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Posted: March 14, 2008, 9:22 pm - IP Logged

I know this is not the system forum, but I thought it would be more appropriate to put this post here under pick 5.

I am using vtracs with picking the pick 5 numbers.

I had been using the 221 system that I discussed a few months back. http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/142913/5

 However, after working with the chart for over 100 days, I see it would make more sense to use the 221 with the vtrac numbers instead of the actual draws.

Before positions were:

Group 1  actual numbers 1-13

Group 2  actual numbers 14-26

Group 3  actual numbers 27-39

 

Now we look at groups like this:

Group 1   Vtracs beginning with 1...  11  12   13   14   15

Group 2  Vtracs beginning with 2...  22 23  24  25

Group 3  Vtracs beginning with 3 and up   33  34  35  44 45

 

Actual numbers average out to be same although group 2 has less vtracs.

 

I am studying OHIO at the time, since we will be traveling up this Sunday.

I hope to get to KY numbers before leaving...

 

What I am seeing for OHIO right now..

 

March...

1st  203

2nd  131

3rd  023

4th 122

5th  014

6th  221

7th  401

8th  122

9th  320

10th  104

11th 131

12th  302

13th  113

 

question for OHIO players

Does Ohio pay for 2 numbers?

How many draws in advance can one play?

I am driving up Sunday and back down on Wednesday.

 

I suggest to watch patterns and find one and sticking with it for a week or so...

Your idea of dividing the lotto numbers 1 - 39 into three groups intrigued me at first.  I did some work with it.  I found there were just too many combinations to make the idea viable.  So I did what you did.  I found another way to divided the 39 numbers into 3 groups. 

I turned to the frequency count.  After arranging the numbers according to increasing frequency, I made my divisions.  There were still too many combinations to make the effort worthwhile.

I think there is a way, using frequency count and dividing thereupon, to reduce the total combinations.  Another step must be incorporated.  I wish I knew what that step was but I don't.  Not right now.

Any ideas?

I believe RJOH uses a variation of grouping by labeling each group A, B, C, or D.  The result would be the same if one uses numbers or letters.  Still way too many combinations for serious consideration.

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    Posted: March 14, 2008, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

    Hello tntea!

    Thanks for asking me to add my strings here. Be glad to! As always, the first and last strings are the most popular but thought I'd all them all here just to see what will happen.

    Using your Fri and Mon. numbers was a better mix then Wed and Mon.

     

                                         1 7 8 9 10 14 16 23 34 36

     

    1) 1 2 3 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 23 24 25 34 35 36 37 38

     

    2) 1 2 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 22 23 24 33 34 35 36 37 39

     

    3) 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 21 22 23 32 33 34 35 36 38 39

     

    4) 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 24 25 26 35 36 37 38 39

     

    Hope that helps you out!

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      62   10.0% 2.0% Feb 25, 2008
       
      381   5.0% 1.0% Feb 1, 2008
       
      281   5.0% 1.0% Feb 22, 2008
       
      191   5.0% 1.0% Feb 8, 2008
       
      301   5.0% 1.0% Feb 8, 2008
       
      351   5.0% 1.0% Feb 25, 2008
       
      311   5.0% 1.0% Feb 25, 2008
       
      31   5.0% 1.0% Feb 18, 2008
       
      111   5.0% 1.0% Feb 8, 2008
       
      331   5.0% 1.0% Feb 4, 2008
       
      240   0.0% 0.0% -
      150   0.0% 0.0% -

      Notes: These are TN no shows for March

      05-06-15-19-24

       

      266   30.0% 6.0% Feb 29, 2008
       
      212   10.0% 2.0% Feb 29, 2008
       
      133   15.0% 3.0% Feb 27, 2008
       
      225   25.0% 5.0% Feb 27, 2008
       
      122   10.0% 2.0% Feb 27, 2008
       
      311   5.0% 1.0% Feb 25, 2008
       
      351   5.0% 1.0% Feb 25, 2008
       
      281   5.0% 1.0% Feb 22, 2008
       
      373   15.0% 3.0% Feb 20, 2008
       
      31   5.0% 1.0% Feb 18, 2008
       
      203   15.0% 3.0% Feb 18, 2008
       
      42   10.0% 2.0% Feb 13, 2008
       
      182   10.0% 2.0% Feb 11, 2008
       
      301   5.0% 1.0% Feb 8, 2008
       
      111   5.0% 1.0% Feb 8, 2008
       
      331   5.0% 1.0% Feb 4, 2008
       
      381   5.0% 1.0% Feb 1, 2008
       

       

