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Have an Idea for a "system" for pick 5

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Posted: March 12, 2008, 3:22 am - IP Logged

I know I'm not the brightest bulb at LP but here it goes. Okay I think most of us know about the "Zero" factor. 0 is an unusal number because it tends to like 3 6 9 mulitple of three's . So my idea is to have these number 3,6,9,10,13,16,19,20,23,26,29,30,33,36,39,40 etc.

My take 5 is a 5/22 game.  So will only use 3,6,9,10,13,16,19 and 20. This will be my "must" play numbers. Pogo (thanks Pogo) did an excel program that allows me to see which numbers have been drawn together the most based on the numbers of draws. So in my game 14 and 18 have been drawn the most so I add this into the mix but remember the main thing is the zero factor.  Of course you will add your hot or cold numbers but the zero factor number should stay constant. I have to find which wheel will cover the numbers with the most frequency.

These were the last 12 draws. Now I know it's a ruff idea but I just wanted to share it. I'm gonna look for a wheeling system that's not too expensive and try it (without playing for real). I have GH take software. Can someone try it in there state. Maybe backtest it.

 

0306111617
0714151819
0813141921
0106091014
0105060821
0305071118
0708091013
0408121518
0203151819
0103041318
0609141820
0204101319
 
    
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Jackpot,taking a look at my CA.Fantasy 5 numbers, it doesn't seem like it follows this pattern. With a game field as small as 22 you may have more luck with this but with field numbers of 39 and above it may be more difficult.

     

    Try my shortened version of the strings and see if any of these are coming close.

     

     

    6 7 8 9 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

    4 5 6 7 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

    7 8 9 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

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      I put your picks in a 3if4 wheel, 37 games in GH's wheel 5 software.  It generated what would have been (2) 3's for tonight draw in NJ: 13-19-32-33-36, and did about the same (lots of 3's) here and there in the past 100 draws.  Half of the #'s in your 16 # string are some of the all-time hotties in NJ's Cash 5 game, so probably a wheel mixed with some of their favorite partners would generate better results.  I'll have to try that out and let you know what happens.  I find I get better results with strings of no more than 15 #'s and a 3if3 wheel.

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        Jackpot,taking a look at my CA.Fantasy 5 numbers, it doesn't seem like it follows this pattern. With a game field as small as 22 you may have more luck with this but with field numbers of 39 and above it may be more difficult.

         

        Try my shortened version of the strings and see if any of these are coming close.

         

         

        6 7 8 9 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

        4 5 6 7 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

        7 8 9 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

        Lottolaughs, I looked at your formula's at the site you gave me and it's not a bad idea though it has alot of numbers. I'm gonna look at the CA fantasy 5 and see if I see anything there. The numbers I gave 3 6 9 10 and 13 16 19 20 are the constant but even some of these can be left out if let's say some of the number in these group came out two or three days in a row unless it's a "hot" number. Last night's 5/22 was 2,6,10,19,22.   so the 6, 10, 19 was there, that's three numbers. The night before numbers were  2, 4, 10, 19, 22 there's 2 numbers from the group 10 and 19. Since 10 and 19 came out two days in a row I would'nt play the 10 and 19 and just play 3 6 9 13 16 19 20 and add my hot or cold or my "gut feeling numbers".  Remember the reason I still to these string is because of the "zero factor". I think the key is getting a good wheel. I think a wheel with 3 power numbers risky but probably would give you a higher chance at a jackpot granted you get all three power numbers. Pogo wrote an excellent excel program which tells you how many times x pair came out with x number. I think that grouping the best pairs is the biggest key. Alot of time numbers come in sequence such as 6,7  ,  8,9 10,11 etc.. It's that one up one down theory, the zero theory put together. Until I hit a jackpot I know it's all talk and theory but I will keep on trying. Thanks for sharing your ideas lottolaughs, I really want all of us to hit a jackpot soon even if it's a small one.

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          I put your picks in a 3if4 wheel, 37 games in GH's wheel 5 software.  It generated what would have been (2) 3's for tonight draw in NJ: 13-19-32-33-36, and did about the same (lots of 3's) here and there in the past 100 draws.  Half of the #'s in your 16 # string are some of the all-time hotties in NJ's Cash 5 game, so probably a wheel mixed with some of their favorite partners would generate better results.  I'll have to try that out and let you know what happens.  I find I get better results with strings of no more than 15 #'s and a 3if3 wheel.

