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Posted: April 2, 2008, 1:27 pm - IP Logged

Not sure if this is the right place or not but there seems to be more activity here.

Has anyone that plays PB noticed alot of sequential numbers being drawn? I was looking at the the last 25 drawings and at one point there were 8 straight drawings like that. 3 of the sets were 23-24 25-26 and 27-28. For being random thats pretty incredible.

I'm just wondering if those who play their own numbers look for little systems like that?

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    Yep, its the same for MM too,,,and if you look at the numbers you will also see that on an a 33-35% average (give or take ) one number will come out back to back  (repeater) in the next drawing...I noted it at a quick glance on PB but it's for certain on MM....and out of those number of times  30% of the time its in the same position. 

    Now what do you want to do with that Info?

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      Posted: April 2, 2008, 2:30 pm - IP Logged

      I've noticed that as well on PB especially with the lower numbers, under 10.

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        Posted: April 2, 2008, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

        Not sure if this is the right place or not but there seems to be more activity here.

        Has anyone that plays PB noticed alot of sequential numbers being drawn? I was looking at the the last 25 drawings and at one point there were 8 straight drawings like that. 3 of the sets were 23-24 25-26 and 27-28. For being random thats pretty incredible.

        I'm just wondering if those who play their own numbers look for little systems like that?

        PowerBall is a Jackpot game, so it should be pretty obvious to folks that the Jackpot Games Discusion Forum would be the place to start a thread such as this.

        Everyone is hung up on the numbers, when in reality the numbers on the Balls mean nothing, they are just there so that you can tell one white ball from another (labels).

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          Posted: April 2, 2008, 9:32 pm - IP Logged

          <Moved to Jackpot Games forum>

          Please post in the appropriate forum ... thank you.

           

          It is always better to post in the best forum for the topic, rather than someplace that gets "more activity".

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            Posted: April 3, 2008, 8:20 am - IP Logged

            Not sure if this is the right place or not but there seems to be more activity here.

            Has anyone that plays PB noticed alot of sequential numbers being drawn? I was looking at the the last 25 drawings and at one point there were 8 straight drawings like that. 3 of the sets were 23-24 25-26 and 27-28. For being random thats pretty incredible.

            I'm just wondering if those who play their own numbers look for little systems like that?

            When analyzing a draw for consecutives, in a game like Powerball or Mega Millions, you should separate the Pick 5 part from the Pick 1 part.

            If you examine the Powerball again that way, you'll find there are no draws of more than 2 consecutive numbers in the Pick 5 part.

            The numbers have to be analyzed this way because the combinatorial selection of each are independent events.

            Below are the YTD draws and the Pick 5 part consecutives highlighted.

             

            IndexDatePick 5Pick 1
            YearMonthDay12345PB
            245200812131625305411
            2462008154111633409
            24720081921320212324
            2482008112233943475311
            249200811691819384711
            250200811920232527282
            251200812341635474839
            2522008126113539535424
            253200813021741545517
            254200822141625264430
            255200826351242435
            25620082942324304328
            2572008213131932385130
            2582008216348204918
            259200822091220223631
            260200822381323294732
            2612008227202437485311
            26220083121921315519
            26320083510151623315
            264200838172931344916
            265200831212193034368
            266200831562242434716
            2672008319131520254437
            268200832272528464819
            269200832691220374917
            270200832918202531367
            27120084213437445533

             

            For this many draws YTD, 27 draws, there should be approximately be by theory the following distribution of consecutives for Powerball.

             

            Index01234
            Typeno
            consecutive
            numbers
            2
            consecutive
            numbers
            3
            consecutive
            numbers
            4
            consecutive
            numbers
            5
            consecutive
            numbers
            Calculated177100
            Actual1512000

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              Posted: April 6, 2008, 3:07 pm - IP Logged

              If you can figure out which pair will hit, more power to you.

              IMO you have identified the phenomena, now you have to hit it: and most of us here have identified things such as this.

              For every pair you identify such as 42-43,  15-16,  3-4, there are an equal number of pairs from a group that are not sequential, such as 34-37, 25-28, 13-15, 31-34 and so on.

              And for every pair you identify that are NOT sequential, for awhile they were running in even-even or odd-odd numbers, such as 13-19, 12-20, 23-29, 6-8, 18-20, now that's not the case so much.

              If you REALLY want to look at sequential pairs, look hard at the 50's, that is where they are more prevalent, but the problem is the 50's as a group don't hit that often.

              There is also a 'noticing' that when you see the Red ball hit, it is usually preceded by a White ball hitting a few games prior, the problem is: not all the time, and it may not even be worth noticing, that's up to you.

              Here is the problem you will be up against with 'trending': by the time you notice something as a trend, that trend my have run its' course, or is at the very end of it: regardless: you still have to hit it right.

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                Yep, its the same for MM too,,,and if you look at the numbers you will also see that on an a 33-35% average (give or take ) one number will come out back to back  (repeater) in the next drawing...I noted it at a quick glance on PB but it's for certain on MM....and out of those number of times  30% of the time its in the same position. 

