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# No digits return about 21% of the time ...Single to Single

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Stone Mountain*Georgia
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 Posted: July 16, 2008, 10:38 pm - IP Logged

30 draws a month...... A Single number hits normal average of about 22 Singles a month.

That leaves about 7 or 8 doubles that hit the rest of the time.

Of the 22 Single number hits during the month .......No digits will return the next Single number draw about 4 to 6  times a month.

If we wheel 7 digits that did not hit the day before each day.....that gives us 35 single numbers to consider. Even if all of the 35 numbers are used at .25 cents per......its 8.50 total.

8.50 x 30 = 255.00 per 30 days                    Win 37.50 x 6 = 225.00

The trick is .........how to cut down on the 35 wheeled potential number plays each time. ...or only play on the days Single Numbers hit. LOL

or....

we could just pick a day....or two and Gamble none of the digits will return the next day.

Sounds pretty good on paper doesn't it?  Player has about a 1 in 5 shot at a win ...

.......and gets paid \$150 to 1 each time he hits !

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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 Posted: July 17, 2008, 1:08 am - IP Logged

30 draws a month...... A Single number hits normal average of about 22 Singles a month.

That leaves about 7 or 8 doubles that hit the rest of the time.

Of the 22 Single number hits during the month .......No digits will return the next Single number draw about 4 to 6  times a month.

If we wheel 7 digits that did not hit the day before each day.....that gives us 35 single numbers to consider. Even if all of the 35 numbers are used at .25 cents per......its 8.50 total.

8.50 x 30 = 255.00 per 30 days                    Win 37.50 x 6 = 225.00

The trick is .........how to cut down on the 35 wheeled potential number plays each time. ...or only play on the days Single Numbers hit. LOL

or....

we could just pick a day....or two and Gamble none of the digits will return the next day.

Sounds pretty good on paper doesn't it?  Player has about a 1 in 5 shot at a win ...

.......and gets paid \$150 to 1 each time he hits !

WinD,

Very interesting!!

I calculated GA Evening draws (last 740 draws)

This occured 117 times.

When a no digit return hits the previous draw, play it for the next drawing only.  This occured 27 times.

Or

When a no digt return hits the previous draw, wait 2 more draws.  This occured 16 times.

 SKIPS HITS 0 27 1 9 2 16 3 6 4 6 5 8 6 4 7 10 8 6 9 1 10 4 11 3 12 4 13 4 14 1 15 1 16 0 17 0 18 0 19 3 20 0 21 0 22 0 23 0 24 1 25 0 26 0 27 0 28 1 29 0 30 0 31 0 32 1

Once you get past the "7" skips your in no-mans land.

Up to 7 skips hit 86 out of 117.  This looks like a good range for GAE.

A better range would be as I mentioned above wait for a hit and play the next draw.  Or wait for a hit and play after 2 skips.

The skips includes a No Match Draw, and a double, or a triple draw.

Most importantly the last or previous draw MUST be a "No-Match" combo (e.g 765, 163, etc).

If the previous draw was a double or triple you need to wait for a "No-Match" to be drawn".

Stone Mountain*Georgia
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 Posted: July 17, 2008, 7:53 am - IP Logged

Thank you very much for those stats Steve.

Was that 740 scan including doubles draws ....or singles only.

If it included all draws .... 740 of them  Then I figure of the 740 draws .... about ...532 were singles right?  Were the 117 hits counting the draws right after a double?  ....or .... was it including the draw after a double as a miss ?         In other words...

If we remove all doubles and trips from the scan....then does our hit rate go up?  If we always use the last Single as the last draw ....even if we have 5 doubles in a row hit....we always go back to the last Single .

Maybe.... thats not even the best way to calculate the hits.  Darn doubles always mess up everything.

Doubles are like Aunt B's Pickles ......  guess we just have to learn..... to love em' .   LOL

Perhaps .....wait until we get back to back doubles.....  then use the last Single for our digits for the next draw.

In fact...lets just play this using doubles to double .....use the last 2 digits from the last double...... and wheel the other 8 digits for the next double?  Wonder how many times that works... LOL   If we wheel those other 8 digits that did not hit..... thats only 56 doubles to consider.  Hmmmm

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

Stone Mountain*Georgia
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 Posted: July 17, 2008, 8:43 am - IP Logged

Ga eve .....going back by eyeball..... the last 365 draws had about 103 doubles hit. Its almost always around 100 doubles a year. Of those 103 doubles we had 23 times of back to back doubles.  If they went more than that I didn't count them....too few to worry with.

