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time*treat

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Sep 28, 2009, 9:31 pm

I'd like to know if all the subscribers get the same set of numbers.

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Sep 28, 2009, 11:46 pm

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Sep 28, 2009
If I understand what he wrote, he would have won a bit more than $1600 if he had played the suggested numbers for al of the drawings. That would mean an outlay of $2304 for tickets (figuring 12 weeks at $192/week), plus $300 for the subscription. That's a return of better than 67% of the cost. Not a profit, but better than the 50% that PB puts in the prize pool, and even better when you figure that more than half of the prize pool goes to the jackpot.

Of course that still doesn't mean that Steve Player's system (or anyone else's) works, or is worth even $5. Spending $192 each week guarantees that you should have frequent small wins. In fact the odd are almost spot on for having a 1+1 and 0+1 every week. Jim simply got lucky by playing those numbers multiple times, and having success twice out of 24 tries.

What I find interesting is that after not winning for a while (which is what should be expected), and then having one small victory, he apparently sees that as such strong proof that the "system" works, that he writes a letter of apology over having doubted. I also find it interesting that getting getting a 3+0 match and then getting a 1+1 and 1+0 match aparently makes him think that "he's beginning to zero in on a big hit," when the data suggests that more recent predictions are worse. I'm sure that's how people like Player and Howard keep customers. People are very good at forgetting failures and hardships and remembering the good stuff. Plenty of people would lose for 9 months and then win $1000, and believe it was because the system worked, instead of realizing that probability guarantes it, but they've also lost more than they won, as probability also guarantees. I assume the subcription lasts for a year, so let's see what happens over the course of a year. My prediction is that in the long term his results will be far closer to what probability suggests.

Exactly what I thought when I saw this.

Actually this system is pretty bad. There are 38 ways to lose on the Powerball alone and only one way to win.

The guy's spending 96 dollars and could be absolutely certain of winning at least twice, by covering all 39 numbers.

Similarly if one plays the different numbers for each of two tickets having the same powerball, one will have the maximum number of ways, 10, of having a powerball + 1 if that particular powerball comes up.

The extreme case would be a person who bought 100,000 tickets that all had exactly the same numbers. His or her odds would be same as having one ticket, although if his numbers came up, 5 + 1, it would only matter in the (rare) case that someone else also played that number.
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Sep 29, 2009, 10:41 am

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Sep 28, 2009
I'd like to know if all the subscribers get the same set of numbers.

I would like to know, also.
RJOh

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Sep 29, 2009, 2:54 pm

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Sep 28, 2009
I'd like to know if all the subscribers get the same set of numbers.

You'll probably never know unless another subscriber come forward and claims to have had an equally good day playing the same numbers or jim695 wins the big one and have to share it with a bunch of other subscribers.

Since he was required to register and sign a non-disclosure agreement, I'm surprised Jim discussed anything about the system at all. He posted pictures of his tickets with numbers that are good for the whole month, so if he has another good day this Wednesday, he may be joined by some of his fellow LP members who read his post.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Sep 29, 2009, 2:59 pm

I know nothing about the system but would expect for the price of the subscription there's a different set of numbers for each week, perhaps even each draw.

Huge congrats Jim, awesome win. Keep 'em coming to you!!!

Have fun and the best of luck to everyone!
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Sep 29, 2009, 3:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 29, 2009
I know nothing about the system but would expect for the price of the subscription there's a different set of numbers for each week, perhaps even each draw.

Huge congrats Jim, awesome win. Keep 'em coming to you!!!

In his post, Jim said he got a new list every month but maybe it was broke down by week or drawing.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Sep 29, 2009, 8:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Editgap on Sep 28, 2009
That is my point exactly KY Floyd.

What says this guy has a system. Because he can bet on one PB number a get a hit. I have played PB for over three years. The last thing I would do is bet on a single event or occurance. That goes for every lottery game.

If this guy had a system why doesn't he sell his software for $49.99 so you can buy it instead of giving his $200 weekly. I use the same betting technique. I don't see what proves he got a winning system. If he is doing this for a lot of people it is easy to scam all of you like a pyramid scheme. Feed you positive result now and then to keep you happy and keep the big pot to himself afterall you would agree you don't expect all your money back.

My point is I don't see why he should be buying your tickets for you. Where is the prove that he has a system.

I have to point out that I haven't read your post and I will when I am bored cause you sound execited. Good luck to you.

Ok I finally read your post.

It sound like a good deal. If anyone could match 4 of 5 numbers in any way that is a good sign. I say that because I look at one line every drawing.

I have always wanted to play other peoples numbers.
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Sep 29, 2009, 9:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Sep 29, 2009
You'll probably never know unless another subscriber come forward and claims to have had an equally good day playing the same numbers or jim695 wins the big one and have to share it with a bunch of other subscribers.