          As I wrote to Lottolaughs, the strings of numbers comes from the zero factor I read about for the pick 3 and pick 4. I read it before several posts about the zero theory. I think it was WIND that started it, anyway, it's a fact that zero leads to 3 6 9. Maybe it's the nature of zero. So I said to myself why not continue with 13,16,19,20 etc.  These strings are the main component but of course you have to use which pairs are the best based on hot, cold and "gut feeling".  Do you use a "power number" system?  Today I'm gonna use sytem "540" It's a 13 numbers, three Power Numbers 5 lines.

          3-14-16-20-22

          6-7-16-20-22

          09-11-16-20-22

          12-13-16-20-22

          16-18-19-20-22

          I'm on a budget so 5 lines is my limit. I want to focus my energy. I might play 10 lines if I have a strong hunch. In this string I didn't play the 10 and 19 because 10 and 19 came out two consecutives night so I'm hoping 10 and 19 won't come out tonight. Let's see what happens. I want to thank you for giving me your thoughts on this.

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            Jackpot,taking a look at my CA.Fantasy 5 numbers, it doesn't seem like it follows this pattern. With a game field as small as 22 you may have more luck with this but with field numbers of 39 and above it may be more difficult.

             

            Try my shortened version of the strings and see if any of these are coming close.

             

             

            6 7 8 9 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

            4 5 6 7 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

            7 8 9 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

            06 03 02 18 29

            39 25 24 35 10

            14 26 32 25 20

            27 24 16 21 17

            17 07 21 26 03

            33 24 10 31 15

            06 27 21 29 32

            21 01 38 36 30

            03 33 11 15 02

            19 27 39 12 15

            36 24 31 23 22

            16 15 39 21 24

            Okay, I only took the last 12 draws but I see that if you DON'T include one of these number 3,6,9,10,13,16,19,20,21,23,26,29,30,33,36,39 you would NOT have won the jackpot. 6 and 29 were the last drawn of this string right? Now since you have a 39 game numbers don't repeat as much as mine.  I also notice that let's say 6 and 29 already came out of this string of 16 number I wouldn't include it in the next game unless the number is "hot" or it's a number that you know likes to repeat. That leave you with 14 numbers total. You can also exclude maybe the 10,20,30's if they have already been drawn recently so that leave you with 11 numbers. Now use your Hot or overdue and your "gut feeling".

            Okay, this is what I would play today in CA. This is GH System 54017-3 Win 4 with 4 right. This has 3 PN. This is a 7 line game.

             1-9-11-19-33

             1-13-14-19-33

             1-16-17-19-33

             1-19-23-24-33

             1-19-26-27-33

             1-19-30-31-33

             1-19-33-36-39

            As you can see I've excluded 3,6,10,20,21. Hopefully these won't show up. Playing a system with Power Numbers take a lot of faith. I've ask Pogo if he can make a pair excel program for other members and maybe he can make one for CA and NY since I think they both are 5/39 games. Any ho, Good Luck!

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              06 03 02 18 29

              39 25 24 35 10

              14 26 32 25 20

              27 24 16 21 17

              17 07 21 26 03

              33 24 10 31 15

              06 27 21 29 32

              21 01 38 36 30

              03 33 11 15 02

              19 27 39 12 15

              36 24 31 23 22

              16 15 39 21 24

              Okay, I only took the last 12 draws but I see that if you DON'T include one of these number 3,6,9,10,13,16,19,20,21,23,26,29,30,33,36,39 you would NOT have won the jackpot. 6 and 29 were the last drawn of this string right? Now since you have a 39 game numbers don't repeat as much as mine.  I also notice that let's say 6 and 29 already came out of this string of 16 number I wouldn't include it in the next game unless the number is "hot" or it's a number that you know likes to repeat. That leave you with 14 numbers total. You can also exclude maybe the 10,20,30's if they have already been drawn recently so that leave you with 11 numbers. Now use your Hot or overdue and your "gut feeling".

