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Do you know how many numbers ...no digit returns gives n P3 ?

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  Not counting doubles .....

       When no digits return from the previous draw......  there are only 35 boxes to play to win.   Patriot

        See....  Assume the last draw was 012 ..... then if none of those digits return next draw....there are only 35 Boxes to play for the Box win. 

                                                                    35 singles Only. 

   345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 356, 357, 358, 359, 367,

   368, 369, 378, 379, 389, 456, 457, 458, 459, 467,

   468, 469, 478, 479, 489, 567, 568, 569, 578, 579, 589, 678, 679, 689, 789

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        When no digits return from the previous draw ... there are only  210 Straights to play or consider.

                                                          210 total straight singles

       345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 354, 356, 357, 358, 359, 364, 365, 367, 368, 369, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 384, 385, 386, 387, 389, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 453, 456, 457, 458, 459, 463, 465, 467, 468, 469, 473, 475, 476, 478, 479, 483, 485, 486, 487, 489, 493, 495, 496, 497, 498, 534, 536, 537, 538, 539, 543, 546, 547, 548, 549, 563, 564, 567, 568, 569, 573, 574, 576, 578, 579, 583, 584, 586, 587, 589, 593, 594, 596, 597, 598, 634, 635, 637, 638, 639, 643, 645, 647, 648, 649, 653, 654, 657, 658, 659, 673, 674, 675, 678, 679, 683, 684, 685, 687, 689, 693, 694, 695, 697, 698, 734, 735, 736, 738, 739, 743, 745, 746, 748, 749, 753, 754, 756, 758, 759, 763, 764, 765, 768, 769, 783, 784, 785, 786, 789, 793, 794, 795, 796, 798, 834, 835, 836, 837, 839, 843, 845, 846, 847, 849, 853, 854, 856, 857, 859, 863, 864, 865, 867, 869, 873, 874, 875, 876, 879, 893, 894, 895, 896, 897, 934, 935, 936, 937, 938, 943, 945, 946, 947, 948, 953, 954, 956, 957, 958, 963, 964, 965, 967, 968, 973, 974, 975, 976, 978, 983, 984, 985, 986, 987

     Not that we would play all 210 online each day.....but we could for 52.50 .....and win ....225.00 dollars.  Hmmm  We could play it that way for 4 days in a row.  If we wanted to ....  

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

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      That would be a big reduction in potential numbers if we could guess which 3 won't return on the next draw. Hey...it normally happens once or twice a week.

      Suppose we did pick 3 digits that would not return on the next draw....and then......pick just one more digit that wouldn't show either.  That would be 4 of the digits now that wouldn't show on the next draw ....                         How many Straights would that give us to play ? 

     

      Say the number was 012.... and our fouth digit was 3 that wouldn't show up.  That gives us these below.

                                                             No digits ... 0, 1, 2,  &  3

                                                         Only  120 straights to consider

     456, 457, 458, 459, 465, 467, 468, 469, 475, 476, 478, 479, 485, 486, 487, 489, 495, 496, 497, 498, 546, 547, 548, 549, 564, 567, 568, 569, 574, 576, 578, 579, 584, 586, 587, 589, 594, 596, 597, 598, 645, 647, 648, 649, 654, 657, 658, 659, 674, 675, 678, 679, 684, 685, 687, 689, 694, 695, 697, 698, 745, 746, 748, 749, 754, 756, 758, 759, 764, 765, 768, 769, 784, 785, 786, 789, 794, 795, 796, 798, 845, 846, 847, 849, 854, 856, 857, 859, 864, 865, 867, 869, 874, 875, 876, 879, 894, 895, 896, 897, 945, 946, 947, 948, 954, 956, 957, 958, 964, 965, 967, 968, 974, 975, 976, 978, 984, 985, 986, 987

        I know you want to know how many Straights it would take to win Straight.... if you guessed 5 digits ....that wouldn't show up on the next draw.

