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lex num combination 
101,02,03,04,05:36
376,99232,33,34,35,36:36
 -- --
101,02,03,04,05:39
376,99208,09,18,24,25:39
575,75735,36,37,38,39:39

Most of us would call the 'lex' the "combination number".

I'm wondering if anyone has noticed their p5 game tending to cluster somewhat anywhere?  Or are the combos spread out evenly? Not looking for anything spectacular, maybe 15~20% of the combos falling in a 10% range, or 40% falling in a certain third of the range. Maybe even a fraction that is mostly "unused". 

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    I'm in conneticut, where it's 1-35, I'm noticing that the cluster is odd and that the difference between the numbers is about 2, 6, or 8. Two numbers with a difference of four not a likely happening. I'm on the 7 combo matrix now to see how perhaps on a standard basis a lower prize, could be gained consistently, which will involve clustering to some degree. Right now cluster gambling looks like this

    7,8,/12-15/22,23,26/32,33

    The same perhaps type of cluster only appears with the twenties: 24,25,27. 26,28 has been the repetitive cluster with a combo of 4 even numbers.

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      What I'm referring to is the clustering of the lex values, not groups of 2 or 3 numbersSmiley.

      Example: In a 5/39 game, there are 575,757 total combos. These can be represented as combo 1 through combo 575,757. These can be divided into 9 groups of 57,575 combos and 1 group of 57,582 combos.

      grouplex vals start comboend combo
       1 1 ~ 57,575
      01,02,03,04,05:3901,13,19,22,25:39
       2 57576 ~ 115150
      01,13,19,22,26:3902,10,21,22,32:39
      ...  ... ...... 
       10 518176 ~ 575,757
      14,20,23,33,39:3935,36,37,38,39:39

      What I'm trying to find out is if, in the draw history, any of those groups contain significantly more or less than 10% of the drawn numbers. It doesn't have to be a 5/39, I'm just using that as an example. Cool

       


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        Is there anyone out there who has a system as to what number relates to the other? for example does the following numbers

        1= either 9-3-7-5

        2 = 4, 6, 8 or 0

        3= 1-7-5-9

        In other words 908 do we have 2 evens and 1 odd?

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          What I'm referring to is the clustering of the lex values, not groups of 2 or 3 numbersSmiley.

          Example: In a 5/39 game, there are 575,757 total combos. These can be represented as combo 1 through combo 575,757. These can be divided into 9 groups of 57,575 combos and 1 group of 57,582 combos.

          grouplex vals start comboend combo
           1 1 ~ 57,575
          01,02,03,04,05:3901,13,19,22,25:39
           2 57576 ~ 115150
          01,13,19,22,26:3902,10,21,22,32:39
          ...  ... ...... 
           10 518176 ~ 575,757
          14,20,23,33,39:3935,36,37,38,39:39

          What I'm trying to find out is if, in the draw history, any of those groups contain significantly more or less than 10% of the drawn numbers. It doesn't have to be a 5/39, I'm just using that as an example. Cool

           


          Since you know the the start and end combo of each group, all you have to do is sort the combinations in the lottery file from lowest to highest and count the combos in each group.  If you don't have a sort routine in your lottery program and your lottery files have random access records then you can use the sort command in the command window.

          I sorted the 1050 combos in Ohio Rolling Cash5 and the results were:

          #1-#97 combos were between 01 02 03 04 05 and 01 13 19 22 25 (the lowest was 01 02 03 29 39)
           
          #98-#187 combos were between 01 13 19 22 26 and 02 10 21 22 32

          #188-........... 

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            Heh, yeah, I know it can be done, but I just gave it any serious consideration yesterday.Cool

            I figured I'd see if anyone else had tried it, and found anything.

            From your 1,050 results, was it fairly evenly spaced?

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              Heh, yeah, I know it can be done, but I just gave it any serious consideration yesterday.Cool

              I figured I'd see if anyone else had tried it, and found anything.

              From your 1,050 results, was it fairly evenly spaced?

              I just considered it for about 10 minutes after reading your post since it wasn't that hard to check.  Depends on what you consider fairly even, high and low varied by about 40 combinations.  Since less than 0.2% of the possible combinations were included, it hard to draw any conclusions.  Using an old Buckeye5(5/37) with almost 5,000 drawings might yield different conclusions.

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                It would take a few hundred years for a good chunk of the combos to fall. I'm in a bit more hurry than that.Hyper

                I just checked 1,096 combos on our 5/36. The difference between the largest group and the smallest group was 48 combos. A not-so-whopping 4.38% differencePonder, but it tells me that these p-5 games aren't so different even if the matrix size changes. Looks like 'old' data and theories need not be tossed after a matrix change.