      Notes:  No shows in March for TN

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        394   8.0% 1.6% Feb 28, 2008
         
        45   10.0% 2.0% Feb 27, 2008
         
        314   8.0% 1.6% Feb 19, 2008
         

        Notes: MI no shows for March

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          Posted: March 15, 2008, 10:56 am - IP Logged

          Hello tntea!

          Thanks for asking me to add my strings here. Be glad to! As always, the first and last strings are the most popular but thought I'd all them all here just to see what will happen.

          Using your Fri and Mon. numbers was a better mix then Wed and Mon.

           

                                               1 7 8 9 10 14 16 23 34 36

           

          1) 1 2 3 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 23 24 25 34 35 36 37 38

           

          2) 1 2 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 22 23 24 33 34 35 36 37 39

           

          3) 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 21 22 23 32 33 34 35 36 38 39

           

          4) 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 24 25 26 35 36 37 38 39

           

          Hope that helps you out!

          05-06-15-19-24

           

          ) 1 2 3 7 8 9 10 11 12 14 15 16 17 18 23 24 25 34 35 36 37 38

           

          2) 1 2 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 22 23 24 33 34 35 36 37 39

           

          3) 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 21 22 23 32 33 34 35 36 38 39

           

          4) 2 3 4 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 18 19 24 25 26 35 36 37 38 39

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            Your idea of dividing the lotto numbers 1 - 39 into three groups intrigued me at first.  I did some work with it.  I found there were just too many combinations to make the idea viable.  So I did what you did.  I found another way to divided the 39 numbers into 3 groups. 

            I turned to the frequency count.  After arranging the numbers according to increasing frequency, I made my divisions.  There were still too many combinations to make the effort worthwhile.

            I think there is a way, using frequency count and dividing thereupon, to reduce the total combinations.  Another step must be incorporated.  I wish I knew what that step was but I don't.  Not right now.

            Any ideas?

            I believe RJOH uses a variation of grouping by labeling each group A, B, C, or D.  The result would be the same if one uses numbers or letters.  Still way too many combinations for serious consideration.

            I am dividing them into three vtrac groups to see how that goes.

            TN is paying for 2 numbers now.  That is an added plus for us.

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              Posted: March 15, 2008, 11:10 am - IP Logged

              new strings needed

               

              last two draws had these in TN

              2 5 6 9 15 19 24 25 32 34

               

              Would these be the strings:

              1)  03 06 08 10 16 20 25 26 33 35

              2)  04 07 09 11 17 21 26 27 34 36

              3)  05 08 10 12 18 22 27 28 35 37

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                Your idea of dividing the lotto numbers 1 - 39 into three groups intrigued me at first.  I did some work with it.  I found there were just too many combinations to make the idea viable.  So I did what you did.  I found another way to divided the 39 numbers into 3 groups. 

                I turned to the frequency count.  After arranging the numbers according to increasing frequency, I made my divisions.  There were still too many combinations to make the effort worthwhile.

                I think there is a way, using frequency count and dividing thereupon, to reduce the total combinations.  Another step must be incorporated.  I wish I knew what that step was but I don't.  Not right now.

                Any ideas?

                I believe RJOH uses a variation of grouping by labeling each group A, B, C, or D.  The result would be the same if one uses numbers or letters.  Still way too many combinations for serious consideration.

                I tried placing all 39 numbers in the order of their last hit.

                10

                3332121152934161421436
                33511172423830525262013
                3919286823229371831277

                The red numbers are from the next draw and I place them in the same order they were in.