                                  If you guessed 0,1,2,...and 3,,4  would not show next draw   

               It would take only 60 Straights .... x .25 cents = $15.oo bucks per day win 225.oo    Thumbs Up

       567, 568, 569, 576, 578, 579, 586, 587, 589, 596, 597, 598, 657, 658, 659, 675, 678, 679, 685, 687, 689, 695, 697, 698, 756, 758, 759, 765, 768, 769, 785, 786, 789, 795, 796, 798, 856, 857, 859, 865, 867, 869, 875, 876, 879, 895, 896, 897, 956, 957, 958, 965, 967, 968, 975, 976, 978, 985, 986, 987

                       Try guessing 5 digits that won't show up next draw ...... if your real good at it...

                                                Call 1-800 - win d greed  !     LOL

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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      The chance of not getting any of the digits from the previous drawing is about the same as getting them.


      The statistics for Western Canada are as follows.

      Number total:  6022 numbers

      Numbers in next drawing:  3582 times

      3582/6022 = .59% of the time

      ...So around 60% of the time numbers appear in the next drawing.

      Now for a number coming back in the same exact position the next drawing.

      Number total:  6022 numbers

      Next drawing same position:  1584 times

      1584/6022 = .26% of the time

       

       

      So....after you narrow down your plays it would be wise to eliminate numbers that contain digits in the same position as the previous drawing.

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          That would be a big reduction in potential numbers if we could guess which 3 won't return on the next draw. Hey...it normally happens once or twice a week.

          Suppose we did pick 3 digits that would not return on the next draw....and then......pick just one more digit that wouldn't show either.  That would be 4 of the digits now that wouldn't show on the next draw ....                         How many Straights would that give us to play ? 

         

          Say the number was 012.... and our fouth digit was 3 that wouldn't show up.  That gives us these below.

                                                                 No digits ... 0, 1, 2,  &  3

                                                             Only  120 straights to consider

         456, 457, 458, 459, 465, 467, 468, 469, 475, 476, 478, 479, 485, 486, 487, 489, 495, 496, 497, 498, 546, 547, 548, 549, 564, 567, 568, 569, 574, 576, 578, 579, 584, 586, 587, 589, 594, 596, 597, 598, 645, 647, 648, 649, 654, 657, 658, 659, 674, 675, 678, 679, 684, 685, 687, 689, 694, 695, 697, 698, 745, 746, 748, 749, 754, 756, 758, 759, 764, 765, 768, 769, 784, 785, 786, 789, 794, 795, 796, 798, 845, 846, 847, 849, 854, 856, 857, 859, 864, 865, 867, 869, 874, 875, 876, 879, 894, 895, 896, 897, 945, 946, 947, 948, 954, 956, 957, 958, 964, 965, 967, 968, 974, 975, 976, 978, 984, 985, 986, 987

            I know you want to know how many Straights it would take to win Straight.... if you guessed 5 digits ....that wouldn't show up on the next draw.

                                      If you guessed 0,1,2,...and 3,,4  would not show next draw   

                   It would take only 60 Straights .... x .25 cents = $15.oo bucks per day win 225.oo    Thumbs Up

           567, 568, 569, 576, 578, 579, 586, 587, 589, 596, 597, 598, 657, 658, 659, 675, 678, 679, 685, 687, 689, 695, 697, 698, 756, 758, 759, 765, 768, 769, 785, 786, 789, 795, 796, 798, 856, 857, 859, 865, 867, 869, 875, 876, 879, 895, 896, 897, 956, 957, 958, 965, 967, 968, 975, 976, 978, 985, 986, 987

                           Try guessing 5 digits that won't show up next draw ...... if your real good at it...

                                                    Call 1-800 - win d greed  !     LOL

        OK Chaz, You are offically in the Lottery HOF! No one else can touch you.

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          LOL ...thanks CARBOB !  Are you thinking what I'm thinking ?  LOL    Over 2 weeks is a long time to be wrong everyday... LOL

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          On the subject of digits and their return rates. In this particular example it doesn't really matter about the last draw and how many digits return. Although I think it helps alot.

           Math wise .... the expected rate of return for any P3 game is ....a 65.7 % return rate ....that at least one digit will return each time. That means we could expect a win 34.3 % of the time ....if we just played blind each day ......every single day..... and straight through ....using no filters or ...player art ...etc.  