              Okay, this is what I would play today in CA. This is GH System 54017-3 Win 4 with 4 right. This has 3 PN. This is a 7 line game.

               1-9-11-19-33

               1-13-14-19-33

               1-16-17-19-33

               1-19-23-24-33

               1-19-26-27-33

               1-19-30-31-33

               1-19-33-36-39

              As you can see I've excluded 3,6,10,20,21. Hopefully these won't show up. Playing a system with Power Numbers take a lot of faith. I've ask Pogo if he can make a pair excel program for other members and maybe he can make one for CA and NY since I think they both are 5/39 games. Any ho, Good Luck!

              As I'm trying to get a system going, I realize that there is another set of numbers. Call it a subset. All numbers that equal 3,6,9,10 so this would add to the set I gave earlier. So in my game that would 12,21,24,15 and 18. Each of these numbers equal one of the primary sets.

              So for CA it woul be  12,21,24,15,18,27,28 and 37.

              If you look at your previous draws you will fine 5 0f 5 all equaling multiples of 3.

              06 03 02 18 29        here you have 4

              39 25 24 35 10        here you have 4

              14 26 32 25 20        here you have 3

              27 24 16 21 17        here you have 5

              17 07 21 26 03         here you have 4

              33 24 10 31 15        here you have 4

              06 27 21 29 32        here you have 4

              21 01 38 36 30        here you have 3

              03 33 11 15 02        here you have 3

              19 27 39 12 15        here you have 5

              36 24 31 23 22        here you have 3

              16 15 39 21 24        here you have 5

              Check it out! Let me know what you think.

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                As I'm trying to get a system going, I realize that there is another set of numbers. Call it a subset. All numbers that equal 3,6,9,10 so this would add to the set I gave earlier. So in my game that would 12,21,24,15 and 18. Each of these numbers equal one of the primary sets.

                So for CA it woul be  12,21,24,15,18,27,28 and 37.

                If you look at your previous draws you will fine 5 0f 5 all equaling multiples of 3.

                06 03 02 18 29        here you have 4

                39 25 24 35 10        here you have 4

                14 26 32 25 20        here you have 3

                27 24 16 21 17        here you have 5

                17 07 21 26 03         here you have 4

                33 24 10 31 15        here you have 4

                06 27 21 29 32        here you have 4

                21 01 38 36 30        here you have 3

                03 33 11 15 02        here you have 3

                19 27 39 12 15        here you have 5

                36 24 31 23 22        here you have 3

                16 15 39 21 24        here you have 5

                Check it out! Let me know what you think.

                Here's another example using Georgia Fantasy 5

                 

                Wed, Mar 12, 200807-18-19-36-37
                Tue, Mar 11, 200823-25-29-32-37
                Mon, Mar 10, 200808-18-19-29-37
                Sun, Mar 9, 200807-09-31-33-34
                Sat, Mar 8, 200802-03-04-21-39
                Fri, Mar 7, 200813-15-19-21-39
                Thu, Mar 6, 200804-11-30-33-36
                Wed, Mar 5, 200810-17-23-24-29
                Tue, Mar 4, 200801-06-07-24-39
                Mon, Mar 3, 200803-05-12-21-33

                 

                The red numbers are the primary set and the yellow are the subnumbers. Only Mar. 7 has 5 numbers. Now let's try NJ.

                 

                Wed, Mar 12, 200813-19-32-33-36
                Tue, Mar 11, 200807-09-18-22-34
                Mon, Mar 10, 200803-16-24-28-39
                Sun, Mar 9, 200806-07-14-32-39
                Sat, Mar 8, 200803-18-19-27-28
                Fri, Mar 7, 200819-22-24-34-35
                Thu, Mar 6, 200815-29-32-33-35
                Wed, Mar 5, 200811-13-15-19-36
                Tue, Mar 4, 200806-09-11-26-30
                Mon, Mar 3, 200801-20-32-35-36

                 

                Here you have Mar 10th and 8th with 5 0f 5. The number 28 is part of the set because 2+8= 10 which is part of the Primary set.

