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A Digit out in a certain position

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tungsten chef's avatar - nw dwarf5.jpg
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Posted: February 22, 2009, 2:53 pm - IP Logged

after being out 77 days, western canada finally got digit 1 in the 3rd position. indiana midday waited for 72 draws before it got digit 6 in the 2nd position.

i don't have much stats to go on, but i'm thinking the 70 to 80 range might be the high average for a digit in a certain position to show up. i'm sure in the past some might have went longer, but doubt if they went over 100 days.

does anyone know where i can get stats for this?? if you have versabet, how can i search for long out straights with the digit in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd position??

the chase is on in nebraska for digit 0 in 3rd position. it's out 83 days. california evening has the digit 0, also in 3rd position, out 63 days.

any thoughts or/and replies will be greatly appreciated.

    WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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    Thanks very much Tungsten chef !  Did not know about those . 

     Ofcourse 1 position digits are good because they cut down the odds at hitting a straight but.....  I sure do hate catching them early.  I know it is a 1 in 4 chance at finally getting one with a DOUBLE ....like in the case of WC's digit 1 last night ....181....but it's a "cheap date"  way to track and hunt those bad boys. Plus .....better shot at a straight hit with a double with a 1 postion digit missing.  Only one way with a double ....as oppossed to a Single number ... 32 1  or  23 1   

      (Any number group) that is over the tardy line ....with what I call the " Magic Six times due "  is on very thin ice. The reason I refer to it as the Magic Six times due .....is it alway seems to happen in or around that figure most ....... times .  Most of the time that is ...when most stinkers are already long out .....they cave in around there ( 6 times over average due ). 

      There is ....and was a math forum demo on this very thing ...Magic Six deal ....in the Math forum a year or so ago.     

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

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                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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      a$VeryLuckyMan's avatar - spherewall
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      The digit 4 in the front went 90 draws in NC before it popped last month, so I emailed a question to Dr. Math to see what the probability was of it going that long without showing up.....here is his answer:

      As I wrote to Dr. Math

      On 01/15/2009 at 10:27:04 (Eastern Time),

      >[Question]

      >What is the probability in a random draw of 10 digits 0-9 that 0ne of

      >the #'s doesn't get picked for 90 draws?

      >[Difficulty]

      >I know the probability of any draw is 10% scientifically, however at

      >what point does this change?  How is it possible that a certain # does

      >not show up for that many draws?

      >There has got to be some point that it is mathmatically impossible.

      >[Thoughts]

       

      Hi,

       

      Thanks for writing to Dr. Math.

       

      It never becomes impossible.  It can, however, become very unlikely.

      That's the thing about probability.  Highly unlikely doesn't mean impossible.

       

      The probability that a certain number does not show up in a single draw is 0.9 (90%).

       

      So, the probability it doesn't get drawn 90 times in a row is 0.9^90,

      or: 0.000076 (0.0076%).

       

      This is unlikely but not impossible.  For reference, this is higher than the probability of getting hit by lightning in the next year. And much higher than the probability of hitting a lottery jackpot.

       

      Even if you were to specify 1000000 draws in a row, the probability goes down, but it never becomes impossible.

       

      - Doctor Roy, The Math Forum

        <http://mathforum.org/dr.math/>

       

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      Be ready when opportunity comes...Luck is the time when preparation and opportunity meet.

      All of us have bad luck and good luck. The man who persists through the bad luck - who keeps right on going - is the man who is there when the good luck comes - and is ready to receive it.Lep

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        tungsten chef's avatar - nw dwarf5.jpg
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        California evening digit 0 out 63 days in 3rd position. Using Versabet these are the most out straights. I started at 900 draws out....

        230..260...340...410...450...460...530...560...610...

        700...790...810...830...640...660...840..850...890

        900...910...950...970...210...080...020

        these are from 2700 to 2900+out

        010...110..

        and 4 longgggggggggggggg outs...

