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eddessaknight

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Anyone have or read any of these acclamied but hard to find books on lottery, keno or racing by Robert Serotic; L.S.I. Publication, Inc. ?

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	Lotto Winning Strategies by Robert Serotic List Price: $7.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: Lsi Pub Publication Date: Jun 1992

		The lotto planner +, 1990/91: Resource guide by Robert Serotic Used Price: $0.01 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: L.S.I. Pub Publication Date: 1989

		LOTTO PLANNER by Robert Serotic [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: L.S.I. Publication Date: 1989

		Pick-5 Lotto: How to Play and Win by Robert Serotic List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: Lsi Pub Publication Date: Sep 1989

		Fantasy Five: How to Play and Win by Robert Serotic List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: L. S. I. Publishing, Incorporated Publication Date: Apr 1990

		Lotto 6/54 and Little Lotto 5/35 by Robert Serotic List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: Lsi Pub Publication Date: Sep 1992

		Unlocking the Pennsylvania Lottery by Robert Serotic List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: Lottery Systems Intl Publication Date: Sep 1990

		Unlocking the New York Lottery by Robert Serotic List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: LSI Publications Publication Date: Oct 1988

		Horse Racing-Pick Six and Pick Nine by Robert Serotic , Love List Price: $4.95 [ Read More ] [ Add To Cart ]	Publisher: L. S. I. Publishing, Incorporated Publication Date: Jun 1992

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Dec 3, 2007, 4:41 pm

I have Lotto Planner + and I have the Lotto: How to play and win series - Introduction to system and strategies, For advanced players and For experts. I also have, probably the best book ever made on lotto, The Only Way to Win at Lotto: The most complete book on lotto playing. They are very good for use and reference.

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eddessaknight

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Dec 3, 2007, 8:32 pm

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Dec 3, 2007
I have Lotto Planner + and I have the Lotto: How to play and win series - Introduction to system and strategies, For advanced players and For experts. I also have, probably the best book ever made on lotto, The Only Way to Win at Lotto: The most complete book on lotto playing. They are very good for use and reference.

Hey Jade, thanks for the prompt response.
From the positive feedback I assume you are endorsing these Serotic programs.
Does it follow that while applying these systems that you have achived a predictable outcome overall?
Is "The Only Way To Win at Lottdry" another Setoric pulication?
Without giving away any 'most secret' ingrediants would you kindly share a few generic gems with us?
As the books are almost 100% unavailable, your sharing would be most appreciate on the LB.

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Dec 3, 2007, 11:56 pm

I have most of the Robert Serotic books except for Lotto Winning Strategies which I don't think ever made it onto the market though it was advertised in the back of his earlier books as coming soon and was issued an ISBN number. If anyone knows how to find a copy from a repository or such please let me know the details.

There really are no strategies in any of his other books outside of some simple ideas like playing the numbers from the last game and the numbers on either side of those numbers on a wheel.

His books are entirely made up of wheels and the 3if wheels are split wheels which should be avoided because they make the chance of winning a jackpot virtually impossible.

If you click on the Amazon ad on the left column you can find some of the books used for reasonable prices. The planning book is just a list of 1990 lottery games and their information.

He also published some specific game books with wheels he recommended for those games at the time. I suspect this was just a marketing gimmick.

For Pick-6 wheels the Bluskov book will be more useful.

The Serotic books have a lot of wheels you will never use, but won't hurt you to know about in case someone makes amazing claims for a system using one. The limits of a wheel can be cranked down to next to nothing because the odds of meeting the conditions are equal to winning a lottery.

If you want to fool around with virtually the same stuff without all the pencil and paper number exchange nonsense download the free trial version of Lottery Director it comes with about 900 wheels of all different kinds and the part for using the wheels never expires. There are a lot of Serotic style original wheels there to play with. http://www.ldir.com/

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Dec 4, 2007, 2:25 am

I can't post anything here, even though LSI Research Publishing inc. is defunct, Robert Serotic still holds the copyright and posting anything here would violate that copyright.

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Dec 4, 2007, 1:14 pm

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Dec 4, 2007
I can't post anything here, even though LSI Research Publishing inc. is defunct, Robert Serotic still holds the copyright and posting anything here would violate that copyright.

You just have to use good judgement about what and how much you post from copyrighted material like what a book reviewer would do. You can describe the work in general terms including summing up any of his suggested methods in a line or two. For example, the Prof. Jones book(s) is all about frequency and positional wheeling. Now if I did this for an ebay system it would ruin the guy's business, but a book isn't supposed to be secret you can get a free look at the library. That's my opinion, who knows I could be right. BobP
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Dec 4, 2007, 5:11 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Dec 4, 2007
You just have to use good judgement about what and how much you post from copyrighted material like what a book reviewer would do. You can describe the work in general terms including summing up any of his suggested methods in a line or two. For example, the Prof. Jones book(s) is all about frequency and positional wheeling. Now if I did this for an ebay system it would ruin the guy's business, but a book isn't supposed to be secret you can get a free look at the library. That's my opinion, who knows I could be right. BobP

@BobP,
Many thanks for the time and effort for thoughtfully responding to the LB regarding the Serotic materials. Your replies are informative, rational and useful, all without stepping on anyone toes.
Most members of gaming boards summarize with personal commentary and do not copy/paste materials directly into their posts. There is, of course, always the possibility of some gaming posters having a vested interest in the programs and might boast but do not actually contribute anything or meaningful on the board the discussion at hand (not intended to be rude to anyone, just speaking from my experience on many internet gambling forums over 10 years).
Bob, also appreciateare your Prof Jones recommendation.
Are you familiar with:
"Horse Racing Pick Six and Pick Nine"
Jadelottery, BobP, et al- again I say without prying into the tomb of Ancient Treasure secrets and bringing the curse of the mummy upon any of our heads have you found by your own 'hands on ' experience, these materials to be viable (profitable)
Grateful for all relevant and earnest responses.
Regards,
EddessaKnight
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Dec 4, 2007, 5:26 pm

Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Dec 4, 2007
@BobP,
Many thanks for the time and effort for thoughtfully responding to the LB regarding the Serotic materials. Your replies are informative, rational and useful, all without stepping on anyone toes.
Most members of gaming boards summarize with personal commentary and do not copy/paste materials directly into their posts. There is, of course, always the possibility of some gaming posters having a vested interest in the programs and might boast but do not actually contribute anything or meaningful on the board the discussion at hand (not intended to be rude to anyone, just speaking from my experience on many internet gambling forums over 10 years).
Bob, also appreciateare your Prof Jones recommendation.
Are you familiar with:
"Horse Racing Pick Six and Pick Nine"
Jadelottery, BobP, et al- again I say without prying into the tomb of Ancient Treasure secrets and bringing the curse of the mummy upon any of our heads have you found by your own 'hands on ' experience, these materials to be viable (profitable)
Grateful for all relevant and earnest responses.
Regards,
EddessaKnight

Use and reference, these are a good source for reference, however, when it comes to use, the information is only as good as the person using it. This means there is more to the contents than just using it. Analysis and knowing how and when to play, how much to play, what numbers to work with, how long to play the wheel... these all factor in. The material is sound and I have benefited from it not just monetarily, but also in my own analysis and wheel development.
It's like this, if you've played blackjack, you're probably aware there a some strategies to playing the game that can give you an advantage. However, the implementation of those strategies is greatly dependant on the person's ability to do so. The same is true for lottery related systems and strategies. Not only do you need to know the strategy, you need the skills personally to implement them.

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Stack47

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Dec 4, 2007, 5:47 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Dec 4, 2007
You just have to use good judgement about what and how much you post from copyrighted material like what a book reviewer would do. You can describe the work in general terms including summing up any of his suggested methods in a line or two. For example, the Prof. Jones book(s) is all about frequency and positional wheeling. Now if I did this for an ebay system it would ruin the guy's business, but a book isn't supposed to be secret you can get a free look at the library. That's my opinion, who knows I could be right. BobP

I've always wondered how copyrights apply with things like cook books and lottery systems and strategies. Last month we were discussing a $27 system that is almost exactly the same pick-3 strategy I used over 25 years ago. Had I copied and pasted that system on LP, it's possible the owner could sue me for damages because it has a copywrite. Is there a law that prevents me from discussing something I did years before that e-book was copywritten?
Does the author own the apple pie recipe or lottery playing strategy by getting a copywrite?
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On page 84 of LOTTO How To Play And Win Introduction to Systems and strategies he has two horse wheels one where you play two horses per race for six races and the other where you play three horses in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd races and two horses in the 4th, 5th and 6th race. 12 six number bets for the first system, guess that's 72 bets, 24 six number bets for the second system. These are just standard group wheels offered for horse betting across multiple races. You can find this book pretty easy on amazon used see left column ad. You can make group wheels with Advanced Lotto Tool if you have a good understanding of what wheels are about. My Dad was the horse player. BobP
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Dec 5, 2007, 3:06 am

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Dec 3, 2007
I have Lotto Planner + and I have the Lotto: How to play and win series - Introduction to system and strategies, For advanced players and For experts. I also have, probably the best book ever made on lotto, The Only Way to Win at Lotto: The most complete book on lotto playing. They are very good for use and reference.

I was going to purchase that book (The only way to win at lotto) but when i tried to purchase it it told me that that book they didn't have copies in the USA...

"More important than winning the states' lotteries is the movie "Red Planet"....."
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Dec 5, 2007, 3:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by pumpi76 on Dec 5, 2007
I was going to purchase that book (The only way to win at lotto) but when i tried to purchase it it told me that that book they didn't have copies in the USA...

"More important than winning the states' lotteries is the movie "Red Planet"....."

If I had permission from the Author, I'd post the book somewhere, but I don't.

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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Dec 4, 2007
I've always wondered how copyrights apply with things like cook books and lottery systems and strategies. Last month we were discussing a $27 system that is almost exactly the same pick-3 strategy I used over 25 years ago. Had I copied and pasted that system on LP, it's possible the owner could sue me for damages because it has a copywrite. Is there a law that prevents me from discussing something I did years before that e-book was copywritten?
Does the author own the apple pie recipe or lottery playing strategy by getting a copywrite?

There are web sites that cover copyright on the internet much better then I ever could. We are under an obligation to protect the owner of LP when we post since he lets us post without seeing it first. As you said, it is "ALMOST" exactly the same. I was working with a one column version of the Ken Silver Honest Lotto System long before I ever heard of him, but I wouldn't post his system here for multiple reasons. Sure the system we were discussing was frequency and a wheel the difference between that which we all know and giving away the system is the range of frequency, how the numbers are sorted, what to do in case of ties, how long the bets are played and the author's choice of wheel and supplemental advice. Is it cheating people because an expert would find it unexceptional or sound information for newbies? I tested it and it did produce wins which is more then I've seen testing some lottery software. Just as a book reviewer might give the basic outline of the story and some quotes I'm pretty sure we can sum up a system in a line or two and still allow the author to sell the system by not giving away the specifics provided we point out there is more to it then that. Of course the trick with these systems is they try not to give you a clue what the system is so you will buy just to see what it is. Like when we were kids and some kid was charging 25 cents to see the thing in the box. If you don't pay you don't get to see.

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Dec 5, 2007, 3:47 am

here's the covers, no harm in posting them.

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OH, and by the way... check out those old $20.00 dollar bills.
Wow, that takes me way back to the 1900's.

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