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Incredible and inaccurate hype - European profesor

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Posted: October 25, 2009, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

Recently I recived a flyer in the mail for a "system" by a European profesor who broke the code.

Typical baloney, but it included the information that only 2.5% of jackpot winners had played quick picks. It even said something like 4700 drawings had been studied to prove it.

Then the hype job continued and they were selling three toys of sorts, $39 each or all three for $99. One was a gizmo that spit out numbers to play (had to be some hand held RNG), another (this is good!) was a "spinner" that would create wheels for you, and I forget what the third one was.

I copied and pasted the QP info from the Powerball FAQ page, sent the flyer back to them and added a note that if they think only 2.5% of winning tickets were quick picks that they'd better fine tune their math a little bit before thye try to peddle lottery information.

It was from some Lottery Support Group or something similar in Arlington, Texas.

If you get one of these it is really good for a chuckle.

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I'm thinking these are the same guys sending out the e-mail about the guy who got shot in the foot for his lottery information.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: October 26, 2009, 8:34 am - IP Logged

    Recently I recived a flyer in the mail for a "system" by a European profesor who broke the code.

    Typical baloney, but it included the information that only 2.5% of jackpot winners had played quick picks. It even said something like 4700 drawings had been studied to prove it.

    Then the hype job continued and they were selling three toys of sorts, $39 each or all three for $99. One was a gizmo that spit out numbers to play (had to be some hand held RNG), another (this is good!) was a "spinner" that would create wheels for you, and I forget what the third one was.

    I copied and pasted the QP info from the Powerball FAQ page, sent the flyer back to them and added a note that if they think only 2.5% of winning tickets were quick picks that they'd better fine tune their math a little bit before thye try to peddle lottery information.

    It was from some Lottery Support Group or something similar in Arlington, Texas.

    If you get one of these it is really good for a chuckle.

    Green laugh

    I'm thinking these are the same guys sending out the e-mail about the guy who got shot in the foot for his lottery information.

    My first thought is that it's Jerry Jones trying to think of ways to pay off his new stadium.

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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      Posted: October 26, 2009, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

      Many of these system sellers B.S. is meant for lottery players who played very little and never check lottery websites or a lottery forum like LP.  I saw an advertisement by a system designer who claimed he had checked over 20,000 past lottery drawings and discovered a few facts.

      1. Less the 15% of the drawings had a number from the previous drawing.

      Any decent lottery software would show it happens in 50% of more of the drawings even in lotteries like PowerBall and MegaMillions that use a large pool of numbers.

      2. Winners who use birthdays or numbers lower than 32 in all of their combinations usually have to share their prize with lots of other winners.

      Check the lottery websites, lot of drawings with no numbers greater than 31 have no winners let alone multi-able winners.  What about games like West Virginia Cash25 with a pool of 25 numbers, does it have multi-able winners every drawings?

      He continued to point out other (so called) facts that convinced me he knew very little about actual lotteries and his system was based on theories he had made up.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: October 26, 2009, 6:08 pm - IP Logged

        rebuckeye,

        Good one!

        RJOh,

        Yeah, indeed. There's way too many clods out there trying to peddle "systems" that just make themselves look ridiculous. For casino games there's probably dozens of variations of "Double up and catch up" systems that never mention the house limit exists to make sure they won't work. Not to mention the fact that even if they did allow a non-stop progression that last winnig bet would be putting a lot of money at risk to to show a net profit of one unit of thatever the person was betting.

        I've seen the same system peddled with stories ranging from doing a favor for someone in the Bahamas who turned out to be a casino owner who taught them the system to someone teaching the sytem to someone who helped them escape from Castro.

        No steak, lots of sizzle, and it's always bet 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, etc...ad nauseam.

        In the sports betting world, a guy in Nevada started a newsletter that was a consumer guide to Sports Services. He called it Typsters or Gypsters. After the first issue was published services that he had given a bad rating to tried to bribe him to change the ratings, so he just exposed them in the second issue.

        I think some of the worst lotto info. I've seen was when playing Pick 3 always make sure your number totals 15.