                              2/3's of the time digits will repeat next draw....and about 1/3rd of the time they won't.   

            But ...... we really don't have to worry about the last draw in this particular deal ....we only have to figure which 3 digits of the 10 won't show up on the next draw.

            LOL......  !00% of the time only 2 or 3 digits will appear....... and 100 % of the time .... 7 or 8 digits won't !

           

           

          The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                        Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                        Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                 Win d    

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            Chaz, need you help, please. Do me a workout for Fla Eve, with one of these 4 showing, 4,5,8,9. They are past the max with 26 draws.

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              Bob ....   Like .....none returning form digits 4,5,8,  9, 

               Boxes 20

                  037, 127, 136, 137, 236, 237, 012, 067, 013, 167,

                  023, 267, 123, 367, 016, 017, 026, 027, 036, 126

               

               120 strs

              012, 013, 016, 017, 021, 023, 026, 027, 031, 032, 036, 037, 061, 062, 063, 067, 071, 072, 073, 076,

               102, 103, 106, 107, 120, 123, 126, 127, 130, 132, 136, 137, 160, 162, 163, 167, 170, 172, 173, 176,

               201, 203, 206, 207, 210, 213, 216, 217, 230, 231, 236, 237, 260, 261, 263, 267, 270, 271, 273, 276,

               301, 302, 306, 307, 310, 312, 316, 317, 320, 321, 326, 327, 360, 361, 362, 367, 370, 371, 372, 376,

               

               

               601, 602, 603, 607, 610, 612, 613, 617, 620, 621, 623, 627, 630, 631, 632, 637, 670, 671, 672, 673,

               701, 702, 703, 706, 710, 712, 713, 716, 720, 721, 723, 726, 730, 731, 732, 736, 760, 761, 762, 763

               

               Of those above Bob.... these are un hit in the last 365 draws

                87 straights

               013 016 017 021 023 026 027 031 032 036 037 062 067 072 076 106 107 120 123 126 127 137 162 167 172 173 201 203 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 263 271 273 276 301 302 306 307 310 312 316 320 321 326 327 361 362 367 370 371 372 376 601 602 603 612 613 617 620 621 630 631 632 670 672 703 706 713 716 720 721 726 730 731 732 736 760 761 762 763

                2 years old.... 64 of them

               017 021 023 026 027 031 032 036 062 072 076 106 123 126 137 167 172 173 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 301 302 306 307 312 316 320 326 327 361 362 367 370 371 372 376 601 602 603 612 617 620 621 630 631 670 672 703 716 720 726 730 731 732 760 761 762

                3yrs old///   only46 straight

                017 023 026 032 036 072 076 123 126 137 167 172 173 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 301 302 307 312 316 361 370 376 601 602 617 620 621 630 631 670 672 703 716 720 730 731 760 761

               

               

              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                     Win d    

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                Bob ....   Like .....none returning form digits 4,5,8,  9, 

                 Boxes 20

                    037, 127, 136, 137, 236, 237, 012, 067, 013, 167,

                    023, 267, 123, 367, 016, 017, 026, 027, 036, 126

                 

                 120 strs

                012, 013, 016, 017, 021, 023, 026, 027, 031, 032, 036, 037, 061, 062, 063, 067, 071, 072, 073, 076,

                 102, 103, 106, 107, 120, 123, 126, 127, 130, 132, 136, 137, 160, 162, 163, 167, 170, 172, 173, 176,

                 201, 203, 206, 207, 210, 213, 216, 217, 230, 231, 236, 237, 260, 261, 263, 267, 270, 271, 273, 276,

                 301, 302, 306, 307, 310, 312, 316, 317, 320, 321, 326, 327, 360, 361, 362, 367, 370, 371, 372, 376,

                 

                 

                 601, 602, 603, 607, 610, 612, 613, 617, 620, 621, 623, 627, 630, 631, 632, 637, 670, 671, 672, 673,

