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Posted: May 27, 2008, 4:24 pm - IP Logged

If someone told you that next time they will use ball set 12 what advantage would that bring..none really..the main reason they use different balls sets is to ensure security (since if someone were to tamper with a particular set there would be no guarantee they will use it)...and also its good when you change balls because it helps with the wearing out or not getting damaged so quickly as if you just used one single set all the time...

the balls are the same size and same weight to very very close tolerances and from the same exact material specifications...for those that think that knowing the ball set may somehow help its just a false assumption...since balls are same material same weight and same precise size they would physically perform the same...even if there was a variation it would be very small as to have no practical implication in a ball bouncing or getting drawn more times...plus there are 55 white balls how would you tell the difference, there are way to many comparisons to be made...and no this is not the same as tennis balls because the manufacturing specs are way more precise here and the costs are higher also..they weigh and measure and check them before and after......even if you put a ball that bounces more there are still few chances it will pick that one... 

it is just useless...the draws are random as confirmed by the results...best thing one can do is go with the flow....one time pick low balls, sometimes in the middle, few times high balls and hope your assumption is right and you catch the right picks...

I have to disagree, no ball set is perfect from defects, therefore if you knew each ball ser and when they were going to draw and finally recorded what balls came up, you would start to see a pattern for each ball set... The real reason they use multiple ball sets and multiple machines for that matter is to make the draws random not for security purposes - Not to hurt anyone's feelings, Pogo

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    Looks like a count of pairings of one number on the x-axis and another on the y-axis, with a 'count' where they intersect. It's hard to make the charts look good after you hit 'post'

     

    PR12345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940414243444546474849505152535455
    10110413402101141301051313400022105333205023121112220103
    20021100432223254202143432124225302342112363331251321035
    30003111330323200124321030212122112312144034132222220021
    40000120422211222031201211122142121203213014311221121011
    50000021023121202240231020223001212120301013111123121101
    60000002101111422141202120230220102112211341001302120100
    70000000401032102310031203142220223331223332232141221153
    80000000011332032312311321221722411312221332051414151252
    90000000000151203033211532122312000021111033130222123213
    100000000000533012112302342211012212303424225000142402123
    110000000000013103021332020111141013213234213110141112222
    120000000000005232303322342332152222344422023111243320242
    130000000000000304236432441132251231300234222314321422222
    140000000000000062233012012443121112010125434113132100243
    150000000000000002413131222533132100212212253142331121221
    160000000000000000043142331320222142422103445222252155140
    170000000000000000011000031221201002211101313220124231232
    180000000000000000003422301022132011011310123132112121042
    190000000000000000000135240431272542221442563044500223232
    200000000000000000000045213211121011234032232121343200210
    210000000000000000000001211320241213130111134232114321003
    220000000000000000000000220322330211133320224032453424002
    230000000000000000000000023144213310523230134221411112224
    240000000000000000000000001632120021241631123103333220332
    250000000000000000000000000433223301121201232222030110020
    260000000000000000000000000023121222321222240153210211223
    270000000000000000000000000001121100111021422210422115322
    280000000000000000000000000000043124342001021023323211332
    290000000000000000000000000000003101203111221012112213212
    300000000000000000000000000000002225232253406334431023242
    310000000000000000000000000000000132221202012121013200136
    320000000000000000000000000000000021023431311202212330144
    330000000000000000000000000000000001200112031110202110022
    340000000000000000000000000000000000353220252250022301201
    350000000000000000000000000000000000023426312112514403235
    360000000000000000000000000000000000000401050112213120342
    370000000000000000000000000000000000000033112332352513223
    380000000000000000000000000000000000000014240122213152433
    390000000000000000000000000000000000000003214212310001422
    400000000000000000000000000000000000000000132001343411433
    410000000000000000000000000000000000000000021020221202244
    420000000000000000000000000000000000000000006033131211341
    430000000000000000000000000000000000000000000313223113312
    440000000000000000000000000000000000000000000012212211221
    450000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001110220231
    460000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000122131220
    470000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000020220332
    480000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000621233
    490000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000404104
    500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002011
    510000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002210
    520000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000412
    530000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000031
    540000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000007
    550000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    To TNtea & Timetreat...Thanks...

