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• rayal

  

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  Hi !
  
  Little historic. Just being retired. Having earn some good amounts at the loteries over the years.
  
  But now having time to look at every angle my favorite play, which is "banco" here in Quebec, a sort of what they call "keno" in various game in US. The banco have a field of 70 numbers. Most of time I play 4 numbers, what give 100.$ as earn for a perfect play, be a 4/4 .  I do work with the program LMVB4.0 but just notice recently that the program did not make these kind of calculation. And it it too long to manualy calcul it.
  
  But now i am looking for the mathematic formula to calcul "how many combination could be done with numbers 1 to 16 and totalizing the sum of 26 and this just for instance. Because i would do the work with various sums.
  
  If somebody knows that formula or could refer me to a site when i could catch this formula , i would appreciate very much. The best would be to get a program that will effectively display all the combinations found. So if you could refer me such program i will greatly appreciate it.
  
  Thanks in advance and good luck to all of you with your favorite game.
  
  P.S: I am of french speaking, so don't be to hard if i do not have the exact expression or word to exprime my thinking.
  
  Rayal.
  
  
• Stew12

  

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  I had posted some software I created a few weeks back, which should do some of what you are asking.  Feel free to give it a test.

  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/186686
• rayal

  

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  I did upload your little program which from informations given (as per the display) looks to be very useful. But could not install it. I read about some issues reported in your thread and so i had also installed the windows installer 3.1 , but same i could not open the program. I hope there will be a version that will be easier to instal.
  
  Have good time with your work on it.
  
  Rayal.
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  Yes I will have to work on an installer package for the program.  It won't take long, just have to get around to it this week sometime.  I will keep you posted.
• rayal

  

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  Thank Stew12,
  
  Appreciate very much your follow up. I am in haste to experience how usefull it could be. Presently I work with LMVB4.0 which program you surely know and which i like very much . But just realize that there are few "bugs" with some features or functions it offers and reported to the author that informs it should be corrected  but in an unknown future following  "healthy issue".
  
  So just awaiting your last release. Have good time , and thanks again,
  
  Rayal
  
  
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  No prob!  I should be able to throw an installer package together for this evening.
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  I've never done anything with sums for Keno, even though I've been tempted to do so at times. The main problem is with the sheer number of possibilities in the game. Even in a 20/70 matrix there are 161,884,603,662,657,876 possible combinations, while in the more common 20/80 matrix, there are 3,535,316,142,212,174,320 possible combinations. In the 20/70 game sums range from 210 to 1,210, in the 20/80 game the sums range from 210 to 1,410. Given this, the most common sum in the 20/70 game would be 710 and, in the 20/80 game, 810.

  If, however, you're only concerned with the sum of the 10 numbers you're going to choose, that makes the task relatively easier. In the 20/70 game there are 396,704,524,216 different 10-number possibilities, in the 20/80 game there are 1,646,492,110,120. In the 20/70 game sums of these can range from 55 to 655, with the most common sum being 355. In the 20/80 game sums of these can range from 55 to 755, with the most common sum being 405.

  There would have to be a lot of computer time expended to come up with the exact figures, and that's the main drawback for me.

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• rayal

  

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  John,
  You perfectly right when writing about the to numberous possibilities about sums , particulary with a game that has 70 numbers in its field. So like any lottery game you have to see the best pattern to increase your odds. So why i do bet mostly not exceeding 6 numbers which worth  1,000.$ for a perfect match 6/6  or 25.$ for a 5/6 , still not bad to refund oftently what you spend in tickets, my average being 5 tickets a day. Here the cost is 1.$ by play and a coupon afford you to play 5 plays. So like any game lottery you must study various patterns to well know the best averages coming. I did it, and beleive me quite detailed since i play "banco" around 1989. Just for instance the average sum for the first 4 positions is 32, when the minimum is 10, and if you well follow the various cicles for the unities (1-9), and various ten , the ten, the twenty, thirty etc..your chances will still grow, etc..Now if you focus your play with a specific "target" or if you want a "key", like expecting the number (2) for like you know many reasons, and looking the historic with said number et so on.. you still increase your odds to get a 4/4 . At first with any knowledge how to proceed you chance is limited to 1/189 but applying some "theories" to increase your odds are coming pretty hight. What is funny with this lottery is that you can put 10.$ on play, so it gives you 1,000.$ when you succeed in a perfect match of 4/4. My best year is having won 9 times 1,000.$ , 9,000.$ that way. If you play now the 6/6 you proceed the same way. The odd for the 6/6 is 1/3,830 but considerably increase when you still follow , step by step, the process to increase your odds. It is as far i am concerned the best lottery where your odds are so interesting if you compare for instance to the 6/49 where your odds are near 1/14 millions. Just make a study on the half of the field, it means to play only number 1 up 35, cutting half the total field. You will be surprised  of your various discoveries and specifically . Quite far from what could be the first price at a 6/49 game but also quite far for what it give you in probability of winning. The "trap" with the big lottery like 6/49 is to be to much attracted by the "big price" . The "jack pot" mostlt offers by a 6/49 game make people "blind", cupidity is there the "biggest trap" , in fact the lottery affair well know it and play on it, it just to be hoist with one's own petard " . So why i prefer to play "banco" for consistently wins , not big, but enough to realy to continue playing without "paying" because in "profit" . This doesn't prevent to play sometimes for a big game and particularly when the 6/49 reachs very big "jack pot", why not, the chance still remain there.  Anyway everything remains a personal choice, and mine was clearly directed by my various searches and discoveries with the banco, which remain my favorite game and for reasons exposed here above, and in summarise when i declare to be an usual winner. And now I am retired, so my studies will be intensified about my favorite game, same if it just to catch an additional information that could increase of 5-10% my odds, which will be still "SUPER" . And all that, does not mean to put away that a "big price" is coming for me, my dream like any players. 
  
