it) to buy that many tickets, then maybe a pool isn't for you. I think it's great that all those people won and I agre with tntea it would be very exciting.
However, I also agree that I wouldn't want to split a jackpot 16 ways if I used my own numbers. I've been playing my own numbers for several years and wouldn't want to share them in an office pool. After all, some of those people might be betting for the first time. I also like to play some random numbers or quick picks. However, I assume that people in a pool agree to only split the money from tickets played by the pool, not personal numbers a member bets on her own.
If there is someone here who is a member of a pool and also plays his own numbers or buys extra quick picks, let me know if he feels this would be a conflict.
We (my wife & I) buy one Megamillions in Illinois on Tuesday & one on Friday (quick picks).We also buy one Powerball ticket on Wednesday & one on Saturday (we've been playing the same numbers for years).My wife also buys one Hot Lotto for each drawing on Wednesday & Saturday (quick pick).It doesn't matter what size the jackpots are,we only buy one ticket per drawing.My wife sometimes kicks in to a pool at work when the jackpot reaches 100 million dollars,but there are only 5 people in the pool.They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers,the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)We haven't hit anything big yet,but we keep hoping.My personal numbers have never come up together in the history of Powerball,all of the numbers have hit before,but never in this combination.My wife thinks we should change numbers but I'm sure if we do,these numbers will come up and then I would be pissed!
God Bless America? He's in Canada!
Duh!
Thanks for catching that! I read the story but the links to the Canadian Lotto didn't sink in. It's still a nice story. Okay, so maybe he's singing "O, Canada"
(isn't there a Yorkville, IL? Just googled it and there are a lot of Yorkvilles.)
Part of something is better than all of nothing ..... any day!
Congrats to every one of them! Hope they do it again!
.......and at minimum wage, I'm sure even that small amount is well appreciated.
I'm going to share this story with some resturant workers that I know.
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justxploring, I read something a long while back on just that subject! From what I remember, it said, "as long as you bought the pool tickets at one store" and then made your personal purchase/numbers at another store, then there shouldn't be any conflict! But if you were to purchase all tickets at the same store and the others in the pool knew that, then you are bound to have a court battle on your hands if your numbers won! Best thing to do is to buy the pool tickets at one store and then a few hours later buy your personal tickets at the store you always buy your tickets from! Never buy pool tickets from the same store you buy your personal tickets from, "that's a no, no".
I'm not in a pool, but that's a good suggestion. In fact, just to keep them totally separate, I would probably buy them in the next town. It would be nice to join a local pool, although I'm already spending too much right now on my own tickets.
I think if people are litigious they are going to try to sue you anyway.
If there is someone here who is a member of a pool and also plays his own numbers or buys extra quick picks, let me know if he feels this would be a conflict.
i run 3 syndicates,
one my family is in one my buddies are in and one my girlfreind and I ARE IN.
i spose there may be a conflict if someone decides to sue me for a share if I win. as somehow being in a syndicate with me entitles them to shar ein any wins i personally get.
but you cant plan for a*****es, well i kinda did, by booting oout people who made noises or off hand comments i didnt like. or where slow on the payup, one even said " i cant join this 10 weeks can you cover me?"
unfortunalty none have won a jaclkpot. the family ones been running 15 years, the buddies one about 9, asnd started with 7 members but got cut down to 5. and the GF one well a few months.
one guy i booted said " wel if you will ill just sue you"
and he wondered why i booted him ?
"They have an agreement that if someone hits with their own numbers, the others can't make a claim on it.(We'll see if they feel the same way if one of them hits.)"
You don't need an agreement for that, because nobody is entitled to something that isn't theirs. What you need is a good agreement that covers who is in the pool, how many tickets the pool will buy, and how the tickets will be chosen and purchased. In the event that there is ever a dispute (and if any member of the pool wins you can be pretty sure there will be a dispute) it needs to be completely clear which tickets belong to the pool. An agreement about tickets you bought for yourself will be completely meaningless if members of the pool can convince a jury that the winning ticket belongs to the pool.
