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Posted: September 21, 2009, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

What states have computerized drawings other than TN and NJ?

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    Posted: September 21, 2009, 9:43 pm - IP Logged

    What states have computerized drawings other than TN and NJ?

    NJ doesn't have any Computerized Drawings!

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      Posted: September 21, 2009, 10:09 pm - IP Logged

      NJ doesn't have any Computerized Drawings!

      Lots of useful Resources available on Lottery Post: You might want to Review them and see What's Here!

      http://www.lotterypost.com/lottery-report-card.asp

      http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php

       

      Raven, Pick4hawk sent me this link regarding computerized gambling in general. It's a very good article and makes lots of sense when you consider the factors. I suppose it can be a toss up between the two types but, I prefer the good 'ole air and ball style. Why? Computers definitely have memory and depending on how you filter, it can make or break your hit. Check it out.

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        Posted: September 22, 2009, 10:58 am - IP Logged

        http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php

         

        Raven, Pick4hawk sent me this link regarding computerized gambling in general. It's a very good article and makes lots of sense when you consider the factors. I suppose it can be a toss up between the two types but, I prefer the good 'ole air and ball style. Why? Computers definitely have memory and depending on how you filter, it can make or break your hit. Check it out.

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        Computers do in fact have memory chips, but somehow making the leap to say that all computerized drawings "remember" the past draws and adjust future numbers because of it does not make sense, and I believe it is completely false.

        I am against computerized drawings as much as anyone, but I also am not going to tell people that every computerized drawing has some kind of memory of past drawings.  That goes against everything I have learned in my research.

        I do think computerized drawings are problematic because the possibility exists that they can be hacked by a computer expert without anyone learning of it.  They can (and HAVE) has ERRORS that existed for MONTHS without anyone knowing about it, so it is a simple deduction that a hacker intent on hiding their code could have their program in place without anyone knowing about it.

        That is a real problem, especially compared to real ball drawings, in which problems can easily be identified and fixed by any employee with a little training.

         

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          Posted: September 22, 2009, 1:28 pm - IP Logged

          To my knowledge the RNG is the program when it's activated the main part of the computer that is involved with generating the numbers is the math co-processor.

          The math co-processor is just that a processor that computes mathematical functions it dose not have a memory per-say that detects anything other than whats asked of it in a mathematical function.

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            Computers do in fact have memory chips, but somehow making the leap to say that all computerized drawings "remember" the past draws and adjust future numbers because of it does not make sense, and I believe it is completely false.

            I am against computerized drawings as much as anyone, but I also am not going to tell people that every computerized drawing has some kind of memory of past drawings.  That goes against everything I have learned in my research.

            I do think computerized drawings are problematic because the possibility exists that they can be hacked by a computer expert without anyone learning of it.  They can (and HAVE) has ERRORS that existed for MONTHS without anyone knowing about it, so it is a simple deduction that a hacker intent on hiding their code could have their program in place without anyone knowing about it.

            That is a real problem, especially compared to real ball drawings, in which problems can easily be identified and fixed by any employee with a little training.

            I wasn't speaking so much in terms of long term memory but, rather short term sort of like "cookies" in the PC systems which immediately recall a particular address etc. If these computer draws are similar in database then, it's very easy for one to be programmed to any such past draw which can be good and bad in its' own right. We, as humans, recall most everything which means that as computer programmers the computers can also remember because we program them.

            This isn't as serious as it may be conveyed here but, I do feel it's a big problem just as you do. With the balls, there is no memory present...just air and vacuum and may the best ball be drawn. It's the way it should be.

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              Posted: September 22, 2009, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

              I think if a lottery computer or a set of balls acted in any predictable way, some of the many players who track drawing results would notice and complain if they didn't take advantage of the situation. 

              When Tennessee lottery didn't generate any doubles in its daily pick3 games after a week, players noticed  before the lottery did even though they claimed they tested and checked  their system every day.

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                I think if a lottery computer or a set of balls acted in any predictable way, some of the many players who track drawing results would notice and complain if they didn't take advantage of the situation. 