Since he was required to register and sign a non-disclosure agreement, I'm surprised Jim discussed anything about the system at all. He posted pictures of his tickets with numbers that are good for the whole month, so if he has another good day this Wednesday, he may be joined by some of his fellow LP members who read his post.

Yeah, if you have a system that creates 4,000 combos (even if it contains a good many number of prizes and overall profit) it would be hard for most people to collect the funds (and nerve) to play it.

If you split the 4,000 among 100 people at 40 combos each, balancing the combos - essentially a distributed wheel - you'd have people able to play it, and happily singing your praises.

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Sep 30, 2009, 1:55 am

Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 29, 2009
I know nothing about the system but would expect for the price of the subscription there's a different set of numbers for each week, perhaps even each draw.

Huge congrats Jim, awesome win. Keep 'em coming to you!!!

If a system actually worked, the numbers would change when the system said they should change. That might mean playing the same numbers for a month, and then playing different numbers in each of the next 10 drawings and then using the same numbers for 3 in a row.

From what I read it sounds like the numbers may be for 2 drawings, since he says he skipped a drawing because he had already won with those numbers and (because he clearly doesn't understand random probability) didn't think they were likely to repeat. Not that I think the "system" would be a good deal if all you had to do was send an envelope with a stamp on it, but I'd say that paying $300 and only getting a list once a month shows that the "system" is a crock. With each new drawing the data is further and further out of date. Why isn't a new list generated at least every week?

As for whether or not everyone gets the same numbers, that could be the "secret" to any claims Player makes about predicting winning numbers. Let's assume he has 10,000 subcribers, that he sends out 1000 different sets of numbers, and that each subscriber plays 48 combinations. That gives him 48,000 chances to "predict" the jackpot every drawing. Over the course of a year it would be 4,896,000 chances. That could result in a 5+0 match every 12.6 months. And that could result in hundreds of new customers.

Of course that assumes that each list of numbers allows exactly 48 combinations. It seems that the list Jim got only included 1 choice for the power ball and there is no 5 of n wheel with 48 combinations. 5 of 6, 7 or 8 wheels have 6, 21 or 56 possible combinations. Giving 10 people a list that allows 252 possible combinations (5 of 10) could potentially result in all 252 combinations being played. If that was the case, his marks customers might play as many as 2520 different combinations for each drawing, or more than 25 million combinations in a year.

OTOH, proving that he was sending different numbers to different people might be enough to convict him of fraud.
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Sep 30, 2009, 6:51 am

Quote: Originally posted by Editgap on Sep 29, 2009
Ok I finally read your post.

It sound like a good deal. If anyone could match 4 of 5 numbers in any way that is a good sign. I say that because I look at one line every drawing.

I have always wanted to play other peoples numbers.

Of course, if jim695 hits a 4+1 or better, he'll be ...

A 4+0 (only) pays $100.

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Sep 30, 2009, 7:16 am

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Sep 30, 2009
Of course, if jim695 hits a 4+1 or better, he'll be ...

A 4+0 (only) pays $100.

With PowerPlay that's at least $200, it was the PowerPlay option that made his win look impressive.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Sep 30, 2009, 10:44 am

i've send email to steve player but dont get any replys since 7 days..im getting to lose my expectation and i dont want to think this can be a another scam..
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Oct 28, 2009, 3:23 pm

Yo Jim,

Anything good lately?

and......are you still doing it?

We were kinda wondering.
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Nov 17, 2009, 1:28 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Sep 29, 2009
You'll probably never know unless another subscriber come forward and claims to have had an equally good day playing the same numbers or jim695 wins the big one and have to share it with a bunch of other subscribers.

Since he was required to register and sign a non-disclosure agreement, I'm surprised Jim discussed anything about the system at all. He posted pictures of his tickets with numbers that are good for the whole month, so if he has another good day this Wednesday, he may be joined by some of his fellow LP members who read his post.

My personal experience is: if you want to make absolute SURE something gets repeated, the thing to do is to tell a few people AND MAKE THEM PROMISE NOT TO REPEAT IT.

To me, all this guy is doing is making a sales pitch.

I know a TON of people that go to the Casinos - and I bet you do too - but isn't it funny that they only tell us WHEN THEY WIN? Or at least CLAIM to have won?

He got lucky with #11 - and luck has everything to do with winning PB - or any gambling game.
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Nov 17, 2009, 1:31 am

And PS: I don't consider any PB win to be a 'BIG' win unless it is AT LEAST $10,000.

For those keeping score at home; that's 4 WB and the PB. Unless it has changed, I didn't think it did.

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