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# What are the Odds ??

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 Posted: February 27, 2010, 1:18 pm - IP Logged

1) Odds in hitting 5 out of 5 with 39 balls is 1 in 575,575

IL Little lotto (02/25/04 - 02/26/10) = 2,193 drawings - 5 different sets of (5 out of 5) have each hit  twice in the 2,193 drawings, and (4 out of 5) hitting more than once in the same period make up 45% of the total 2,193 drawings.

Interesting!!!!

OH Rolling Cash 5 (10/04/04 -02/26/10) = 1,834 drawings - 4 different sets of (5 out of 5) have each hit twice in the 1,834 drawings,and (4 out of 5) hitting more than once in the same period make up 45% of the total 1,834 drawings.

Very Interesting !!!!

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2) Odds in hitting 5 out of 5 with 31 balls is 1 in 169,911

WI Badger 5 (02/17/03 -02/26/10) = 2,567 drawings - 36 different sets of (5 out of 5) have each hit twice in 2,567 drawings & 1 set of (5 out of 5) has hit three times; and, (4 out of 5) hitting more than once in the time period mentioned above make up 85% of the total 2,567 drawings.

Very Very Interesting!!!!

I ASK YOU --- WHAT ARE THE ODDS??????????

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 Posted: February 27, 2010, 2:37 pm - IP Logged

Just in case you are wondering what the multiple 5 out of 5 are:

 Illinois Little Lotto Date 2006-09-21 1 4 7 14 39 2009-11-13 1 4 7 14 39 2009-03-25 5 17 25 37 38 2009-05-06 5 17 25 37 38 2005-12-06 14 21 22 26 36 2007-04-16 14 21 22 26 36 2006-12-15 15 31 32 36 38 2008-05-31 15 31 32 36 38 2004-09-28 17 18 26 29 36 2009-07-25 17 18 26 29 36 Ohio Rolling Cash 5 Date 2005-02-18 1 6 18 24 39 2009-09-09 1 6 18 24 39 2006-04-25 3 14 25 35 37 2008-03-22 3 14 25 35 37 2004-10-12 7 8 16 34 36 2008-12-20 7 8 16 34 36 2007-06-21 14 17 20 22 30 2009-01-04 14 17 20 22 30 Wisconsin Badger 5 Date 2004-08-11 1 2 11 17 26 2007-03-22 1 2 11 17 26 2004-07-26 1 4 9 10 12 2005-12-01 1 4 9 10 12 2004-03-19 1 4 10 18 25 2009-12-13 1 4 10 18 25 2006-11-08 1 6 22 23 29 2009-04-25 1 6 22 23 29 2006-08-19 1 7 12 26 29 2009-09-19 1 7 12 26 29 2005-08-09 1 8 17 19 20 2009-11-15 1 8 17 19 20 2004-08-28 1 11 23 24 26 2008-08-27 1 11 23 24 26 2006-06-29 2 3 8 9 10 2008-07-20 2 3 8 9 10 2005-06-06 2 6 12 18 28 2008-10-20 2 6 12 18 28 2008-02-04 2 8 9 16 23 2008-08-07 2 8 9 16 23 2005-08-18 2 8 11 12 31 2005-11-07 2 8 11 12 31 2004-09-16 2 11 19 26 30 2004-10-08 2 11 19 26 30 2007-10-11 3 4 7 13 24 2009-12-19 3 4 7 13 24 2003-07-06 3 4 19 29 31 2007-11-06 3 4 19 29 31 2004-09-07 3 5 7 14 25 2005-06-26 3 5 7 14 25 2005-11-18 3 5 11 24 27 2009-08-03 3 5 11 24 27 2004-01-22 4 8 26 29 31 2004-09-01 4 8 26 29 31 2004-07-21 4 12 15 24 27 2008-04-11 4 12 15 24 27 2006-05-29 4 15 17 21 25 2006-10-19 4 15 17 21 25 2006-10-15 4 18 22 26 29 2009-04-19 4 18 22 26 29 2007-02-09 5 6 8 15 19 2007-03-20 5 6 8 15 19 2004-04-06 5 10 26 27 31 2009-04-04 5 10 26 27 31 2007-08-16 5 13 17 19 29 2007-09-29 5 13 17 19 29 2003-07-08 5 15 18 22 30 2005-10-23 5 15 18 22 30 2003-10-07 6 10 14 23 26 2006-11-13 6 10 14 23 26 2003-02-26 6 10 21 22 28 2006-10-03 6 10 21 22 28 2008-08-08 6 10 21 22 28 2005-06-16 6 16 19 21 28 2005-07-07 6 16 19 21 28 2004-02-15 6 17 21 23 26 2006-03-15 6 17 21 23 26 2007-08-22 7 9 15 19 31 2009-11-29 7 9 15 19 31 2004-11-26 7 10 12 19 31 2005-02-18 7 10 12 19 31 2007-01-15 7 12 23 26 30 2009-06-25 7 12 23 26 30 2007-02-19 8 9 11 18 25 2009-06-08 8 9 11 18 25 2005-02-09 10 16 19 21 27 2005-10-10 10 16 19 21 27 2005-10-05 12 15 17 27 30 2009-01-08 12 15 17 27 30 2005-02-17 13 14 15 20 31 2008-02-21 13 14 15 20 31 2003-03-29 14 16 22 24 29 2004-04-14 14 16 22 24 29 2007-10-06 23 24 25 27 28 2008-08-06 23 24 25 27 28
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 Posted: March 1, 2010, 11:32 am - IP Logged