                When Tennessee lottery didn't generate any doubles in its daily pick3 games after a week, players noticed  before the lottery did even though they claimed they tested and checked  their system every day.

                The thing with me and computer draws is this: A guy like me, or anyone else for that matter, that spends a fair amount of money to get the type of hit desired will win but the profit is cut down. If a computer is pre-programmed to produce certain winning numbers and the person(s) who know go out and only spend $1 at $1.00 per number to get the $500 payout...tax free with nearly 100% profit.

                Either this or they'll have a family member go out and purchase ticket(s) to remain inconspicuous. Now, this may be a bit on the far side of things but, it can definitely happen and it's not fair. I don't mean to beat this to death but, it just rubs me the wrong way because I do work hard to produce the hits and make the profit I do. Just my .02 cents. I'll be quiet now.

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                  Posted: September 22, 2009, 9:50 pm - IP Logged

                  It's very hard for me to believe that with the amount of BIG money available that some criminal enterprise hasn't been hard at work trying to circumvent the system to claim that big money. It would be easier for me to believe that it's been done already who knows how many times and will be done again.

                  If techs in China can hack into our defense department computers with ease it can not be such an insurmountable task to do the same with any kind of device the lotteries have. It may or may not require the complicity of some official or employee but we all know that money talks. Especially big money.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    Posted: September 24, 2009, 8:23 am - IP Logged

                    The terminal where you get your tickets is a computer. Therefore the computer knows how many times a particular number has been picked by the players of the  lottery game you are playing. So, as you can see the outcome of either the ball machines or the computers can be controlled if the lottery  corporations wanted too. We have to depend on the companies to be honest. Personaly I prefer the ball  because the balls, except for weighting, would be harder to control the outcome. Hacking or no hacking it can still be controlled.

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                      Posted: September 24, 2009, 2:51 pm - IP Logged

                      http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php

                       

                      Raven, Pick4hawk sent me this link regarding computerized gambling in general. It's a very good article and makes lots of sense when you consider the factors. I suppose it can be a toss up between the two types but, I prefer the good 'ole air and ball style. Why? Computers definitely have memory and depending on how you filter, it can make or break your hit. Check it out.

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                      Am I the only one who considered that this (the info provided in the link above) could be altered and applied to forecast computer drawn games?

                      At the least....provide clues to things you could analyze to develop you're own game plan?

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                        Posted: September 30, 2009, 7:44 am - IP Logged

                        Consider the following quote from a lottery home page:
                         "FAQ. #11. What time are the draws held for jackpot and draw products?
                        Answer.. Sales for jackpot and draw products close at 10:00 pm Atlantic Time and the draws take place immediately after the sales close and are reconciled. Before the official winning numbers are communicated to the public, there is a lot of work going on in the background to confirm and validate the winning number. This verification process can take up to two hours. Once the numbers are confirmed, all media contacts are contacted and informed of the winning number."
                        What background work needs to be done to confirm ball drop numbers???

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                          Consider the following quote from a lottery home page:
                           "FAQ. #11. What time are the draws held for jackpot and draw products?
                          Answer.. Sales for jackpot and draw products close at 10:00 pm Atlantic Time and the draws take place immediately after the sales close and are reconciled. Before the official winning numbers are communicated to the public, there is a lot of work going on in the background to confirm and validate the winning number. This verification process can take up to two hours. Once the numbers are confirmed, all media contacts are contacted and informed of the winning number."
                          What background work needs to be done to confirm ball drop numbers???

                          In the states most drawing results are posted within 15 minutes of the drawing.  It's confirming the number of winning tickets, the payout amounts and if the jackpot will roll for another drawing that takes time.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: September 30, 2009, 9:09 am - IP Logged

                            What states have computerized drawings other than TN and NJ?

                            Indiana has computerized drawings that are not recorded or televised. Not sure how its done, I assume some guy sitting at his computer with a cheap random number generator program. Thats why I no longer play the Indiana Lottery. I just dont trust RNG's.