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Posted: October 22, 2009, 1:38 pm - IP Logged

It is true that over a long period of time, for a true random system, the number of times each ball is drawn will even out. But the problem with this is that this period of time may be hundreds of years with hundreds of thousands of drawings. Most lottery games have only been running a fraction of this time and fluctuations in the number of times balls are drawn is quite normal. 

Is Prediction Possible?

Look at these numbers for the Illinois Little Lotto:

 02/03/1997 Mon 01 03 12 16 17
11/12/1998 Thu 01 03 12 16 17

01/23/1998 Fri 02 12 13 16 23
03/29/1999 Mon 02 12 13 16 23

02/28/1996 Wed 03 11 13 14 30
03/22/1996 Fri 03 11 13 14 30

03/23/1994 Wed 04 17 18 19 26
10/08/1998 Thu 04 17 18 19 26

02/10/1992 Mon 04 17 18 20 24
09/30/1999 Thu 04 17 18 20 24

02/19/1996 Mon 12 14 22 23 29
03/18/1998 Wed 12 14 22 23 29

09/18/1995 Mon 07 08 09 28 29
05/20/1998 Wed 07 08 09 28 29

11/30/1994 Wed 03 07 11 15 26
09/17/1998 Thu 03 07 11 15 26

08/04/1997 Mon 04 05 10 12 22
01/07/2000 Fri 04 05 10 12 22

08/05/1996 Mon 05 06 08 17 23
06/07/2000 Wed 05 06 08 17 23

06/06/1988 Mon 06 10 13 28 30
07/26/1999 Mon 06 10 13 28 30

12/21/1999 Tue 06 12 19 20 29
04/10/2000 Mon 06 12 19 20 29

04/15/1991 Mon 07 10 14 18 25
05/07/1997 Wed 07 10 14 18 25

03/04/1994 Fri 07 08 10 21 27
02/12/2001 Mon 07 08 10 21 27

01/03/1992 Fri 02 04 15 19 27
02/17/1992 Mon 02 04 15 19 27

07/05/2000 Wed 02 13 22 25 29
03/28/2001 Wed 02 13 22 25 29

01/26/1999 Tue 11 12 19 23 28
06/08/2001 Fri 11 12 19 23 28

02/04/1999 Thu 01 16 17 22 30
10/22/2001 Mon 01 16 17 22 30

07/24/2000 Mon 09 17 20 22 26
11/12/2001 Mon 09 17 20 22 26

09/27/2000 Wed 02 05 18 19 23
02/07/2002 Thu 02 05 18 19 23

12/19/1990 Wed 03 10 11 21 22
02/14/2003 Fri 03 10 11 21 22

05/17/1991 Wed 06 13 19 21 26
03/19/2003 Wed 06 13 19 21 26

04/01/1999 Thu 06 08 09 14 25
08/28/2003 Thu 06 08 09 14 25

12/03/1999 Fri 01 03 07 24 29
10/01/2003 Wed 01 03 07 24 29

10/30/2003 Thu 3 10 16 20 25
12/01/2003 Mon 3 10 16 20 25

07/24/1995 Mon 04 06 09 16 25
01/08/2004 Thu 04 06 09 16 25

05/30/2002 Thu 07 08 21 26 28
01/14/2004 Wed 07 08 21 26 28

These repeats are unusual to say the least. So how could they have happened and can we use this in any way to predict?

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    Posted: October 25, 2009, 1:10 pm - IP Logged

    It is true that over a long period of time, for a true random system, the number of times each ball is drawn will even out. But the problem with this is that this period of time may be hundreds of years with hundreds of thousands of drawings. Most lottery games have only been running a fraction of this time and fluctuations in the number of times balls are drawn is quite normal. 

    Is Prediction Possible?

    Look at these numbers for the Illinois Little Lotto:

     02/03/1997 Mon 01 03 12 16 17
    11/12/1998 Thu 01 03 12 16 17

    01/23/1998 Fri 02 12 13 16 23
    03/29/1999 Mon 02 12 13 16 23

    02/28/1996 Wed 03 11 13 14 30
    03/22/1996 Fri 03 11 13 14 30

    03/23/1994 Wed 04 17 18 19 26
    10/08/1998 Thu 04 17 18 19 26

    02/10/1992 Mon 04 17 18 20 24
    09/30/1999 Thu 04 17 18 20 24

    02/19/1996 Mon 12 14 22 23 29
    03/18/1998 Wed 12 14 22 23 29

    09/18/1995 Mon 07 08 09 28 29
    05/20/1998 Wed 07 08 09 28 29

    11/30/1994 Wed 03 07 11 15 26
    09/17/1998 Thu 03 07 11 15 26

    08/04/1997 Mon 04 05 10 12 22
    01/07/2000 Fri 04 05 10 12 22

    08/05/1996 Mon 05 06 08 17 23
    06/07/2000 Wed 05 06 08 17 23

    06/06/1988 Mon 06 10 13 28 30
    07/26/1999 Mon 06 10 13 28 30

    12/21/1999 Tue 06 12 19 20 29
    04/10/2000 Mon 06 12 19 20 29

    04/15/1991 Mon 07 10 14 18 25
    05/07/1997 Wed 07 10 14 18 25

    03/04/1994 Fri 07 08 10 21 27
    02/12/2001 Mon 07 08 10 21 27

    01/03/1992 Fri 02 04 15 19 27
    02/17/1992 Mon 02 04 15 19 27

    07/05/2000 Wed 02 13 22 25 29
    03/28/2001 Wed 02 13 22 25 29

    01/26/1999 Tue 11 12 19 23 28
    06/08/2001 Fri 11 12 19 23 28

    02/04/1999 Thu 01 16 17 22 30
    10/22/2001 Mon 01 16 17 22 30

    07/24/2000 Mon 09 17 20 22 26
    11/12/2001 Mon 09 17 20 22 26

    09/27/2000 Wed 02 05 18 19 23
    02/07/2002 Thu 02 05 18 19 23

    12/19/1990 Wed 03 10 11 21 22
    02/14/2003 Fri 03 10 11 21 22

    05/17/1991 Wed 06 13 19 21 26
    03/19/2003 Wed 06 13 19 21 26

    04/01/1999 Thu 06 08 09 14 25
    08/28/2003 Thu 06 08 09 14 25

    12/03/1999 Fri 01 03 07 24 29
    10/01/2003 Wed 01 03 07 24 29

    10/30/2003 Thu 3 10 16 20 25
    12/01/2003 Mon 3 10 16 20 25

    07/24/1995 Mon 04 06 09 16 25
    01/08/2004 Thu 04 06 09 16 25

    05/30/2002 Thu 07 08 21 26 28
    01/14/2004 Wed 07 08 21 26 28

    These repeats are unusual to say the least. So how could they have happened and can we use this in any way to predict?

    Even tho you see these combinations repeating, there is no way to know which of the 575,757 will be the next one to repeat.  So, no, I do not see any way this can be used to reduce your odds against losing.

    Suggestion:    Read all the history here on LP.  Go back 5 years and read what others (even those who have been long gone) have to say.  There are several excellant suggestions back there.  I found one the other day on the blogs.  The writer is long gone and probably has forgotten all about LP.  I wish I could remember her name for I really want to give her credit.  All I remember is the blog name begins with a "W" and is on the last two pages.  When I have more time I will go back and find her again.  Meanwhile, I will just tell what I know about her entry and allow anyone who cares enough to search for themselves.

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      Posted: October 27, 2009, 3:44 am - IP Logged

      I don't know if you can predict anything from all those jackpot repeats but I'm glad to see it happens.

      And I'm glad to see a lot of them repeat in a year or two also.

      I missed a P/5 jackpot 2 years ago by one draw. I had 48 draws with the same numbers and they fell on the 49th draw.

      I've started playing those same numbers again and your post gives me a little more hope. Thanks.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

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        RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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        Posted: November 7, 2009, 10:11 am - IP Logged

        It is true that over a long period of time, for a true random system, the number of times each ball is drawn will even out. But the problem with this is that this period of time may be hundreds of years with hundreds of thousands of drawings. Most lottery games have only been running a fraction of this time and fluctuations in the number of times balls are drawn is quite normal. 

        Is Prediction Possible?