        Most of this kind of hype is sold by degenerate players who are just trying to raise more money to keep playing.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: October 27, 2009, 1:33 am - IP Logged

          Many of these system sellers B.S. is meant for lottery players who played very little and never check lottery websites or a lottery forum like LP.  I saw an advertisement by a system designer who claimed he had checked over 20,000 past lottery drawings and discovered a few facts.

          1. Less the 15% of the drawings had a number from the previous drawing.

          Any decent lottery software would show it happens in 50% of more of the drawings even in lotteries like PowerBall and MegaMillions that use a large pool of numbers.

          2. Winners who use birthdays or numbers lower than 32 in all of their combinations usually have to share their prize with lots of other winners.

          Check the lottery websites, lot of drawings with no numbers greater than 31 have no winners let alone multi-able winners.  What about games like West Virginia Cash25 with a pool of 25 numbers, does it have multi-able winners every drawings?

          He continued to point out other (so called) facts that convinced me he knew very little about actual lotteries and his system was based on theories he had made up.


          Exactly, in WV6/25 the odds of a number from the previous draw not repeating in the next is only 15%.  While in the FL6/53 the odds of a number from the previous draw not repeating in the next is roughly 48%.

          So eliminating the possible repeating numbers is a good bet half of the time in the Florida 6/53 and not so good a bet in the WV6/25.

          In all lottery games there are many many more ways to lose then there are ways to win even the minimal prize.  I forget the exact number, in 6/49 if you bought all the combinations about 200,000 would be winners from the jackpot on down, the other 13.7 million would all be losers.  

          Trouble with knowing they're con artists,  is I still want to know what the trick is . . .

          BobP

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            Posted: October 27, 2009, 6:29 am - IP Logged

            The scammers only look silly to people who understand the math or can backtest the claims. That's a small minority of people; much smaller than the number of people who are willing to send them a few bucks for their "system". What counts is the many people that send funds to them, not the few that make fun of them.

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              Posted: October 27, 2009, 6:59 am - IP Logged

              I'm not the smartest light bulb in the knife drawer but sometimes it just seems like P T Barnum was right.

              Common sense seems to go out the window for some people in their fervor for easy money.

              The first question I always ask myself is if you have for instance "broken the code" of the lottery, why are you wasting time selling your "system" about it instead of being on tv every week with that big posterboard check in front of the cameras?

              Too many people just want to believe.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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                Posted: October 27, 2009, 7:17 pm - IP Logged


                Exactly, in WV6/25 the odds of a number from the previous draw not repeating in the next is only 15%.  While in the FL6/53 the odds of a number from the previous draw not repeating in the next is roughly 48%.

                So eliminating the possible repeating numbers is a good bet half of the time in the Florida 6/53 and not so good a bet in the WV6/25.

                In all lottery games there are many many more ways to lose then there are ways to win even the minimal prize.  I forget the exact number, in 6/49 if you bought all the combinations about 200,000 would be winners from the jackpot on down, the other 13.7 million would all be losers.  

                Trouble with knowing they're con artists,  is I still want to know what the trick is . . .

                BobP

                OHIO CLASSIC 649
                 possible combos of 6 / 49 numbers = 13983816
                  MATCH   ODDS                     WINNING COMBOS
                  6/6    1 : 13983816               1
                  5/6    1 : 54201                  258
                  4/6    1 : 1032                   13545
                  3/6    1 : 57                     246820
                 __________________________________________________
                 overall odds are 1 : 53.6         
                 winning combos 260624 = 1.86 % of possible combos

                MEGAMILLIONS
                 possible combos of 5 / 56 + 1 / 46 bonus numbers = 175711536
                  MATCH   ODDS                     WINNING COMBOS 
                  5/5+B  1 : 175711536              1               
                  5/5+0  1 : 3904701                45             
                  4/5+B  1 : 689065                 255             
                  4/5+0  1 : 15313                  11475           
                  3/5+B  1 : 13781                  12750           
                  3/5+0  1 : 306                    573750           
                  2/5+B  1 : 844                    208250         
                  1/5+B  1 : 141                    1249500         
                  0/5+B  1 : 75                     2349060         
                 _______________________________________________
                 overall odds are 1 : 39.8         
                 winning combos 4405086 = 2.5 % of possible combos

                Some players just don't want to believe the math that less than 3% of the possible combinations are winners making more than 97% of them losers, they would rather call the games a scam or say they are rigged.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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