        740 out 3252....990 out 3244...690 out 3503

        280 out 5908 days.


          a$VeryLuckyMan's avatar - spherewall
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          My whole system for picking #'s is based on what is:

          DUE: how many draws since that digit showed up in that position

          Laggers 100: How many times in the last 100 draws has the #'s showed up

          Laggers 200: how mant times in the last 100 draws has the #'s shoed up

          I find once a digit goes about 3.5x or in pick three about 35 draws, the # falls.  yes they can and have gone longer, but generally speaking the fall at that point.  I track it in my state every day.

          By playing the 2 most overdue #;'s in a position, you increase your odds dramatically.  Especially when you compare them to what they have done for the last 100 and 200 draws respectively, and tracking missing front and back pairs.  With all this information you will definitely increase your odds and get some hits.

          Be ready when opportunity comes...Luck is the time when preparation and opportunity meet.

          All of us have bad luck and good luck. The man who persists through the bad luck - who keeps right on going - is the man who is there when the good luck comes - and is ready to receive it.Lep

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

            a$VeryLuckyMan's avatar - spherewall
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            California evening digit 0 out 63 days in 3rd position. Using Versabet these are the most out straights. I started at 900 draws out....

            230..260...340...410...450...460...530...560...610...

            700...790...810...830...640...660...840..850...890

            900...910...950...970...210...080...020

            these are from 2700 to 2900+out

            010...110..

            and 4 longgggggggggggggg outs...

            740 out 3252....990 out 3244...690 out 3503

            280 out 5908 days.


            wow, that is incredible.

            I went to wisconsin for a golf trip, so before I left I downloaded their entire history and found 3 #'s that had NEVER HIT, and they have done pick three for a long time. 

            They were 267, 736, 866.

            Sept 21st 1992 is when it started, 5840 draws!!!!

            I haven't checked since sept of 2008 to see if they have hit, but they didn't hit while I was there!!

            Be ready when opportunity comes...Luck is the time when preparation and opportunity meet.

            All of us have bad luck and good luck. The man who persists through the bad luck - who keeps right on going - is the man who is there when the good luck comes - and is ready to receive it.Lep

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

              Amazing Grace's avatar - lion
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              after being out 77 days, western canada finally got digit 1 in the 3rd position. indiana midday waited for 72 draws before it got digit 6 in the 2nd position.

              i don't have much stats to go on, but i'm thinking the 70 to 80 range might be the high average for a digit in a certain position to show up. i'm sure in the past some might have went longer, but doubt if they went over 100 days.

              does anyone know where i can get stats for this?? if you have versabet, how can i search for long out straights with the digit in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd position??

              the chase is on in nebraska for digit 0 in 3rd position. it's out 83 days. california evening has the digit 0, also in 3rd position, out 63 days.

              any thoughts or/and replies will be greatly appreciated.

              TC only a hand ful have made it past 100

              110 is the longest it it was CT

              I went through all states

              most crater before 80.

              Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

                Amazing Grace's avatar - lion
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                TC only a hand ful have made it past 100

                110 is the longest it it was CT

                I went through all states

                most crater before 80.

                Connecticut

                x5x 110 draws

                midday

                longest out in 2930 days of history

                Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

                  Amazing Grace's avatar - lion
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                  Connecticut

                  x5x 110 draws

                  midday

                  longest out in 2930 days of history

                  Fri Aug 4, 2006ConnecticutMidday 30-5-1
                  Thu Mar 2, 2006ConnecticutMidday 30-5-4

                  Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

                    WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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                    TC .......found that Math forum subject about the "Magic 6 times" the normal average hit rate ....for any number or group of numbers. Hope it helps.

                                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/164451/912109?q=magic+6&rp=search

                     

                     

                    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                           Win d    

                      JAP69's avatar - alas
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                      " if you have versabet, how can i search for long out straights with the digit in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd position??"

                      Go to sort display.
                      Select position desired.
                      Hi lite desired digit by position.
                      Leave hi-lited

                      go to report for str8 combos

                      This will pull your str8 for that digit by position.

                      I did the digit 0 in first position here for S.C.

                      I selected skips acending order for easier read.


