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Secret Sequence Possible??

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Posted: June 3, 2009, 11:16 pm - IP Logged

IS A SECRET SEQUENCE POSSIBLE??

 

With the lottery programs like lotto sync and simulotto--does anyone still believe, there exists a method that could genuinely simulate a lottery game off past game data?

 

There by wining some how by a secret mechanical sequence.

 

Just wondering

 

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    IS A SECRET SEQUENCE POSSIBLE??

     

    With the lottery programs like lotto sync and simulotto--does anyone still believe, there exists a method that could genuinely simulate a lottery game off past game data?

     

    There by wining some how by a secret mechanical sequence.

     

    Just wondering

     

    Hawk

    The game is random, so anything is possible.   The old million monkeys banging away on a million typewriters for a million years will one day write the same post you just wrote.  There will come a day when a lottery software gets it just right.  Over the years I have seen things like 5 of 6 correct in 9 predicted numbers, doesn't repeat the next draw, I know that too.   Frown

    Secret mechanical sequence?  Sure, but it changes for every draw.

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      Posted: June 4, 2009, 12:33 am - IP Logged

      To Pick4....

      Just ask matchmaker. He seems to have figured out how to overcome inumerable odds...lol.

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        I was thinking, with all the threads on how people should use pi to create numbers to play and other irrational numbers. If people truely use these as their bread and butter system?

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          You know, like sometimes things follow a Particular Distribution---but is this the case with jackpot type games? Or for the daily games only. A secret method to fit a certain curve? Or long array of data?

          Just wondering

           

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            You know, like sometimes things follow a Particular Distribution---but is this the case with jackpot type games? Or for the daily games only. A secret method to fit a certain curve? Or long array of data?

            Just wondering

             

            Hawk

            The data has to be a measurement of something for things like neural nets AI's to work.  Lottery data is irrational, but if a section were to mimick real data the result should be predictable as the next step in the sequence.  Maybe if there were a way to adjust the data to fit or eliminate the more irrational portions results would improve.   The trouble is I don't know of a lottery software really using neural nets to test it on.   The only one was made to do stock prediction and only did Pick-3 as a side line, didn't work out for me.   

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              Posted: June 4, 2009, 5:42 pm - IP Logged

              A secret method to fit a certain curve?

              If it's a secret then it's not likely to be discussed here in a public forum.  Here, players only discuss and share methods they want help with or someone else's thoughts about. In some cases they may even want someone else to try it and report back to them if it has any merit.

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                Hello,

                BobP brought up neural networks.

                I haven't used "Lottery Sorcerer" but they claim to use Neural networks on there web site.

                You have Reached the Website of the First, Original Lottery Software.

                The First Lottery Software. Since 1989 and Continually Improving.

                By Far, the Most Popular Lottery Software Using Predictive Technology... and There is a Reason!

                And Still the Only Lottery Software to use Proven Neural Networking (Artificial Intelligence) Algorithms to Look for Non-Random and Weighted Influences Inherent in Lottery Drawings.

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                  Hello,

                  BobP brought up neural networks.

                  I haven't used "Lottery Sorcerer" but they claim to use Neural networks on there web site.

                  You have Reached the Website of the First, Original Lottery Software.

                  The First Lottery Software. Since 1989 and Continually Improving.

                  By Far, the Most Popular Lottery Software Using Predictive Technology... and There is a Reason!

                  And Still the Only Lottery Software to use Proven Neural Networking (Artificial Intelligence) Algorithms to Look for Non-Random and Weighted Influences Inherent in Lottery Drawings.

                  Jimmy

                  They must not include that feature in their trial copies, I downloaded a trial copy of their software years ago and don't remember it doing anything that other lottery software couldn't do.

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                    A secret method to fit a certain curve?

                    If it's a secret then it's not likely to be discussed here in a public forum.  Here, players only discuss and share methods they want help with or someone else's thoughts about. In some cases they may even want someone else to try it and report back to them if it has any merit.

                    RJOh:

                    My reason for "A secret method to fit a certain curve?" was because I learned that true random generators use a command to rotate bits at the binary level. So along with using a stock equation they rotate the outputted bits. This left me very un happy. Integer math alone may not be enough.

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                      The data has to be a measurement of something for things like neural nets AI's to work.  Lottery data is irrational, but if a section were to mimick real data the result should be predictable as the next step in the sequence.  Maybe if there were a way to adjust the data to fit or eliminate the more irrational portions results would improve.   The trouble is I don't know of a lottery software really using neural nets to test it on.   The only one was made to do stock prediction and only did Pick-3 as a side line, didn't work out for me.   

                      BobP

                      Bobp:

                      Thank you for your input. I know of AI some already. I'll look into it further.

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                        Posted: June 10, 2009, 1:45 pm - IP Logged

                        Numerous lottery software programs use a random number generator in their software. However is it really practical to use an RNG to forecast anything?

                        Would any method be practical?

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                          Numerous lottery software programs use a random number generator in their software. However is it really practical to use an RNG to forecast anything?

                          Would any method be practical?

                          When dealing with lottery forecasting or predicting at some point you're going to be guessing.  Even with the narrowest of parameters, there are still hundreds of possibilities and playing every one is not practical so picking a few randomly is really the only option.  If the winning combination is among those possibilities, then your odds of winning are still improved.

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                            When dealing with lottery forecasting or predicting at some point you're going to be guessing.  Even with the narrowest of parameters, there are still hundreds of possibilities and playing every one is not practical so picking a few randomly is really the only option.  If the winning combination is among those possibilities, then your odds of winning are still improved.

                            rjoh:

                            Some lottery software uses an RNG to pick the numbers that need be wheeled--they don't even use statistics at all.

                            Perhaps a RNG should only be used to wheel numbers. I do agree that the lottery is vast.

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                              rjoh:

                              Some lottery software uses an RNG to pick the numbers that need be wheeled--they don't even use statistics at all.

                              Perhaps a RNG should only be used to wheel numbers. I do agree that the lottery is vast.

                              If there's lottery software picking numbers randomly to be wheeled then it is truly as probably stated in its disclaimer for "entertainment only" and shouldn't be used by serious lottery players.

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