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Posted: December 28, 2009, 9:41 pm - IP Logged

when a pick 4 draw number is broken down into high low you can have 16 possible combinations of high or low ranging from all high to all low.  my question, do all possible combinations have the same probability?

It would seem to me that they would, however my math skills in this area are lacking

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    Posted: December 29, 2009, 1:48 pm - IP Logged

    You are right, they all should have the same probability of being drawn, but if you want to know which ones came up most just separate them in to the 16 categories and check which category is the largest.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: December 29, 2009, 2:31 pm - IP Logged

      when a pick 4 draw number is broken down into high low you can have 16 possible combinations of high or low ranging from all high to all low.  my question, do all possible combinations have the same probability?

      It would seem to me that they would, however my math skills in this area are lacking

      thanks

      I guess you are talking about 16 combinations STRAIGHT for a Pick 4, because there are only 5 combinations BOXED:

      HHHH

      HHHL

      HHLL

      HLLL

      LLLL

       

      I Track this pattern in several states for the Pick 4 and Pick 3.  I have noticed that on a monthly basis, in all of the states that I track, (5 states), the HHHH and LLLL Hit the LEAST.  When these patterns do Hit, they normally Hit as doubles or triples (AABC, or AAAB). 

      The HHLL pattern Hits most often on a monthly basis.

      HHHL and LLLH  hit very often also, and would be the patterns to play, because they are the easiest patterns to catch and Wheel.

      For example, for HHHL, you would Wheel all of the High numbers (5,6,7,8,9) against the 1 or 2 Low Numbers that are showing up most often with this pattern during the particular month.  This would be a 6 or 7 digit Pick 4 wheel, producing 15 or 35 numbers to play, (according to the set of Wheels that I use).  There usually is an observable pattern about which Low numbers are Hitting most often with the High numbers.

      Likewise, for the pattern LLLH, you would do the same thing.  Wheel all of the Low numbers (0,1,2,3,4) against the 1 or 2 High Numbers that are showing up most often with Low numbers in the state for the month.

      For Both of these Patterns, HHHL and LLLH, the Lone L and Lone H, will change each month, so you may have to track that Lone number for 1 or 2 weeks in the beginning of the month to see what the pattern is first.  Then start playing the Pattern Mid-month.

      OR, you could just choose your favorite Lone L or H and Wheel it against the other group of numbers.

      I want to give Credit where Credit is due, for this Strategy.  I originally read this strategy in a post by

      BIG HITTER, and it does work, as he said.  So Thank YOU BIG HITTER for this insight.  Personally, I think that this is one of the better strategies on LP for Pick 4.

      Good Luck.

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        Posted: December 29, 2009, 6:06 pm - IP Logged

        RJOH and Destinycreation  thanks. Destinycreation yes I was refering to straight combinations. I had noticed that the ky midday HLHL comb was out 62 games. this is an area that in the past I did not pay attention to.  Thanks for your explaination. I'll take some time and study this more closely.

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          Posted: December 30, 2009, 4:54 am - IP Logged

          Of the 10,000 numerical possibilities in Pick 4:

           

          HHHH - 625 possibilities
          HHHL - 2,500 possibilities
          HHLL - 3,750 possibilities
          HLLL - 2,500 possibilities
          LLLL - 625 possibilities

          10,000 total.

          Odd-even? Same thing.

          Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

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            Posted: December 30, 2009, 8:05 pm - IP Logged

            thanks johnph77. I like to know the math behind the numbers.  If I could impose just a little more, are the various straight combinations that make up HHHL ie HHLH or HLHH etc evenly distributed?

            thanks

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              Posted: December 31, 2009, 9:30 am - IP Logged

              Of the 10,000 numerical possibilities in Pick 4:

               

              HHHH - 625 possibilities
              HHHL - 2,500 possibilities
              HHLL - 3,750 possibilities
              HLLL - 2,500 possibilities
              LLLL - 625 possibilities

              10,000 total.

              Odd-even? Same thing.

              There are 5 high digits and 5 low digits so in any way you arrange them it should be (5)X(5)X(5)X(5) or 625 possibilities.

              Using the digit 9 as highest, HHLL would be (56789) with (56789) with (01234) with (01234) or 625 possibilities. There are 16 different straight combinations each with 625 possibilities using high and low digits (even/odd too).