Now that you know certain combinations are repeating when less than 5% of the possible combinations have hit, does this limits the combinations you're likely to play in these games?

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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 Posted: March 1, 2010, 1:37 pm - IP Logged

No. Because I search for combinations of 4 of the same numbers hitting (hitting more than once) and group them into select groups

e.g. Illinois Little Lotto

 2006-02-03 3 11 21 22 34 2006-09-11 3 15 21 28 34 2008-06-16 3 16 21 22 28 2009-03-04 3 21 22 28 34 2004-08-24 3 21 22 32 34 2007-07-31 3 21 24 26 34 2007-12-21 3 22 25 28 34

I have put some 300 groups like the one shown above into a worksheet.  Each group has a min of 2 lines  & up to 7 lines for this one.  Just scanning this group, I would be proned to select a favorite # as 3 21 22 28 34. It should be noted that these 300+ groups of 4 or more numbers hitting more than once make up 45% of the total drawings. ( 5 balls of out a total of 39 balls). And in the case of Wi Badger 5 (5 balls of out a total of 31 balls) groups of 4 or more hitting more than once make up 85% of the total drawings.

As you but on the bottom of your replies. " What happens most, will most likely happen again ".

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 Posted: March 1, 2010, 2:03 pm - IP Logged

Please disregard line 5 as that was a cut & paste error.  3 21 24 26 34 does not belong in this group.  Instead of 7 lines in this group there should only be 6

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 Posted: March 1, 2010, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

Hey Butch, i would like a plug to the source of  the data, where did you find that info? Those are valuable stats that i really can use.

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 Posted: March 1, 2010, 5:44 pm - IP Logged

Lets say that we are going to reverse the game. We are going to play a game of "bet you can't do that agian". So the first drawing in the Rolling Cash was held on 10/04/2004, and guess what - we were there. We recorded the winning combo, and on 10/05/2004 we said "bet you cant do that agian". What we are actually saying is - there are 575,757 possible combinations, and i doubt you (Ohio RC) can play that one agian. Why? Because thats a 1 out of 575,757 odds. Now drawing #2 comes around and they didn't do it. Now we have two combinations that we are saying - "bet you can do that again". As the days and drawings go by our "bet you can't do that" list grows and grows. It will never go away, every day we are subjecting these reversed odds. So after a year we now have 365 drawings that we are saying - "bet you can't do that again". Thats 365 out of 575,757. Reduced looks more like 1 out of 1577. Well if we keep this up the odds get closer and closer and eventually the state will take you up on your bet. To further prove this we can look at the number of days between the repeats. It seems as tho it was once a year, but as time goes on and odds get smaller you will notice that the amount of days in between get shorter, and shorter yet to come.

As of 2/26/2010 you claim that there were 1834 drawings. That is now 1830 out of 575,757(1834 minus the four duplicates). Reduced looks more like 1 out of 313.

Likewise, you can apply the same theory to part(b) of the question. Without going to far into detail, remember that there are far less 4-way combinations of 39 balls, than 5-way. 82,251 to be exact. Also remember that in each drawing there are actually 5 four-ways combo within that one winning combination. So the "bet you cant do that again" is alot easier for the state to overcome when it comes to repeating a 4-way.

Anyway this is only my two cents, hope you turn it into millions.

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 Posted: March 2, 2010, 12:21 am - IP Logged

If the game lasts long enough without a matrix change we'll eventually get to the point where the unlikely outcome is having a result that hasn't come up previously.

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