    You made me brush up on something i thought years ago but never went into it because i thought i didn't know how i would do it...

    but what if instead of looking at when 2 numbers pair up together what if you look at the pair up of all 5 + 1 numbers and you make a chart of it for Powerball...I still don't know how you will do it because i don't see how it will work in excel or in a x-y axis...

    But if you had a semi-supercomputer (here i go again) and you don't even need a semi-supercomputer you need just a team of scientists and powerful custom-made algorithms for that particular job, but of course you will need an application like excel or better with the AUTOMATIC formulas for it, and you could look at the different pair up matches of all 5 +1 numbers of Powerball....

    What you focus on? you focus on the numbers that don't have a match up focusing on each single number with the rest of them...

    if you try the x-y axis, it will have to have many axis, that's why i said i don't know how it will work or how you could do it...The only people i know work with multiple axis are people that work with supercomputers...

    doing 2 numbers pair up will not work and i don't want to say it but it would not be that much useful...While doing 5 numbers will be plentifully useful and more extensive/ample....

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      I have to disagree, no ball set is perfect from defects, therefore if you knew each ball ser and when they were going to draw and finally recorded what balls came up, you would start to see a pattern for each ball set... The real reason they use multiple ball sets and multiple machines for that matter is to make the draws random not for security purposes - Not to hurt anyone's feelings, Pogo

      you are wrong..they weigh and measure the ball set they are going to use before and after draw...if the balls dont pass the measurements required and also a visual inspection for cracks, defects etc they dont use them...they also do pretests...these are simple facts...

       "therefore if you knew each ball ser and when they were going to draw and finally recorded what balls came up, you would start to see a pattern for each ball set"

      to prove you wrong you can go back and check all the pretests and past draws for each particular ballset and i guarantee you they are as random as they can be and there is no pattern...since you insist there is a pattern then why haven't you found one genius...

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        you are wrong..they weigh and measure the ball set they are going to use before and after draw...if the balls dont pass the measurements required and also a visual inspection for cracks, defects etc they dont use them...they also do pretests...these are simple facts...

         "therefore if you knew each ball ser and when they were going to draw and finally recorded what balls came up, you would start to see a pattern for each ball set"

        to prove you wrong you can go back and check all the pretests and past draws for each particular ballset and i guarantee you they are as random as they can be and there is no pattern...since you insist there is a pattern then why haven't you found one genius...

        Like I said I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes... But to put it simply does anyone know the ball set number before any given draw in time enough to buy your ticket??? Just a question - not trying to get you mad... Pogo

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          Posted: May 28, 2008, 5:48 pm - IP Logged

          BTW, if you're using my spreadsheet for powerball pairs, you can add any new draws anywhere in the draw's columns because we're simply looking for pairs not necessarily in a chronological sense... Good Luck, PoGo

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            Which Editor lets you post charts with fixed fonts?

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              you are wrong..they weigh and measure the ball set they are going to use before and after draw...if the balls dont pass the measurements required and also a visual inspection for cracks, defects etc they dont use them...they also do pretests...these are simple facts...

               "therefore if you knew each ball ser and when they were going to draw and finally recorded what balls came up, you would start to see a pattern for each ball set"

              to prove you wrong you can go back and check all the pretests and past draws for each particular ballset and i guarantee you they are as random as they can be and there is no pattern...since you insist there is a pattern then why haven't you found one genius...

              I'd say you're both right. They check the balls and don't use them as long as they believe  that all of the balls are within spec, but that doesn't mean that every ball is perfect and exactly the same as every other ball. The variations will be minor, but they will be there, and it's reasonable to assume that some balls will be slightly  more or less likely to be drawn. The question is how much more or less likely.

              If everything about the drawing was completely perfect and a single ballset was used for 1120 drawings, 5600 balls would have been drawn. That's an average of 100 times for each of the 56 balls used in mega millions. There simply isn't a chance in hell that each ball would actually be drawn 100 times. Even if you know which ballset is used, there's still no realistic way to distingusih between the normal variation that can be expected in a perfectly random result and the very minor variation that may be caused by the minor variation in the balls. Even if careful analysis gave you a 1% edge, you'd still have nearly 174 million combinations to choose from.

