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RJOh

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Sep 9, 2009, 10:49 pm

I played Ohio Rolling Cash5 tonight and didn't do so good. Almost every rule I play by worked against me.

The winning numbers were: 01 06 18 24 39

Rule 1. Never play a combination that has already hit.
01 06 18 24 39 also came up 02/18/05

Rule 2. 90% of all winning combination have a range between 17-38.
Tonight's combination had a range of 39

Rule 3. 90% of winning combinations haven't match3 in previous 20 drawings.
Tonight's winning combination had match3 three times in the last 14 drawings.

So much for those rules, time to write a new set.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Sep 11, 2009, 4:00 am

If the majority of past drawings follow those rules, then keep them.
(Well..., rule #3 looks a little shaky, but my data set is different )

The only way to win every drawing is to play every combo, which wouldn't be profitable (or even possible) in p5 games.

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Sep 11, 2009, 6:15 pm

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Sep 11, 2009
If the majority of past drawings follow those rules, then keep them.
(Well..., rule #3 looks a little shaky, but my data set is different )

The only way to win every drawing is to play every combo, which wouldn't be profitable (or even possible) in p5 games.

The only way to win every drawing is to play every combo, which wouldn't be profitable (or even possible) in p5 games.

I wouldn't want to win every drawing, but I wouldn't mind matching five 3-4 times a year either if I could afford it. I would think some where between playing 10 lines and never matching more than three and playing all 575,757 possible combo and matching five all the time I could find a happy median.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Sep 16, 2009, 8:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Sep 9, 2009
I played Ohio Rolling Cash5 tonight and didn't do so good. Almost every rule I play by worked against me.

The winning numbers were: 01 06 18 24 39

Rule 1. Never play a combination that has already hit.
01 06 18 24 39 also came up 02/18/05

Rule 2. 90% of all winning combination have a range between 17-38.
Tonight's combination had a range of 39

Rule 3. 90% of winning combinations haven't match3 in previous 20 drawings.
Tonight's winning combination had match3 three times in the last 14 drawings.

So much for those rules, time to write a new set.

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Sep 17, 2009, 12:58 pm

My rules for California are:

Three to four numbers will be picked from the last 10 games.

Four numbers will have been picked zero times and one number that has picked once from the last 2 games.

Two numbers that have been picked zero times, two numbers that have been picked once, and one number that has been picked twice from the last seven games.

You are a slave to the choices you have made. jk

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Sep 20, 2009, 4:16 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Sep 11, 2009
The only way to win every drawing is to play every combo, which wouldn't be profitable (or even possible) in p5 games.

I wouldn't want to win every drawing, but I wouldn't mind matching five 3-4 times a year either if I could afford it. I would think some where between playing 10 lines and never matching more than three and playing all 575,757 possible combo and matching five all the time I could find a happy median.

Might take hold of one of the more frequent delta patterns, and just stick with it.

In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.
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Oct 2, 2009, 9:47 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Sep 9, 2009
I played Ohio Rolling Cash5 tonight and didn't do so good. Almost every rule I play by worked against me.

The winning numbers were: 01 06 18 24 39

Rule 1. Never play a combination that has already hit.
01 06 18 24 39 also came up 02/18/05

Rule 2. 90% of all winning combination have a range between 17-38.
Tonight's combination had a range of 39

Rule 3. 90% of winning combinations haven't match3 in previous 20 drawings.
Tonight's winning combination had match3 three times in the last 14 drawings.

So much for those rules, time to write a new set.

These are great patterns, RJOH. I would not throw them out until the per centage falls to something less than 90%. 90% is great!

I don't understand Rule #2. What is your definition of "range"?

When and should you find new rules, I hope you will post them for us. Your thinking is very insighful, sagacious, and mind blowing. Keep up the good work.
RJOh

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Oct 2, 2009, 10:17 am

I don't understand Rule #2. What is your definition of "range"?

It's the difference between the lowest and highest numbers +1.

#1 and #39 had hit together 26 times in 1684 drawings or 1.54% of the time.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Oct 2, 2009, 10:55 am

In the GA Fantasy 5, there have been 26 repeats of the 5 numbers in the 4900 draws.

That is .5%

That is 3 to 6 times a year.

So I choose ones that have not won before.

Then I look to see how many 2 matches and 3 matches recently came up.
RJOh

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Oct 2, 2009, 2:28 pm

Rolling Cash5 (5/39) replaced Buckeye5 (5/37) which ran from 05/05/92 to 10/02/04 and had 6 of 2723 combinations of fives to repeat.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Oct 2, 2009, 6:49 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Oct 2, 2009
Rolling Cash5 (5/39) replaced Buckeye5 (5/37) which ran from 05/05/92 to 10/02/04 and had 6 of 2723 combinations of fives to repeat.

How much affect would the addition of two numbers have on one's "rules for playing"?

I would think such an addition would have little to no affect. Range (high number less low number) would definitely change somewhat. "Cold" numbers would stay the same if one's definition of cold did not change as would "Hot". But what might other patterns do? Would they increase in number or decrease?
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Oct 2, 2009, 9:30 pm

GA Fantasy 5 started 11/19/1994 with 5/35 on Tues & Fri.

11/2/1995 drawings increase to 4 nights a week.

7/2/1996 drawings increase to 5 nights.

9/4/1996 it goes to 6 nights a week.

10/16/1999 it goes to 7 nights a week.

10/25/2000

The GLC board of directors approved enhancements to the Fantasy 5 game. Effective October 29, 2000, the Fantasy 5 game matrix increases from 5/35 to 5/39. Additionally, the multi-draw amount increases from 12 to 14 draws.

New gravity-driven ball machines using rubber balls are introduced on October 23, 2000 for CASH 3 and Fantasy 5 drawings.
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Oct 2, 2009, 11:16 pm

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on Oct 2, 2009
How much affect would the addition of two numbers have on one's "rules for playing"?

I would think such an addition would have little to no affect. Range (high number less low number) would definitely change somewhat. "Cold" numbers would stay the same if one's definition of cold did not change as would "Hot". But what might other patterns do? Would they increase in number or decrease?

39c5 (575,757), up from 37c5 (435,897) creates over 30% (139,860) more combinations between your system/ticket and the jackpot.

In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.
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Oct 3, 2009, 10:55 am

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Oct 2, 2009
39c5 (575,757), up from 37c5 (435,897) creates over 30% (139,860) more combinations between your system/ticket and the jackpot.

That is true, time*treat. But what affect would the addition of numbers have on, say, the sum of 5 numbers?

If before the addition, the number of odd sums was, say, 49% and the number of even sums 51%, would the increase in odds change that ratio?

Which patterns might be affected the most? Would any pattern change?

Right now I am researching the Pennsylvania Cash 5. I will separated the draws into two "piles". Then I will look at various patterns to see what differences there might be. Will I do not expect to see any significant discrepancies, I might be surprised. I was wondering if anyone might already posses this information.
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Oct 3, 2009, 11:44 am

For things like sums and such, johnph77 has charts for that.

If you track frequency, then there will be a noticable change in distribution. 'Haven't done it for PA, but have checked it out in other games...

In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
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