                15

                1617352733321214291034
                14213631124238305252620
                1339192868232293718317

                I use a spread sheet so I can view one row with 39 columns, but I divided it into 3 rows of 13 here. Over time you'll see changes in the first 20 columns every 4 days because they represent the last four drawing.

                21

                5393171516173527103332
                1214293414363112423830
                25262013192868232293718

                Notice how the number 3 move from the first column to 21.

                10

                1130203721539317151617
                35273332121429341436324
                2382526131928682322918

                Can't see the full effect with only four drawings or by trying to condense them for this format, but when you look at 25 rows, you can see trends where sections of the chart are producing hits. There are times when the last 5 to 10 columns will go two weeks without a hit or like in this example, the number that was in the 38th column was drawn 4 consecutive times.

                I've checked which columns are producing the most hits and the 15 most frequent columns does trap at least 3 numbers about 35% of the drawings. I did have some success playing 3if4 wheels but I think trying to hit all 5 numbers requires a different playing strategy. There might be a way to apply the chart to find a group of numbers that consistently match 4 or 5 numbers, but I'm still looking.

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                  Your idea of dividing the lotto numbers 1 - 39 into three groups intrigued me at first.  I did some work with it.  I found there were just too many combinations to make the idea viable.  So I did what you did.  I found another way to divided the 39 numbers into 3 groups. 

                  I turned to the frequency count.  After arranging the numbers according to increasing frequency, I made my divisions.  There were still too many combinations to make the effort worthwhile.

                  I think there is a way, using frequency count and dividing thereupon, to reduce the total combinations.  Another step must be incorporated.  I wish I knew what that step was but I don't.  Not right now.

                  Any ideas?

                  I believe RJOH uses a variation of grouping by labeling each group A, B, C, or D.  The result would be the same if one uses numbers or letters.  Still way too many combinations for serious consideration.

                  Using the 1118 drawings for Ohio Rolling Cash5(5/39) from 10/04/04 to 03/14/08, I divided the 39 numbers into 3 groups as follows A=1-13, B=14-26 and C=27-39.  The possible combinations AAAAA to CCCCC = 3^5 or 243.  When I converted all the drawings to the A B C format, there were only 20 of the combinations used.

                     1. A  A  B  C  C =164               
                     2. A  B  B  C  C =153               
                     3. A  A  B  B  C =132               
                     4. A  B  B  B  C =102               
                     5. A  A  A  B  C =101               
                     6. A  B  C  C  C = 95               
                     7. B  B  B  C  C = 52               
                     8. A  A  A  B  B = 51               
                     9. B  B  C  C  C = 44               
                    10. A  A  C  C  C = 43               
                    11. A  A  A  A  B = 29               
                    12. A  A  A  C  C = 28               
                    13. A  A  B  B  B = 28               
                    14. A  B  B  B  B = 23               
                    15. B  C  C  C  C = 22               
                    16. A  A  A  A  C = 18               
                    17. B  B  B  B  C = 15               
                    18. A  C  C  C  C = 14               
                    19. C  C  C  C  C =  3               
                    20. B  B  B  B  B =  1

                  For the last couple of days,I've been using the top 5 ABC formats for the numbers I've  played and the best I've done in 10 lines is match 2 three times.               

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    new strings needed

                     

                    last two draws had these in TN

                    2 5 6 9 15 19 24 25 32 34

                     

                    Would these be the strings:

                    1)  03 06 08 10 16 20 25 26 33 35

                    2)  04 07 09 11 17 21 26 27 34 36

                    3)  05 08 10 12 18 22 27 28 35 37

                    Wed, Mar 19, 200803-16-20-23-27
                    Mon, Mar 17, 200809-10-13-14-21

                    Would these be the strings:

                    1)  03 06 08 10 16 20 25 26 33 35

                    2)  04 07 09 11 17 21 26 27 34 36

                    3)  05 08 10 12 18 22 27 28 35 37

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                      Posted: March 20, 2008, 9:57 pm - IP Logged

                      TN new strings from last two draws..

                      1).   04  10 14  15  17  21  22  24  28

                      2).   05  11  15  16  18  22  23  25  29

                      3).  06  12  16  17  19  23   24  26  30

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