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                The Lottery Post editor.

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                Thanks for taking the time to answer my question: Their are two Lottery Post Editors: Both of them will do this Function? I've looked for Directions on How to do this Function, but I haven't found them as yet: Can you direct me to them? Thanks,

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                    It really depends on what you are trying to do, when you're picking numbers to play, checking just the last 285 drawings since the last matrix change is good but if you're talking about the history of PowerBall drawings, including all 1101 drawings since it started is better.

                    From what I have seen, the main difference between using 285 or 1101 (or some number in between) drawings for developing a system is one of which particular drawing (if any) it will hit on. Even the matrix changes, etc. don't have to be a big deal, depending on how rigid the system is.

                    I.e., if we were all using the same basic method, but used slightly different periods to define 'hot', 'cold', 'moving average', etc.,  we'd all have nearly the same hit-ratio over the course of a year -  but we'd hit on different days.

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                      Thanks for taking the time to answer my question: Their are two Lottery Post Editors: Both of them will do this Function? I've looked for Directions on How to do this Function, but I haven't found them as yet: Can you direct me to them? Thanks,

                      Yes, there are two editors available at Lottery Post.  We aim to please!

                      The Rich Text Editor is the default that most people use.  It is a very advanced text editor, pushing the limits of what web browsers are capable of.  However, most people do not even attempt to use the more advanced features.  All the buttons are right there and advanced features can be used by clicking a little button, but alas, I cannot force people to click the buttons.

                      The Simple Codes Editor is activated if you go into the Board Settings page (in the Options menu) and un-check the Rich Text Editor option.  The Simple Codes Editor is much more like a traditional editor used on forums.  Instead of editing in a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) view, you type codes.  For example, in the Rich Text Editor if you wanted bold text, you would highlight the text and click the "B" button (or press Ctrl+B).  The text would literally become bold in the editor, like this.  In the Simple Codes Editor, you would place [B] markers around the text you want to be bold, [B]like this[/B], and you would see th text become bold only when it is posted, or when you click Preview.

                      The reasons you would want to use the Simple Codes Editor would be that it loads quicker, since the program code is much smaller, and because it will work in just about any web browser, as opposed to the Rich Text Editor, which requires a modern web browser, such as IE6/7, Safari, Opera, or Firefox.  Some people just want to get rid of the complexity of the Rich Text Editor, since they don't use the advanced features, and that's fine too.  That's why I went through the difficulty of implementing two separate editors!

                      From your previous discussions on the subject of the editor, my guess is that you use the Simple Codes Editor, not the Rich Text Editor.  The Simple Codes Editor is not capable of doing tables/grids, but the Rich Text Editor is.  And it is very easy to do, as I mentioned.

                      There is no documentation, but it's fairly self-explanatory, especially if you are willing to spend a few minutes to experiment with it.

                      I created that little sample grid in about 20 seconds, if that much.  People tend to look at the advance features like it's climbing Mount Everest, and I'm not sure why.  You literally click a button and fill in some information about how you want it to look.

                      In the case of the grid, you click the Create Table button (left side of third toolbar row) and when the box pops up, tell it how many rows and columns to make the table.  If you want gridlines, specify "1" for the border.  You can make the gridlines single lines by setting cell spacing to zero (0).  You can set the background color of the entire table.  Etc., etc.  When you click Insert, the new table is inserted into your editor.  Really not too tough.

                      You can add or delete rows simply by right-clicking on the rows, just like in Excel.  You can change the color or any other properties of a row or cell by simply right-clicking on the row or cell and selecting "Row Properties" or "Cell Properties". 

                      It is really not rocket science.  Anyone who has posted on the predictions board has done something more complicated than creating a table.

                      I hope this will help people to want to try it out.  When you get some spare time, go experimenting.  Not only in the editor, but throughout the site.  There are many great features waiting to be found!

                       

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