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Posted: September 26, 2008, 4:33 pm - IP Logged

HELP!!!

What is meant by a 'non-standard' game? 

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    Posted: September 26, 2008, 5:46 pm - IP Logged

    HELP!!!

    What is meant by a 'non-standard' game? 

    cbreeze8

    Can you give an example?

     

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      Posted: September 26, 2008, 6:15 pm - IP Logged

      Can you give an example?

      Hello Todd,

      I subscribe to Lotto Pro and I noticed that they had not created a database for the Quinto games.  When I asked why they hadn't, their reply was: "Quinto is a nonstandard game and would not be added".  So my question is why is: Is it nonstandard because you pick 5 numbers instead of 4 like the Big 4??

      Thanks for answering.

      cbreeze8

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        Posted: September 26, 2008, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

        Hello Todd,

        I subscribe to Lotto Pro and I noticed that they had not created a database for the Quinto games.  When I asked why they hadn't, their reply was: "Quinto is a nonstandard game and would not be added".  So my question is why is: Is it nonstandard because you pick 5 numbers instead of 4 like the Big 4??

        Thanks for answering.

        cbreeze8

        It means he (John Lake) would have to go to a lot of work for little return to reprogram much of Lotto Pro for one minor game.   Non-standard usually means games with weird things like playing cards in the draw like the Washington State lottery used to have if memory is correct. 

        Quinto is a different game matrix from other games, so it isn't just a matter of adding another data base. 

         http://www.lotterypost.com/news/180375

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          Posted: September 26, 2008, 6:30 pm - IP Logged

          Hello Todd,

          I subscribe to Lotto Pro and I noticed that they had not created a database for the Quinto games.  When I asked why they hadn't, their reply was: "Quinto is a nonstandard game and would not be added".  So my question is why is: Is it nonstandard because you pick 5 numbers instead of 4 like the Big 4??

          Thanks for answering.

          cbreeze8

          It's a nonstandard game now because PA is the only state with that type of game and they haven't written a program for it. You may have to use the old fashioned pencil and paper method until they do. I use another program and they won't be adding Quinto near future either.

          My guess it that Todd is already figuring out how to include the deflate and inspect features for Quinto and somebody made a Vtrac chart too.

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            Posted: September 26, 2008, 7:10 pm - IP Logged

            Hello Todd,

            I subscribe to Lotto Pro and I noticed that they had not created a database for the Quinto games.  When I asked why they hadn't, their reply was: "Quinto is a nonstandard game and would not be added".  So my question is why is: Is it nonstandard because you pick 5 numbers instead of 4 like the Big 4??

            Thanks for answering.

            cbreeze8

            Oh, OK.

            I understand their opinions, but I disagree with their terminology.

            Although Quinto is different than other games, I reserve the term "non-standard" to mean lotto games that use something other than numbers for at least part of the results.  (At Lottery Post I use the term "Non-Traditional", although Non-Standard is close enough.)

            For example, the multi-state game Wild Card 2 is considered Non-Traditional because the drawing results consist of 5 numbers plus a playing card. (Like "Jack of Clubs".)

            It can be difficult to integrate a completely new type of number matrix like Quinto, but I certainly don't think the reason for not supporting the game should be that it is "non-standard".

            It is actually a business decision: is it financially beneficial to put in the programming effort required for a completely new game matrix?  i.e., are there enough people playing Quinto to be worth it.

            The way I personally look at things at Lottery Post is that I support every game, no matter what.  So if a new type of game comes out, I will display the results, maintain the history of drawings, display statistics, and provide the ability to search the past drawings -- at the very least. 

            And that's exactly what I did for Quinto.

            It was a lot of work, but the day the game started all four of those things were available at Lottery Post.  Quinto results were available here even before they appeared on the government's official site.

