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Why do some people feel computerized drawings are not random?

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Posted: February 15, 2008, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

That's amazing Todd. It's Japanese to me...lol

The only program I ever copied was a few games from a computer magazine back in 1988 on my father's commodore 128...lol

Go to, then next, go to step 3, repeat line 4...and so on...lol

They never did work right after I spent an hour writing the program. Either there was a mistake in there, or my dad would shut the computer off because he insisted I mow the lawn, Man was I infuriated. I told him that I just spent over an hour writing this program, and you just erased it....lol Mad

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    That's amazing Todd. It's Japanese to me...lol

    The only program I ever copied was a few games from a computer magazine back in 1988 on my father's commodore 128...lol

    Go to, then next, go to step 3, repeat line 4...and so on...lol

    They never did work right after I spent an hour writing the program. Either there was a mistake in there, or my dad would shut the computer off because he insisted I mow the lawn, Man was I infuriated. I told him that I just spent over an hour writing this program, and you just erased it....lol Mad

    I always love talking about Commodore computers, because my first computers -- used and owned -- were Commodores.  The first PC I ever used was a Commodore PET (2001 series), and the first one I ever owned was a VIC-20.  I also later owned a C-64 and a C-128.  Those were fabulous computers!

     

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      Posted: February 16, 2008, 1:55 am - IP Logged

      I always love talking about Commodore computers, because my first computers -- used and owned -- were Commodores.  The first PC I ever used was a Commodore PET (2001 series), and the first one I ever owned was a VIC-20.  I also later owned a C-64 and a C-128.  Those were fabulous computers!

      Load "*" , 8, 1 [Return]  The first lotto program I ever bought was Hooked On Lottery for the Commodore C-64 only to find loading it erased the help files to make room for draw history. I was supposed to print them first.  I had a poster made of silver mylar with William Shatner adertising the 64 on it.  Good times. BobP

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        Posted: February 17, 2008, 12:07 am - IP Logged

        Well, I think computers can generate numbers to the point where the numbers chosen at random would be considered just as good as numbers in say a ball drawing from the perspective of human observation. It all depends on how you determine the seed to be used and how often you reeinitialize the RNG with a different seed.

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          Posted: February 17, 2008, 1:15 pm - IP Logged

          I am new to this board and have been reading some old threads.  I can make a random number generator on my excel spreadsheet that I am 99% certain is random.  Why can't a person with basic programming skills make a random number generator that does as is programmed?  I don't understand why people say that these computerized generators have some sort of memory.  What does that exactly mean?

           

          Also, how do I do a search of these forums?  I don't see a search button.

          Whenever there is a choice of outcomes, there will also be a benefit to someone of having one outcome versus another.
          When the mechanism of making that choice is obscured then it becomes possible to manipulate the final result.
          Computers make manipulating the final result easy whether they are inside a lottery machine or a voting machine.

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            Posted: February 17, 2008, 1:49 pm - IP Logged

            Whenever there is a choice of outcomes, there will also be a benefit to someone of having one outcome versus another.
            When the mechanism of making that choice is obscured then it becomes possible to manipulate the final result.
            Computers make manipulating the final result easy whether they are inside a lottery machine or a voting machine.

            THats excatly the point...You said it best..OBSCURED (RNG) vs VISUAL (BALLS)