                      Straight Combo Report for SC3 M&E.DMG: All 1000 Combos       02-22-2009       433 Records

                                           Hit       Hit      Current      Skip      Most
                       COMBO     Hits      Avg     Median      Skips        Avg       Out      Due
                      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      0 6 5         3     144.3      292          0        143.3      291         
                      0 9 7         4     108.3       82          1        107.0      200         
                      0 3 9         4     108.3      116          2        106.8      186         
                      0 5 3         4     108.3       88          3        106.5      248         
                      0 3 3         5      86.6       78          4         84.8      182         
                      0 0 2         2     216.5      214          5        213.0      381         
                      0 6 8         4     108.3      104          6        105.8      185         
                      0 6 1         4     108.3       76          7        105.5      224         
                      0 5 2         3     144.3      297          8        140.7      296         
                      0 0 8         5      86.6       53          9         83.8      301         
                      0 2 9         5      86.6       42         10         83.6      211         
                      0 5 5         4     108.3       72         11        104.5      271         
                      0 3 0         4     108.3      113         12        104.3      117         
                      0 0 6         7      61.9       73         13         59.0       82         
                      0 4 1         8      54.1       38         14         51.4      124         
                      0 9 2        13      33.3       17         15         31.2       79      Yes
                      0 2 2         6      72.2       51         16         68.5      145         
                      0 4 7        10      43.3       38         17         40.6       98         
                      0 1 4         3     144.3      180         18        137.3      179         
                      0 8 7         6      72.2       40         19         68.0      239         
                      0 9 4         5      86.6       61         20         81.6      152         
                      0 7 0         5      86.6       64         21         81.4      144         
                      0 1 0         3     144.3      245         22        136.0      244         
                      0 0 9         5      86.6       87         23         81.0      156         
                      0 0 3         2     216.5      204         24        203.5      365         
                      0 2 5         7      61.9       78         25         57.3      148         
                      0 9 5         9      48.1       30         31         43.7       88         
                      0 2 7         2     216.5      200         32        199.5      309         
                      0 4 2         3     144.3      226         33        132.3      225         
                      0 5 4         6      72.2       47         34         65.5      122         
                      0 9 9         6      72.2       50         35         65.3      166         
                      0 8 6         7      61.9       50         36         55.7      196         
                      0 0 1         5      86.6       72         37         78.2      124         
                      0 9 6         6      72.2       49         40         64.5      179         
                      0 1 3         9      48.1       32         41         42.6      105         
                      0 7 6         5      86.6       43         44         76.8      232         
                      0 0 5         4     108.3       69         46         95.8      209         
                      0 7 9         6      72.2       72         47         63.3      104         
                      0 8 9         6      72.2       51         48         63.2      181      Yes
                      0 4 5         6      72.2       56         49         63.0      120         
                      0 7 2         5      86.6       17         51         75.4      177         
                      0 2 4         6      72.2       51         52         62.5      136         
                      0 3 7         7      61.9       69         53         53.3      146         
                      0 3 8         3     144.3      241         54        125.3      240         
                      0 6 7         4     108.3       61         55         93.5      232         
                      0 4 8         8      54.1       45         56         46.1      117         
                      0 1 6         1     433.0      433         57        375.0      375         
                      0 7 3         4     108.3       47         58         92.8      263         
                      0 4 4         6      72.2       65         59         61.3      100         
                      0 9 3         4     108.3       61         60         92.3      225      Yes
                      0 4 6         2     216.5      184         65        183.0      193         
                      0 4 0         4     108.3       98         66         90.8      160         
                      0 8 5         4     108.3       83         68         90.3      150         
                      0 9 8         4     108.3       75         71         89.5      198      Yes
                      0 5 9         3     144.3      227         72        119.3      226         
                      0 2 3         6      72.2       68         82         57.5       94         
                      0 7 5         9      48.1       30         83         37.9      100         
                      0 5 6         3     144.3      177         84        115.3      176         
                      0 4 3         5      86.6       94         90         67.6      112      Yes
                      0 5 0         4     108.3       90         92         84.3      148         
                      0 9 1         6      72.2       54         93         55.7      135         
                      0 5 1         2     216.5      169         94        168.5      279         
                      0 0 0         8      54.1       32         98         40.9      118         
                      0 2 8         1     433.0      433        102        330.0      330         
                      0 7 7         3     144.3      201        104        108.7      200         
                      0 5 7         3     144.3      173        105        108.3      172         
                      0 7 4         4     108.3       80        107         80.5      144         
                      0 6 0         7      61.9       71        108         45.4      108         
                      0 8 1         2     216.5      161        111        160.0      245         
                      0 6 6         1     433.0      433        112        320.0      320         
                      0 1 1         4     108.3       78        113         79.0      140         
                      0 1 7         4     108.3       67        114         78.8      169         
                      0 4 9         5      86.6       22        124         60.8      162         
                      0 1 2         7      61.9       45        125         43.0      142      Yes
                      0 8 2         4     108.3       73        126         75.8      126         
                      0 8 3         2     216.5      152        128        151.5      252         
                      0 3 4         3     144.3      111        133         99.0      133         
                      0 6 3         5      86.6       31        135         58.6      191         
                      0 7 8         2     216.5      146        140        145.5      243         
                      0 3 5         5      86.6       42        141         57.4      167         
                      0 3 2         1     433.0      433        143        289.0      289         
                      0 1 8         2     216.5      142        149        141.0      221         
                      0 2 0         5      86.6       54        156         54.4      156         
                      0 9 0         3     144.3      148        167         87.7      167         
                      0 6 2         3     144.3      139        168         87.3      168         
                      0 0 7         5      86.6       62        176         50.4      176      Yes
                      0 8 0         3     144.3      168        177         84.3      177         
                      0 8 4         4     108.3       51        198         57.8      198         
                      0 2 6         4     108.3       26        199         57.5      199         
                      0 6 4         1     433.0      433        204        228.0      228         
                      0 6 9         5      86.6       24        212         43.2      212      Yes
                      0 0 4         3     144.3      161        213         72.3      213         
                      0 8 8         4     108.3       37        222         51.8      222      Yes
                      0 7 1         2     216.5      102        229        101.0      229         
                      0 3 6         1     433.0      433        265        167.0      265         
                      0 5 8         2     216.5       81        271         80.0      271         
                      0 3 1         1     433.0      433        321        111.0      321         
                      0 1 9         1     433.0      433        327        105.0      327         
                      0 2 1         1     433.0      433        349         83.0      349         
                      0 1 5         1     433.0      433        431          1.0      431      Yes