                Now what do you want to do with that Info?

                As a stand alone pattern, sequential numbers and repeating numbers mean nothing.  Couple those two with about 10 other patterns and you might find yourself looking past the numbers and into a whole new world.

                But I have been wrong before.

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                  Pick 5 part consecutives % break down
                  Index01234
                  Typenone2345
                  Powerball67.5258%28.7344%3.5918%0.1466%0.0015%
                  Mega Millions68.0389%28.3495%3.4714%0.1389%0.0014%

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                    Posted: April 6, 2008, 6:32 pm - IP Logged

                    The Theory of Probability summizes that regardless the picks a sequential pick has just as great a liklihood such as 1 2 3 4 5 or 11 12 13 14 15 in any type of pick 5 game. They should be given equal weight... However like most - I think they are just about the first filters I place when picking numbers. (Or maybe I just been reading "Lady Luck: The Theory of Probability" by Warren Weaver too much) LOL, Pogo

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                      As a stand alone pattern, sequential numbers and repeating numbers mean nothing.  Couple those two with about 10 other patterns and you might find yourself looking past the numbers and into a whole new world.

                      But I have been wrong before.

                      I tend to agree with you on the first two, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you on the third.

                      You can see when a repeat number is 'due', but you cannot predict WHEN a number will repeat, and you can also narrow down pretty good which number will repeat, and by that I mean I am pretty good at narrowing down which 3 of the 5 have a better chance of repeating, and in a lot of cases I can narrow it down to two numbers, but I cannot narrow it down to just one with 100% certainty.

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                      The Theory of Probability summizes that regardless the picks a sequential pick has just as great a liklihood such as 1 2 3 4 5 or 11 12 13 14 15 in any type of pick 5 game. They should be given equal weight... However like most - I think they are just about the first filters I place when picking numbers. (Or maybe I just been reading"Lady Luck: The Theory of Probability" by Warren Weaver too much) LOL,Pogo

                      On the surface the theory of probability is on your side, but in reality, since the ballset change, I did a quick look, and I see all kinds of sequential sets that have not hit at all, such as 28-29, 29-30, and I see other sequential sets that have hit 5 and 6 times....  This begs the question: are 28-29 as a set 'due' ?   Or any other set that have never been hit ?  Are sets that have hit 3 times set to hit again ?   How about sets that have hit 5 and 6 times ?   (And that's just the ones that jumped out at me).

                       

                      We have been down this road here as a group on LP many times in the past two years, and the facts are not all numbers are hit equally. You would like to think they are, but they simply are not.

                      That and $4.00 will get you a Starbucks - because you still have to guess the correct numbers....

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                        The Theory of Probability summizes that regardless the picks a sequential pick has just as great a liklihood such as 1 2 3 4 5 or 11 12 13 14 15 in any type of pick 5 game. They should be given equal weight... However like most - I think they are just about the first filters I place when picking numbers. (Or maybe I just been reading "Lady Luck: The Theory of Probability" by Warren Weaver too much) LOL, Pogo

                        When you're talking about 5 sequential numbers in a row like 1 2 3 4 5, there are only 51 of them in PB combinations so the odds of that pattern coming up are 5:3,478,761. 

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                          Here is a good one for you,

                          Go to the PB website and search the last numbers drawn on 4/5/08, which were-  (12-27-30-37-47 )and you will find that 4 of these numbers repeat  (12-27-30-37-49 )  and on 8/11/07 numbers were-  (1-10-11-37-40)  then on  10/20/07 numbers were (10-11-37-40-54)   Since the lottery admited about 6 numbers that have repeated which is on my blog,  if things are controlled,  keep an eye on the number results and you might be seeing 5 numbers that repeat?   I believe that because of the weight of the balls or maybe malfunction at times there are sets of number patterns that repeat. 

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                            Doing some quick programming, came up with the following:

                            In a 5/55 matrix there are 3,478,761 combinations.
                            In those 3,478,761 combinations, 1,129,701 combinations will contain at least two consecutive numbers.

                            That number includes those with more than two consecutive numbers and also those which contain two sets of two or more consecutive numbers.

                            Example: 01-02-05-06-07 is counted only once.

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                              Posted: April 7, 2008, 9:24 am - IP Logged

                              Not sure if this is the right place or not but there seems to be more activity here.

                              Has anyone that plays PB noticed alot of sequential numbers being drawn? I was looking at the the last 25 drawings and at one point there were 8 straight drawings like that. 3 of the sets were 23-24 25-26 and 27-28. For being random thats pretty incredible.

                              I'm just wondering if those who play their own numbers look for little systems like that?

                              We notice these patterns. They pop out at us like a piece of a jigsaw puzzle. When we take a step back, we see that there are so many other pieces (combos) that resemble this little pattern, that we are forced to refine it more, or discard it.

                              In a game with nearly 3.5 mil combos (ignoring the bonus ball), if you found something that happens 1%, and you played it on the exact drawing, you'd still have ~35K combos to choose from.

                              Not only does the system have to be net profitable, you have to be able to afford to play it.

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