              Boxing them: 

              HHHH - 70 possibilities *

              HHHL - 175 possibilities

              HHLL - 225 possibilities

              HLLL - 175 possibilities

              LLLL - 70 possibilities **

               

              * includes the 5 high quads

              ** includes the 5 low quads

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                Posted: December 31, 2009, 12:52 pm - IP Logged

                thanks stack47

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                  Posted: December 31, 2009, 2:38 pm - IP Logged

                  thanks johnph77. I like to know the math behind the numbers.  If I could impose just a little more, are the various straight combinations that make up HHHL ie HHLH or HLHH etc evenly distributed?

                  thanks

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                  Yes!

                  LLLL 625
                  LLLH 625
                  LLHL 625
                  LLHH 625
                  LHLL 625
                  LHLH 625
                  LHHL 625
                  LHHH 625
                  HLLL 625
                  HLLH 625
                  HLHL 625
                  HLHH 625
                  HHLL 625
                  HHLH 625
                  HHHL 625
                  HHHH 625
                  =======
                  Total 10000

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                    Posted: January 1, 2010, 5:36 pm - IP Logged

                    thanks Raven..  Ky MID has not had a HLHL for 78 days now. we are a bit overdue for a midday double double so 7070 is looking good to me.

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                      Posted: January 2, 2010, 5:26 am - IP Logged

                      Yes!

                      LLLL 625
                      LLLH 625
                      LLHL 625
                      LLHH 625
                      LHLL 625
                      LHLH 625
                      LHHL 625
                      LHHH 625
                      HLLL 625
                      HLLH 625
                      HLHL 625
                      HLHH 625
                      HHLL 625
                      HHLH 625
                      HHHL 625
                      HHHH 625
                      =======
                      Total 10000

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                      Nicely done!

                      Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

                      Next week's convention for Psychics and Prognosticators has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

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                        Yes!

                        LLLL 625
                        LLLH 625
                        LLHL 625
                        LLHH 625
                        LHLL 625
                        LHLH 625
                        LHHL 625
                        LHHH 625
                        HLLL 625
                        HLLH 625
                        HLHL 625
                        HLHH 625
                        HHLL 625
                        HHLH 625
                        HHHL 625
                        HHHH 625
                        =======
                        Total 10000

                        Yes.

                        Even at .50 each straight that would cost you $312.50 per draw if you were to play all of only
                        one pattern out of 16. You would have to be very lucky to pick the right one for that particular draw,
                        also bear in mind the most popular ones could be sold out.
                        After examining these patterns for very long periods (years) I've observed that they don't follow
                        any particular time sequence  because of the constant variance caused by the
                        randomness system. These lottery people do their best to make sure the machines don't spit out
                        any repeated patterns that can be calculated this way. If they start doing this they will make changes to the machines. Whatever happened in the past wouldn't work anymore.
                        The numbers always change (observe the hot/cold breakdowns).
                        Hence, saying certain patterns are better in a particular month is not a constant. It always changes
                        over time. You can try to narrow down which numbers expected and hope that pattern comes out.
                        No guarantees!

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                          Posted: February 1, 2010, 4:27 am - IP Logged

                          Mister xxx   welcome to lotterypost.

                             This was never a suggestion to play all of any one group.  I am always looking for methods of eliminating #'s to arrive at 1 or 2 to actually play.  about 99.5% of the time I am wrong.  the idea here was once I come up with the four digits to play, which order do I want to play them. knowing which pattern is hot, or way overdue, is just another tool.

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                            I know you couldn't play all of one set. Like putting all your eggs in one basket.
                            There are many breakdowns to use as tools. Keeping track of the most recent activity
                            seems the better way to go rather than looking back at a particular month for numbers.
                            Expect the unexpected. Patterns will always change.

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                              I know you couldn't play all of one set. Like putting all your eggs in one basket.
                              There are many breakdowns to use as tools. Keeping track of the most recent activity
                              seems the better way to go rather than looking back at a particular month for numbers.
                              Expect the unexpected. Patterns will always change.

                              Break it down even further

                              H 7,8,9

                              M 3,4,5,6,

                              L 0,1,2,

                              Once you get use to working this way it is nice

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