Anyway.... for our purposes..... about 20 to 25% of the time doubles will hit back to back during the year. If we assume that none of the 2 digits will return on the next double to hit......  we would have won 14 of the 23 times that it happened.

So..... we would win about 60% of the times that occurred.

** During the year ..... about 100 doubles hit ....and about 1/4th the time they will hit back to back. When they do we should win about 60% of the time.

Having to consider only 56 doubles(wheeled)..... instead of 36 singles gives us a lot better shot at a Straight.  Heck ..... 100% better shot at a Straight and only half the cost.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

Stone Mountain*Georgia
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 Posted: July 17, 2008, 9:17 am - IP Logged

Almost forgot ...... talking Singles again for a moment.  Going back Ga eve. last 365 draws ......there were 264 single number hits ( 72% no surprise)

Of those 264 single hits..... about 75 of those were back to back ( no returning digits)  28%

So....we might say it is better to play for NO digit returns right after a NO digit return single .....and be right about 1/4th the time.

Just no way to take the GAM ....outta' .....Gamble around here is there ?

There just might be a better deal .....getting paid double for those double wins ....and playing more Straights.

or ....

Is it better to say..... if we wait for a double....we have about a 75% chance at a single hit next  ....right after a double .....and if we use the last single numbers digits (for our 7 digit wheel).......we will win about 1 outta' 4 times ?

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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 Posted: July 17, 2008, 9:56 am - IP Logged

Georgia Evening

740 past draws

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198 doubles

1 triple

541 no match

Back to back doubles occured 57 times. (actually 58 after last nights draw)

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The draws included doubles and trips (previous post)

Soo the current skip is 8 draws.

Since last evenings draw was a double we need to wait for a no-match to occur.  The next draw would also have to be a no-match that does not contain any previous digits.

So here we are presently:

7/15/08 - 223 (double)

7/16/08 - 225 (double)

7/17/08 - If a No Match is drawn - Start (no play - no money)

7/18/08 - If a No Match is drawn - If no previous digits were drawn (no play - no money)

7/19/08 - Play (zero skip) If we don't win play 2 more draws.  If after the 2nd draw we don't win we wait until the whole cycle repeats.

So, what we are doing is waiting for a no-match combo to be drawn (hopefully tonight).  Then we are waiting for the second no-match combo to be drawn (hopefully Friday Eve) and this No match combo must NOT contain any digits from Thursday's draw.

If Friday's draw is a no-match combo and does not contain any digits from the previous draw we would play on Saturday Eve (hoping for a repeat no match with no previous digits) and we would play on Monday (skip 2 draws). Or wait 7 skips and play.  See chart I posted.

0 skips = 27

2 skips = 16

7 skips = 10

After that you in no mans land!!

If we don't win on Monday we stop and wait for the next cycle to start over again.

CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
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 Posted: July 18, 2008, 7:56 pm - IP Logged

WIN-D,

Thanks for the info. I'll use this info with your other post about single digit returns.

zen

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 Posted: July 21, 2008, 12:34 am - IP Logged

30 draws a month...... A Single number hits normal average of about 22 Singles a month.

That leaves about 7 or 8 doubles that hit the rest of the time.

Of the 22 Single number hits during the month .......No digits will return the next Single number draw about 4 to 6  times a month.

If we wheel 7 digits that did not hit the day before each day.....that gives us 35 single numbers to consider. Even if all of the 35 numbers are used at .25 cents per......its 8.50 total.

8.50 x 30 = 255.00 per 30 days                    Win 37.50 x 6 = 225.00

The trick is .........how to cut down on the 35 wheeled potential number plays each time. ...or only play on the days Single Numbers hit. LOL

or....

we could just pick a day....or two and Gamble none of the digits will return the next day.

Sounds pretty good on paper doesn't it?  Player has about a 1 in 5 shot at a win ...

.......and gets paid \$150 to 1 each time he hits !

The numbers I find to repeat at least 2 digits the same day or the next following day in the pick 4 or 3 are as followed

005  015  025  035  045  055  065  075  085  095

106  116  126  136  146  156  166  176  186  196

207  217  227  237  247  257  267  277  287  297

308  318  328  338  348  358  368  378  388  398

409  419  429  439  449  359  469  479  489  499

Back track your state to see when these numbers hit do 2 of the digits return 40% of the time.

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