        Look at these numbers for the Illinois Little Lotto:

         02/03/1997 Mon 01 03 12 16 17
        11/12/1998 Thu 01 03 12 16 17

        01/23/1998 Fri 02 12 13 16 23
        03/29/1999 Mon 02 12 13 16 23

        02/28/1996 Wed 03 11 13 14 30
        03/22/1996 Fri 03 11 13 14 30

        03/23/1994 Wed 04 17 18 19 26
        10/08/1998 Thu 04 17 18 19 26

        02/10/1992 Mon 04 17 18 20 24
        09/30/1999 Thu 04 17 18 20 24

        02/19/1996 Mon 12 14 22 23 29
        03/18/1998 Wed 12 14 22 23 29

        09/18/1995 Mon 07 08 09 28 29
        05/20/1998 Wed 07 08 09 28 29

        11/30/1994 Wed 03 07 11 15 26
        09/17/1998 Thu 03 07 11 15 26

        08/04/1997 Mon 04 05 10 12 22
        01/07/2000 Fri 04 05 10 12 22

        08/05/1996 Mon 05 06 08 17 23
        06/07/2000 Wed 05 06 08 17 23

        06/06/1988 Mon 06 10 13 28 30
        07/26/1999 Mon 06 10 13 28 30

        12/21/1999 Tue 06 12 19 20 29
        04/10/2000 Mon 06 12 19 20 29

        04/15/1991 Mon 07 10 14 18 25
        05/07/1997 Wed 07 10 14 18 25

        03/04/1994 Fri 07 08 10 21 27
        02/12/2001 Mon 07 08 10 21 27

        01/03/1992 Fri 02 04 15 19 27
        02/17/1992 Mon 02 04 15 19 27

        07/05/2000 Wed 02 13 22 25 29
        03/28/2001 Wed 02 13 22 25 29

        01/26/1999 Tue 11 12 19 23 28
        06/08/2001 Fri 11 12 19 23 28

        02/04/1999 Thu 01 16 17 22 30
        10/22/2001 Mon 01 16 17 22 30

        07/24/2000 Mon 09 17 20 22 26
        11/12/2001 Mon 09 17 20 22 26

        09/27/2000 Wed 02 05 18 19 23
        02/07/2002 Thu 02 05 18 19 23

        12/19/1990 Wed 03 10 11 21 22
        02/14/2003 Fri 03 10 11 21 22

        05/17/1991 Wed 06 13 19 21 26
        03/19/2003 Wed 06 13 19 21 26

        04/01/1999 Thu 06 08 09 14 25
        08/28/2003 Thu 06 08 09 14 25

        12/03/1999 Fri 01 03 07 24 29
        10/01/2003 Wed 01 03 07 24 29

        10/30/2003 Thu 3 10 16 20 25
        12/01/2003 Mon 3 10 16 20 25

        07/24/1995 Mon 04 06 09 16 25
        01/08/2004 Thu 04 06 09 16 25

        05/30/2002 Thu 07 08 21 26 28
        01/14/2004 Wed 07 08 21 26 28

        These repeats are unusual to say the least. So how could they have happened and can we use this in any way to predict?

        Repeat combinations are common in all lottery games if they have the same matrix long enough.  They usually occur after 0.3% of the possible combinations of a matrix have been drawn.  Although Ohio Rolling Cash5 (5/39) has had only 1720 drawings since its start-up on 10/04/04, it has already had three repeats and will have more as more drawings take place if it keeps the same matrix.  The same thing happened with Buckeye5 (5/37) the game it replaced.  If you study these repeat combinations, you may discover the system favors particular groupings of numbers and that can give you some idea of the combinations that are more likely to occur in future drawings which could be helpful in picking a winning combination more often but hardly often enough to predict winners constantly.


        ROLLING CASH5

         09/09/09   01 06 18 24 39
         02/18/05   01 06 18 24 39

         01/04/09   14 17 20 22 30
         06/21/07   14 17 20 22 30

         12/20/08   07 08 16 34 36
         10/12/04   07 08 16 34 36

        Good luck, you may be on to something that could help you win a jackpot.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: November 7, 2009, 11:07 am - IP Logged

          Why would the system favor a particular grouping of numbers if the drawings are all random?

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            Posted: November 7, 2009, 11:37 am - IP Logged

             All of the biggest break throughs down through history........have come from the individuals "force of will" ....as much as anything else.

             The ability to absorb all of the set backs and failures and still maintain focus has been key.  

             

             

             

             

             P.S.  To date ...I have been unable to secure any sort of Government research grant to further my lottery studies.   LOL 

             

             

            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                   Win d    

              RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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              Posted: November 7, 2009, 12:49 pm - IP Logged

              Why would the system favor a particular grouping of numbers if the drawings are all random?

              I don't know and neither do I know why whole combinations of numbers start repeating after only 0.3% of the possible combinations have been drawn in every game that I've checked.   I only stated what I observed and what I thought further observations might show.  Perhaps too many people ideas about random is based on someone theory of randomness rather than what has been observed.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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