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Posted: January 21, 2010, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

I was on wikipedia and did a search for instant scratch off tickets (I was interested in the history) and the following was mentioned:

Such cards are vulnerable to attack by devices which allow individuals to see through the concealing substance without physically disturbing it.

Is this true?

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    Posted: January 21, 2010, 10:45 pm - IP Logged

    Wikipedia is full of wrong statements.  I have found that to be true especially concerning lotteries.  It seems that lots of the articles are written by people who either harbor conspiracy theories or else they wished they had their own web site (but they don't) so they write and write, facts be damned.

     

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      Posted: January 21, 2010, 10:50 pm - IP Logged

      Thanks, Todd. The article did mention that a 'citation' was needed. Not sure what that means.

      In any case, glad to hear that this is not true! Thanks so much!

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        Posted: January 22, 2010, 7:50 am - IP Logged

        A citation is a reference to a legitimate source of the information.  Naturally when people make stuff up or base an article on rumors they can't provide a citation.

         

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          Posted: January 22, 2010, 8:42 am - IP Logged

          I was on wikipedia and did a search for instant scratch off tickets (I was interested in the history) and the following was mentioned:

          Such cards are vulnerable to attack by devices which allow individuals to see through the concealing substance without physically disturbing it.

          Is this true?

          It may be possible: Exposing the Ticket to the right wavelength of light may reveal the prizes hidden beneath the latex covering.

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            Posted: January 22, 2010, 9:48 am - IP Logged

            It may be possible: Exposing the Ticket to the right wavelength of light may reveal the prizes hidden beneath the latex covering.

            "The visible part of the spectrum falls between the wavelengths of 430nm~690nm. (1nm=10-9m) Infrared rays have much larger wavelengths than this. We divide them into "Near Infrared Rays" (690nm-4,000nm) and "Extreme Infrared Rays" (over 4,000nm).

            Unlike ultraviolet and visible rays, infrared rays tend to penetrate any medium rather easily because of their large wavelengths. This also means that infrared rays are not refracted when passing from one medium to another. When we shine sunlight through a prism, it is refracted at an angle according to its wavelength. The blue end of the visible spectrum has the shortest wavelength, so is refracted the most. At the other end of the spectrum, beyond the red (visible light), infrared rays are barely refracted at all because of their long wavelength. The KAYA PF Lens exploits this characteristic of infrared light. It only lets through these long-wavelength rays, which have low refractive rays, and not all the ultraviolet and visible rays."

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              Posted: January 25, 2010, 10:13 am - IP Logged

              Wikipedia is full of wrong statements.  I have found that to be true especially concerning lotteries.  It seems that lots of the articles are written by people who either harbor conspiracy theories or else they wished they had their own web site (but they don't) so they write and write, facts be damned.

              That's true.

              Another site that is given too much credence is Snopes. They are no more an authority or final word on anything than Wikipedia is.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                Posted: January 25, 2010, 6:03 pm - IP Logged

                That's true.

                Another site that is given too much credence is Snopes. They are no more an authority or final word on anything than Wikipedia is.

                That's right about Snopes. People think it's the ultimate "authority", and it's a husband & wife team that researches things on the internet. I do a better job than they do... I've caught them with so many mistakes on their site, that I know for a fact is wrong. It's pretty sad. It's too bad everybody puts them on such a pedestal. Roll Eyes

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                  Posted: January 27, 2010, 8:52 am - IP Logged

                  That's right about Snopes. People think it's the ultimate "authority", and it's a husband & wife team that researches things on the internet. I do a better job than they do... I've caught them with so many mistakes on their site, that I know for a fact is wrong. It's pretty sad. It's too bad everybody puts them on such a pedestal. Roll Eyes

                  That's right Lady and when it's a political topic they always seem to come down on the left side of things.

                  Everybody's got an agenda nowadays.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    Posted: January 27, 2010, 11:04 am - IP Logged

                    When you compare Wikipedia and Snopes to the rest of the internet, they are far more accurate than many sites.  They are an excellent source and should not be dismissed because of isolated incidents, lottery or otherwise.

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                      Posted: January 27, 2010, 3:27 pm - IP Logged

                      I was on wikipedia and did a search for instant scratch off tickets (I was interested in the history) and the following was mentioned:

                      Such cards are vulnerable to attack by devices which allow individuals to see through the concealing substance without physically disturbing it.

                      Is this true?

                      There have been instances in the past where store clerks had conspired with medical workers to x-ray tickets and pick out the winners, however in all of these situations, the statistically unusual amount of wins and the very fact that retailers were involved prompted investigations that unveiled the conspiracy.   Other methods have been to use intense light (candling) or to separate the layers with solvents in a fashion that they could be layered back on.   These days, there's usually a foil backing behind the scratch-off area to block x-rays, the latex scratch-off ink is in multiple layers of geometric patterns to make it impossible to make out the symbols (this is why the stuff is all sorts of colors when scratched off but just grey when unscratched the underlying layers are different colors).   The formulation of the latex ink is also such that solvents will render it impossible to reattach.    These methods have also been frustrated by requiring the vendors to track their accounting sequentially and prohibit the sales of pre-separated tickets.

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                        Posted: January 28, 2010, 10:48 am - IP Logged

                        It's not latex and exposing to multiple amplitudes of the electromagnetic spectrum will not reveal the information listed underneath.  All lotteries have security departments that test for these types of things anyway.

                        Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

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                          Posted: January 28, 2010, 10:59 am - IP Logged

                          It's not latex and exposing to multiple amplitudes of the electromagnetic spectrum will not reveal the information listed underneath.  All lotteries have security departments that test for these types of things anyway.

                          Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

                          On that same note: Why should we believe you?

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