                 701, 702, 703, 706, 710, 712, 713, 716, 720, 721, 723, 726, 730, 731, 732, 736, 760, 761, 762, 763

                 

                 Of those above Bob.... these are un hit in the last 365 draws

                  87 straights

                 013 016 017 021 023 026 027 031 032 036 037 062 067 072 076 106 107 120 123 126 127 137 162 167 172 173 201 203 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 263 271 273 276 301 302 306 307 310 312 316 320 321 326 327 361 362 367 370 371 372 376 601 602 603 612 613 617 620 621 630 631 632 670 672 703 706 713 716 720 721 726 730 731 732 736 760 761 762 763

                  2 years old.... 64 of them

                 017 021 023 026 027 031 032 036 062 072 076 106 123 126 137 167 172 173 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 301 302 306 307 312 316 320 326 327 361 362 367 370 371 372 376 601 602 603 612 617 620 621 630 631 670 672 703 716 720 726 730 731 732 760 761 762

                  3yrs old///   only46 straight

                  017 023 026 032 036 072 076 123 126 137 167 172 173 207 210 213 216 217 230 231 236 261 301 302 307 312 316 361 370 376 601 602 617 620 621 630 631 670 672 703 716 720 730 731 760 761

                Thanks WinD

                Way I read it though isnt he looking for just the opposite ???

                " Fla Eve, with one of these 4 showing, 4,5,8,9. They are past the max with 26 draws."

                Or maybe I misunderstood..

                 

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                   Thanks CarlG

                  Not sure .... I think he is following a 4 digit string .....that has lasted at least 26 days fla eve. .....and he thinks it is about to come to an end.  When it does... either one of the 20 boxes or one of the Straights are prone to win.

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    you are correct Chaz!!!

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                      you are correct Chaz!!!

                      Sorry Carbob,

                       

                      I understand now..

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                        Not the method ....but just in case Bob.

                         These are doubles of that shade..... that have not hit in 700 draws... about 2 years.

                         Straight versions unhit .....not box 

                           Its a reduction of 225 str doubles ..... a deep cut. 

                        002 003 006 030 070 077

                        100 101 110 113 116 121 131 166 171

                        200 212 223 227 262 272 303 311 313 332 336 363 366 377

                        600 606 622 633 636 660 661 676 677

                        700 711 722 737 766 770 771

                         

                         

                        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                               Win d    

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                          Thanks Chaz!!! I like the 3-yrs old ones, but I better be safe and play the 120!!! Please do me another favor, PM me the step-by-step instructions of the way you do this.

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                                Some folks are a little confused on this . 

                                To avoid any confusion .......let's go over what we were talking about here in the beginning.

                            .

                            Sometimes after I come out with a stat to demonstrate a method or System.... some one always will show up on that post .....and throw out some weird state example .... or a once in a lifetime exception.

                             Sure ......things happen. Hot and Cold is always with us in this sport. Averages ....and "Most of the time" are all we have to build on in this random game.  Exceptions and wierd ...are just that.

                             

                                Now ..... We were very clear in that this method was strictly using Single numbers only.  NO Doubles ...were the first 2 words of this post and printed in RED .  So.... please don't confuse the facts with such figures that include both Doubles......and Trips with the Single Six way numbers.  It throws off the fine points of the whole thing.

                             

                                        Let me try this again......  Single numbers only.  Moving six-way to the next Six way number.   

                                 *  When a Single number is drawn  ......there is a 71 % chance that at least one digit will repeat in the next drawn single number ! 

                              * When a Single number is drawn....there is a 29% chance that no digit will repeat in the next single. 

                              Most States .... most of the time will get 266 Single numbers per year..365 draws. 

                                   MOST of the time ..... 189 of those 266 numbers will have a repeat digit...and most of the time ..... 77 of them will not.       

                             

                             

                            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                   Win d    

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                                Most of the time ......most states..... will get 263 (+-) Single numbers per year ..... 187 will have a repeat .....and most of the time .....76 of them will not.

                                                              The repeats almost out number the NON repeats .....2 to 1 ! _______________

                               

                               

                              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                     Win d