As Barista says, personal tickets and pool tickets should be bought at different locations, at the very least. Pool tickets should also be bought all at once, because there will be a record of the sale. If it's a small pool and an individual member chose to buy the same number of tickets for themselves it would be a good idea to break it up into two smaller purchases at different locations. I know a lot of pools prefer quickpicks, but my personal feeling is that a pool should play numbers that they can document ahead of time in the agreement. There is no way to guarantee that there won't be a dispute if a member wins with their own ticket, but the best defense you could hope for would be a plaintiff that can only prove you agreed to share a prize froma set of numbers that aren't on your ticket.
"What you need is a good agreement ..." True.
What that written agreement does not include, it EXCLUDES.
I was saying if the personal purchase tickets were the winning ticket and the pool was trying to cash in on their winning ticket! The only way to beat it would be to make your personal purchases at a different store on a differnt day than the lottery pool purchases! That's when the security questioning would come in and work as intended!
And whats wrong with Sharing?
Something is better than Nothing! They all would have gotten nothing most likely if they did not share! They would not have won if one person had just hiked it down to the store and played, most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket, the reason they have any money now at all, is because they shared and put in the kitty to play! Something smart people do! Not selfish people!
I think I would be very happy to share and have a 1/4 of a million dollars. not bad for a days work I say! Sharing is a very wise way to go!
When you can produce more sharing than you can alone its always better to share.
Won't be singing God Bless America, Lotto 649 is a Canadian Lottery.
Theres nothing wrong with sharing.Now you tell me whats wrong with wanting to win without sharing.
If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner.Saying that "most likely his ticket would have been a losing ticket" is pretzel logic.The ticket was purchased and it won,no matter how many were in the pool,a hundred or a thousand or only one,that particular ticket won.The ticket didn't know that the purchaser was in a pool.
Sure,I'd be happy if I won a 1/4 of a million dollars.But I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I won 4 1/2 million and didn't have to share it.I don't really care who else believes that sharing is the way to go.I'm out for myself not the rest of the world.Call me selfish,I don't care.Just don't call me when I hit a jackpot because I won't be sharing then,either!
It's not about sharing, it's about odds.
"If only one of the people in the pool bought that ticket he/she would have been the only winner."
You seem to be completely missing the point of pools. If only one person won, what about all the other people in the pool? If there are 10 people in a pool they're 10 times as likely to win, but they're only playing for 1/10th as much. From a mathematical perspective it's an even trade, and there's no real difference between playing on your own or playing in a pool.
You seem to be completely missing the point about this thread.Read the first post in the thread... its about sharing,or rather not sharing.Contrary to what you think,every post is NOT about odds.
I wasn't replying to the first post. I was replying to what you said in the post I quoted, and I repeated the specific part I was responding to. I'm sorry if it still wasn't clear enough. You're focusing on keeping it to yourself but ignoring that you have to reduce your chance of winning in order to do it. If you're reducing your chances of winning then it very clearly is about odds.
Since I have already stated that I NEVER play pools,then my chances of winning have NOT been reduced.Besides the true odds of either of us winning is...slim to none.
You may not think about it, but deciding whether or not to participate in a pool is a decision about how much you're playing for. That and every other decision you make about playing are also decisions about the odds you're playing against. By never playing in a pool you're not reducing any prize won by your ticket, but you are reducing your chances of winning that prize compared to being in a pool. You're also reducing your chances by not buying 1000 tickets, but increasing them by not buying 0, 1 or any amount that's less than what you do buy. As I said before, your chance of winning and how much you would win balance out in a pool, so it's just a matter of personal preference. The same is true with how many tickets you buy, and for which game. You can get similar odds vs prize results by playing a state game instead of being in a pool playing PB or MM. You could choose to only play pick 3, in which case you have decent odds, but you'll have to settle for a small prize, at best
Of course you're 100% right, that no matter which way you go your chances are still pretty slim for any prize that really matters.
Have it your way.I'm getting a headache!