                Folks may want to dig up their pre-matrix change stuff for PB & MM.
                Not what I set out to prove, but useful.Type

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                  I recently combined my old BigGame and MegaMillions files and the only value I could find in the combined file was no combinations of five had ever repeated so I now have 1109 combinations of five to avoid. 

                  The same thing probably would be true if I added all the PowerBall past results to the same file.

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                    lex num combination 
                    101,02,03,04,05:36
                    376,99232,33,34,35,36:36
                     -- --
                    101,02,03,04,05:39
                    376,99208,09,18,24,25:39
                    575,75735,36,37,38,39:39

                    Most of us would call the 'lex' the "combination number".

                    I'm wondering if anyone has noticed their p5 game tending to cluster somewhat anywhere?  Or are the combos spread out evenly? Not looking for anything spectacular, maybe 15~20% of the combos falling in a 10% range, or 40% falling in a certain third of the range. Maybe even a fraction that is mostly "unused". 

                    the drawings of the games are random ..yea they do cluster sometime somewhere but so what ...and many times people tend to notice patterns that they want to see... dont want to knock your method or your way of thinking but it will only work once in weeks apart...there are no fancy ways about lotto "lex number, magic number all that crap" ..i think one should keep it simple whatever method it is  ...I pick my numbers based on observations and intuitions... many times i'm wrong (as  i should be based on %)... sometimes i come really close...i mean good luck everyone whatever method you like to use but dont get too fancy on this ...keep it relatively simple man...

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                      What I'm referring to is the clustering of the lex values, not groups of 2 or 3 numbersSmiley.

                      Example: In a 5/39 game, there are 575,757 total combos. These can be represented as combo 1 through combo 575,757. These can be divided into 9 groups of 57,575 combos and 1 group of 57,582 combos.

                      grouplex vals start comboend combo
                       1 1 ~ 57,575
                      01,02,03,04,05:3901,13,19,22,25:39
                       2 57576 ~ 115150
                      01,13,19,22,26:3902,10,21,22,32:39
                      ...  ... ...... 
                       10 518176 ~ 575,757
                      14,20,23,33,39:3935,36,37,38,39:39

                      What I'm trying to find out is if, in the draw history, any of those groups contain significantly more or less than 10% of the drawn numbers. It doesn't have to be a 5/39, I'm just using that as an example. Cool

                       


                      Interesting, so my answer should be yes, that in connecticut the lex value that stands for the group which may contain 7 or 8, as its lowest combination value would be the most repetitive.

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                        Connecticut (CT) Cash 5 
                        Game Type: 5/35 (324,632 combos)

                         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                        grouplex startlex endcomb startcomb endmembers
                        11    32,463 01 02 03 04 0501 10 15 19 3232463
                        232,464    64,926 01 10 15 19 3302 07 12 19 3132463
                        364,927    97,389 02 07 12 19 3203 06 11 21 3432463
                        497,390  129,852 03 06 11 21 3504 06 16 18 2232463
                        5129,853  162,315 04 06 16 18 2305 08 11 13 2932463
                        6162,316  194,778 05 08 11 13 3006 11 20 29 3232463
                        7194,779  227,241 06 11 20 29 3308 09 13 16 3532463
                        8227,242  259,704 08 09 13 17 1810 11 15 27 3132463
                        9259,705  292,167 10 11 15 27 3213 14 25 28 3032463
                        10292,168  324,632 13 14 25 28 3131 32 33 34 3532465

                        Each lex value represents a unique combination. I'm just posting the 10% endpoints. 

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                          (07,08,09,10,11:35) = lex val 205,878

                          (08,32,33,34,35:35) = lex val 243,902

                          That block contains 38,025 combos, ~11.7% of the total 324,632. Cool

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                            I look at total combinations, which can be expressed as a part of lex.

                            For the 5/39-

                            The largest amount of combinations contain the number 1.

                            The second largest amount of cominations contain the number 2, and so on, leading to:

                            The least amount of combinations contain the number 39.

                            The combinations with low leading numbers appear to have odds favoring the lottery (such as 1-12-22-31-38).

                            The combinations with high leading numbers appear to favor the player (such as 35-36-37-38-39).

                             

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                              Disapprove

                              In the total combination set, no number appears more or less often than any other.

                              In a 39choose5 ball game, each number appears in exactly 73,815 combinations.

                              Stated another way: Pick any number X.

                              Out of 575,757 possible combinations: 73,815 combos will contain number X. 501,942 combos will not contain number X. 

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