            For the Lottery Post results search engine, it sees Quinto as a daily numbers game (like Pick 3 and Pick 4), and provides the appropriate straight/box search options.  Most sites would see Quinto as a 5-number game and provide searching that was more suitable for a traditional Pick 5-style game, which it is not.

            The search engine also provides some awesome partial-match searches, which is also unique.  That feature has also been available from the start.

            I personally don't think any major product developer in the lottery industry should refuse to support a game just because it would require effort to support it.  They owe it to their customers to support all of them, or the customer should go elsewhere.

             

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              Posted: September 26, 2008, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

              Todd, even though this is slightly off topic, how is it that you are able to grab all the results from lotteries all over the world almost instantly? Have you been granted a read-only account to a (or a few) official databases? I was just always curious how the database logistics worked in this situation.

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                Posted: September 26, 2008, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

                Todd, even though this is slightly off topic, how is it that you are able to grab all the results from lotteries all over the world almost instantly? Have you been granted a read-only account to a (or a few) official databases? I was just always curious how the database logistics worked in this situation.

                That would be what is referred to as a "trade secret".

                 

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                  Posted: September 26, 2008, 7:57 pm - IP Logged

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                    Posted: September 26, 2008, 8:35 pm - IP Logged

                    Hello Todd,

                    I subscribe to Lotto Pro and I noticed that they had not created a database for the Quinto games.  When I asked why they hadn't, their reply was: "Quinto is a nonstandard game and would not be added".  So my question is why is: Is it nonstandard because you pick 5 numbers instead of 4 like the Big 4??

                    Thanks for answering.

                    cbreeze8

                    I can understand why Lotto Pro (John Lake) was reluctant to rewrite his program for one game.  Lotto Pro is a general purpose lottery program that handles  standard games (pick3,pick4,pick5/20-60,pick6/20-60 and possible a bonus number) which are played in most states under different names. 

                    When Lot'O Play came out in Ohio which had a pool of 100 number, I rewrote my program to handle 100 numbers and redesigned the part that simulate the play slips of the games that I play and eliminated some features that worked fine for 60 or less numbers but not for 100.  Every time I've rewritten a routine in my program, I've introduced all kinds of bugs which takes a while to catch and correct.  Shortly after I finished revising the program and catching most of the bugs, the game was eliminated.  I doubt if any other state will ever have a similar game so it was a lot of work for nothing.

                    I started out using Lotto Pro, but now I use a program I wrote myself using GWBasic because I can add features that I like for the games that I play and they just wouldn't be practical in a general purpose program.

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                      Posted: September 26, 2008, 9:13 pm - IP Logged

                      I inquired at a software site if they were going to make a quinto program available.

                      They responded that it would not be available at this time being the game is only available in one state.
                      If other states follow with a quinto game they would reconsider their decision to write a program for the quinto game.

                      So my guess is you could also call the quinto game as being unique.

                      Of course Todd is on top of all this by having quinto data available here at Lottery Post. Big Grin

                      Oo'Ka

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                        Posted: September 26, 2008, 9:28 pm - IP Logged

                        I inquired at a software site if they were going to make a quinto program available.

                        They responded that it would not be available at this time being the game is only available in one state.
                        If other states follow with a quinto game they would reconsider their decision to write a program for the quinto game.

                        So my guess is you could also call the quinto game as being unique.

                        Of course Todd is on top of all this by having quinto data available here at Lottery Post. Big Grin

                        I was interested in using the quinto program for the cash 5 game tracking the last digit in the cash 5 number.

                        Oo'Ka

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                          Posted: September 27, 2008, 9:03 am - IP Logged

                          To Todd, JAP69, BobP and others,

                          Thanks for all of your input.  I really appreciate that there are so many knowlegeable people on LP from which to get information.  The main reason that I was waiting so patiently for Lotto Pro was because I  need a wheeling system for Quinto.  Since one won't be coming anytime soon, I'll try the 5 number wheels here and just ignore the '0' and see how that works. 

                          Thanks again,

                          cbreeze8