  For the best to everyone,
  
  Rayal.
  
  
• johnph77

  

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  Since you play the Banco game with a 20/70 matrix I'll confine my comments in this thread to that game only.

  There are 131,115,985 different 6-number combinations available. In each 20-number draw there will be 38,760 combinations that will match 6/6. Odds of hitting this bet are 1::3,382.77.

  Sums of any 6-number combination will range from 21 to 405, with the midpoint, 213, being the most common. I've already done a sums chart on a 6/70 lottery matrix, and that would yield the same results here. Link:

  http://www.johnph77.com/math/ls.html#c6070

  No ads, nothing to sell, for informational purposes only.

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  Just as easy to post the entire chart here.....

   

  Sum	Frequency		Sum	Frequency		Sum	Frequency		Sum	Frequency		Sum	Frequency		Sum	Frequency
  21	1	86	28008	150	475878	214	1069284	278	450941	342	24473
  22	1	87	29939	151	488565	215	1068716	279	438711	343	22856
  23	2	88	31939	152	501253	216	1067579	280	426510	344	21301
  24	3	89	34078	153	514144	217	1066156	281	414549	345	19858
  25	5	90	36296	154	527008	218	1064167	282	402640	346	18467
  26	7	91	38658	155	540060	219	1061907	283	390973	347	17180
  27	11	92	41105	156	553073	220	1059076	284	379373	348	15944
  28	14	93	43710	157	566250	221	1055980	285	368030	349	14800
  29	20	94	46401	158	579366	222	1052331	286	356759	350	13702
  30	26	95	49259	159	592637	223	1048414	287	345752	351	12692
  31	35	96	52214	160	605817	224	1043954	288	334836	352	11720
  32	44	97	55341	161	619134	225	1039246	289	324182	353	10829
  33	58	98	58570	162	632345	226	1033995	290	313629	354	9975
  34	71	99	61985	163	645666	227	1028507	291	303349	355	9192
  35	90	100	65503	164	658858	228	1022500	292	293172	356	8442
  36	110	101	69216	165	672149	229	1016258	293	283271	357	7760
  37	136	102	73042	166	685278	230	1009511	294	273487	358	7104
  38	163	103	77067	167	698486	231	1002553	295	263974	359	6510
  39	199	104	81210	168	711517	232	995096	296	254585	360	5942
  40	235	105	85566	169	724598	233	987443	297	245474	361	5427
  41	282	106	90039	170	737477	234	979318	298	236485	362	4935
  42	331	107	94733	171	750394	235	971003	299	227774	363	4494
  43	391	108	99554	172	763076	236	962235	300	219196	364	4070
  44	454	109	104599	173	775775	237	953304	301	210888	365	3692
  45	532	110	109774	174	788223	238	943929	302	202716	366	3331
  46	612	111	115186	175	800658	239	934409	303	194818	367	3009
  47	709	112	120726	176	812818	240	924476	304	187052	368	2702
  48	811	113	126510	177	824953	241	914407	305	179557	369	2432
  49	931	114	132430	178	836779	242	903946	306	172201	370	2172
  50	1057	115	138595	179	848559	243	893378	307	165106	371	1945
  51	1206	116	144898	180	860016	244	882431	308	158151	372	1729
  52	1360	117	151458	181	871397	245	871397	309	151458	373	1540
  53	1540	118	158151	182	882431	246	860016	310	144898	374	1360
  54	1729	119	165106	183	893378	247	848559	311	138595	375	1206
  55	1945	120	172201	184	903946	248	836779	312	132430	376	1057
  56	2172	121	179557	185	914407	249	824953	313	126510	377	931
  57	2432	122	187052	186	924476	250	812818	314	120726	378	811
  58	2702	123	194818	187	934409	251	800658	315	115186	379	709
  59	3009	124	202716	188	943929	252	788223	316	109774	380	612
  60	3331	125	210888	189	953304	253	775775	317	104599	381	532
  61	3692	126	219196	190	962235	254	763076	318	99554	382	454
  62	4070	127	227774	191	971003	255	750394	319	94733	383	391
  63	4494	128	236485	192	979318	256	737477	320	90039	384	331
  64	4935	129	245474	193	987443	257	724598	321	85566	385	282
  65	5427	130	254585	194	995096	258	711517	322	81210	386	235
  66	5942	131	263974	195	1002553	259	698486	323	77067	387	199
  67	6510	132	273487	196	1009511	260	685278	324	73042	388	163
  68	7104	133	283271	197	1016258	261	672149	325	69216	389	136
  69	7760	134	293172	198	1022500	262	658858	326	65503	390	110
  70	8442	135	303349	199	1028507	263	645666	327	61985	391	90
  71	9192	136	313629	200	1033995	264	632345	328	58570	392	71
  72	9975	137	324182	201	1039246	265	619134	329	55341	393	58
  73	10829	138	334836	202	1043954	266	605817	330	52214	394	44
  74	11720	139	345752	203	1048414	267	592637	331	49259	395	35
  75	12692	140	356759	204	1052331	268	579366	332	46401	396	26
  76	13702	141	368030	205	1055980	269	566250	333	43710	397	20
  77	14800	142	379373	206	1059076	270	553073	334	41105	398	14
  78	15944	143	390973	207	1061907	271	540060	335	38658	399	11
  79	17180	144	402640	208	1064167	272	527008	336	36296	400	7
  80	18467	145	414549	209	1066156	273	514144	337	34078	401	5
  81	19858	146	426510	210	1067579	274	501253	338	31939	402	3
  82	21301	147	438711	211	1068716	275	488565	339	29939	403	2
  83	22856	148	450941	212	1069284	276	475878	340	28008	404	1
  84	24473	149	463400	213	1069575	277	463400	341	26207	405	1
  85	26207

  Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

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• rayal

  

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  Thank you Johnph77
  
  Very interesting chart. But the main thing for an advertised player is to  do not become confused with all statistics, patterns etc for all the yield of a particular lottery. To avoid to become too lost, so why must be make a choice and be concentrated on it. For the banco with is 70 field numbers, and particularly because i play most oftently a 6 spot numbers, i reduce my field to a maximum of 20 numbers when i target the number 1, a maximum of 24 numbers when i target the number 2 etc.. an from it targetting some sums more than others, if more expected.  Always to reduce the field , normaly i don't to over the target number 5. And when spotting 4 numbers it is decreasing as well the field of numbers to play and so on. Various observations (one of the master key) regarding historic or past results and pattern used are helping so well to make some good 4/4 , 5/5 and sometimes a nice 6/6 . Avoid to become confusing  with all numbers that could contain a game like Banco (70 numbers) or  Keno with its 80 numbers instead 70), invite for sure any experienced player to reduce the field and to keep going on one track rather than two or more . It just like to try to follow 2 rabbits rather than one, in that way the hunter increase it chance to catch one, being concentrate on its target. Making various "trap" with (6) numbers or less , a good mix with "hot+cold+medium and friends numbers" are one part of the success. As far I am concerned  you definitly not have to go too far in studying lottery tips to get success. But if success for one it to get the jackpot with a 10/20 numbers, then GOOD LUCK than ever, because this result more than PURE LUCK  same if  you studdy any technic or strategies.  One time i did have this kind of luck, having have well guessed (helped for sure with my various statistics on the follow up of the various numbers) 14 numbers on a total of 14 numbers that i wheeled, yes a 14/14 . For sure all my combinations 4/4 , 5/5, and 6/6 were right because wheeled from these good 14 numbers. It happen 6 years ago and did not succeed again this own exploit. If i had put on a slip a spot of 10 number, yes the "jackpot" was there. This to conclude that it is a game, and remains a play ! And if it is a big risk when you play for the jackpot it is also a "risk" when you do not play for it when your  choiced numbers are all displayed on the board. Main thing is that sort of hobby keep you enjoy like others will play with cross-word, not more !  Finally i hope that STEW 12 will be back with his last release regarding it wheeled system, it help for sure when you look for specific target of sum and all combinations being associated.
  
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  To Stew12
  I have tried to write through the personal board, but without success.
  Indeed, just realize that messages i have sent you today are not displayed. Don't know why ? But i think you cannot share "big" here from personal board, cannot you ? Anyway, regarding your wheeling system, the completion will be your time. Time like in lotto is our best allied, so when it will be ready, it will be just the best time, that's all !
  
  Have a good time !
  
  Rayal