                      Oo'Ka


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                        Posted: February 22, 2009, 7:44 pm - IP Logged

                        Wow, I've never used it but why does that program cost so much?  Does it do anything mine doesnt?

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                          Posted: February 22, 2009, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

                          Wow, I've never used it but why does that program cost so much?  Does it do anything mine doesnt?

                          it's a fabulous statistical program. i'm sure you could probably do everything with pencil and paper, but it would take up a lot of your time. they also give free weekly updatesfrom the day you buy it.


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                            Posted: February 22, 2009, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

                            it's a fabulous statistical program. i'm sure you could probably do everything with pencil and paper, but it would take up a lot of your time. they also give free weekly updatesfrom the day you buy it.

                            Just seems like it cost a lot, have you used mine?  Does it offer a lot more information?

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                              Posted: February 22, 2009, 7:55 pm - IP Logged

                              TC ....Just FYI  I went back to the first draw 7/4/1998 using LOTSOFT CA EVE draws ......and found 27 straights that have never hit straight in all that time.  Only one left standing that had a digit zero in 3rd position.

                               

                                038, 081,

                               105, 118, 134, 136, 161,

                               231, 280,    The oldest Zero fit...Bad Boy out 3,882 draws ......as are all of these because they never hit .

                              336, 343, 383,

                               418,

                               544, 561, 569, 592,

                               626, 679, 696, 698,

                              741, 744,

                              848, 883, 896,

                              963

                               

                               

                              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                     Win d