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                  As I wrote to Lottolaughs, the strings of numbers comes from the zero factor I read about for the pick 3 and pick 4. I read it before several posts about the zero theory. I think it was WIND that started it, anyway, it's a fact that zero leads to 3 6 9. Maybe it's the nature of zero. So I said to myself why not continue with 13,16,19,20 etc.  These strings are the main component but of course you have to use which pairs are the best based on hot, cold and "gut feeling".  Do you use a "power number" system?  Today I'm gonna use sytem "540" It's a 13 numbers, three Power Numbers 5 lines.

                  3-14-16-20-22

                  6-7-16-20-22

                  09-11-16-20-22

                  12-13-16-20-22

                  16-18-19-20-22

                  I'm on a budget so 5 lines is my limit. I want to focus my energy. I might play 10 lines if I have a strong hunch. In this string I didn't play the 10 and 19 because 10 and 19 came out two consecutives night so I'm hoping 10 and 19 won't come out tonight. Let's see what happens. I want to thank you for giving me your thoughts on this.

                  Well, I only got 3 numbers (5 yuan which is about  .60 cents). Here 3 numbers pays 5 Yuan and 4 pays 50 yuan. Each game is 2 yuan. The jackpot depends on how many people hit so tonight 10 people each won 17,800 Yuan not dollars. It's not alot in the USA but here it's a nice amount of money. Tonight drawing was 4,11,20,21,22. Playing Power numbers is very risky because if you don't have them your chances of getting 5 0f 5 is almost impossible. Only the 20 and 21 came from the primary set.

                  For tomorrow I'm gonna use GH system  54015-3  Win 4 of 4. This has 3 PN and 6 lines.

                  03-05-09-12-15

                  06-07-09-12-15

                  09-10-11-12-15

                  09-12-13-14-15

                  09-12-15-16-17

                  09-12-15-18-19

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                    Well, I only got 3 numbers (5 yuan which is about  .60 cents). Here 3 numbers pays 5 Yuan and 4 pays 50 yuan. Each game is 2 yuan. The jackpot depends on how many people hit so tonight 10 people each won 17,800 Yuan not dollars. It's not alot in the USA but here it's a nice amount of money. Tonight drawing was 4,11,20,21,22. Playing Power numbers is very risky because if you don't have them your chances of getting 5 0f 5 is almost impossible. Only the 20 and 21 came from the primary set.

                    For tomorrow I'm gonna use GH system  54015-3  Win 4 of 4. This has 3 PN and 6 lines.

                    03-05-09-12-15

                    06-07-09-12-15

                    09-10-11-12-15

                    09-12-13-14-15

                    09-12-15-16-17

                    09-12-15-18-19

                    I know what you mean about using power numbers, but I feel you stand a much better shot at getting all five with at least one power # as opposed to none at all.  And I definitely like the 3-power # wheels.  It's just that you want to do it with such a small amount of games, which will make hitting all that much harder.  I do see that the #'s repeat a lot in your game, so you also have to be willing to always have repeaters in your picks.  And also that the repeaters come back with adjacent numbers.  It may be a good idea to make a wheel only using a couple of what you think will be repeaters and their adjacents, separate from your original strategy.  That used to be my downfall, not putting enough back in play, and sure enough as if like clockwork whenever I didn't put them in 1-2 of the #'s would be a repeat from the previous draw.  Now instead of depending on just one wheel to do the job, I will play at least 3 (especially if the jackpot has rolled over and starts looking real good!)

                    Last night I played a wheel (53019-1) with what I considered to be the "all-time" hottest numbers with one power number.  I had 19#'s which is why I definitely wanted at least one power number to help keep the number of games down, but it still amounted to 28 games.  Well I made 35 my power pick because everything in me said that should be the one.  Long story short, on the 24th game I had 13-19-32-33-35 and as you saw from the drawing it was 13-19-32-33-36.  It was almost too much for a moment there.  Now, if I didn't use a power number I would have had to play 66 games to get the same result (meaning a 4) and maybe not even because that wheel  (53119) only guarantees a 3 if 4 right.

                    I like your ideas though, I tried a little 3-power, 5 game run for tonight's game myself.  I'm sure if we keep pluggin away at it something will give.  Hopefully sooner rather than later! 

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                      I know what you mean about using power numbers, but I feel you stand a much better shot at getting all five with at least one power # as opposed to none at all.  And I definitely like the 3-power # wheels.  It's just that you want to do it with such a small amount of games, which will make hitting all that much harder.  I do see that the #'s repeat a lot in your game, so you also have to be willing to always have repeaters in your picks.  And also that the repeaters come back with adjacent numbers.  It may be a good idea to make a wheel only using a couple of what you think will be repeaters and their adjacents, separate from your original strategy.  That used to be my downfall, not putting enough back in play, and sure enough as if like clockwork whenever I didn't put them in 1-2 of the #'s would be a repeat from the previous draw.  Now instead of depending on just one wheel to do the job, I will play at least 3 (especially if the jackpot has rolled over and starts looking real good!)

                      Last night I played a wheel (53019-1) with what I considered to be the "all-time" hottest numbers with one power number.  I had 19#'s which is why I definitely wanted at least one power number to help keep the number of games down, but it still amounted to 28 games.  Well I made 35 my power pick because everything in me said that should be the one.  Long story short, on the 24th game I had 13-19-32-33-35 and as you saw from the drawing it was 13-19-32-33-36.  It was almost too much for a moment there.  Now, if I didn't use a power number I would have had to play 66 games to get the same result (meaning a 4) and maybe not even because that wheel  (53119) only guarantees a 3 if 4 right.

                      I like your ideas though, I tried a little 3-power, 5 game run for tonight's game myself.  I'm sure if we keep pluggin away at it something will give.  Hopefully sooner rather than later! 

                      I agree.The hardest part is to get the banker number 100% correct.In this way,whatever wheel you use,the ultimate results would be quite satisying.

                      Hans

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                        Well, I only got 3 numbers (5 yuan which is about  .60 cents). Here 3 numbers pays 5 Yuan and 4 pays 50 yuan. Each game is 2 yuan. The jackpot depends on how many people hit so tonight 10 people each won 17,800 Yuan not dollars. It's not alot in the USA but here it's a nice amount of money. Tonight drawing was 4,11,20,21,22. Playing Power numbers is very risky because if you don't have them your chances of getting 5 0f 5 is almost impossible. Only the 20 and 21 came from the primary set.

                        For tomorrow I'm gonna use GH system  54015-3  Win 4 of 4. This has 3 PN and 6 lines.

                        03-05-09-12-15

                        06-07-09-12-15

                        09-10-11-12-15

                        09-12-13-14-15

                        09-12-15-16-17

                        09-12-15-18-19

                        if 5 Yuan = $0.60, then 17,800 Yuan = $2,136.00, on 2 Yuan ($0.24) bet. Nice return on investment.

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                            22 choose 5  = 26,334

                             numbers of 17
                             times of 5 totals
                             5 new
                             6,188 0 old
                             1 6,188
                             4 new
                             2,380 1 old
                             5 11,900
                             3 new
                             680 2 old
                             10 6,800
                             2 new
                             136 3 old
                             10 1,360
                             1 new
                             17 4 old
                             5 85
                             0 new
                             1 5 old
                             1 1

                            Odds of no number repeating are 6,188/26,344 = ~23%
                            Odds of one number repeating are 11,900/26,344 = ~45%
                            Odds of one or two numbers repeating are (11,900+6,800)/26,344 = 18,700/26,344 = ~71%

                            better off looking for a repeater instead of an all-new.

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                              22 choose 5  = 26,334

                               numbers of 17
                               times of 5 totals
                               5 new
                               6,188 0 old
                               1 6,188
                               4 new
                               2,380 1 old
                               5 11,900
                               3 new
                               680 2 old
                               10 6,800
                               2 new
                               136 3 old
                               10 1,360
                               1 new
                               17 4 old
                               5 85
                               0 new
                               1 5 old
                               1 1

                              Odds of no number repeating are 6,188/26,344 = ~23%
                              Odds of one number repeating are 11,900/26,344 = ~45%
                              Odds of one or two numbers repeating are (11,900+6,800)/26,344 = 18,700/26,344 = ~71%

                              better off looking for a repeater instead of an all-new.

                              I agree to a certian extent. The same the game the chances are greater for a repeat number expecially for my game. Having a Power Number games reduces the cost though it's makes it that's most harder to hit 5 0f 5.

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