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# Oldest Draw-All States

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 Posted: March 11, 2010, 10:49 am - IP Logged

(LotPro users step up. This can be done in LotSoft)

It is painstaking (unless someone can think of a way to automate it--hint for Ricky)

1. Find the oldest draw for each state--ie the longest out draw not numbers that have never hit.

2. You noew have 62 or 63 numbers--I don't have PR so I have 62 "states."

3. Make sure you generate all for the same date. The list I produce below was generated for March 7 (ie it included draws for March 7 and went backward to find the draw that was out the longest-).

4. My hypothesis was that draws that are out will hit whether in that state or in another.

I also reasoned that the more frequent a draw is out (ie mutiple states) the more likely it is to hit somewhere.

On both counts my reasoning was validated by the evidence. Will complete in multiple posts so please keep reading on.

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Here is the list with each state. Longest out draws from March 7 backwards. First column is the state. Next column is the oldest draw . Last column is the number of draws ago that number hit.

State    Oldest Draw    Skip
AR (E)    118    83
AR (M)    427    71
AZ (E)    881    3397
CA (E)    321    3893
CA (M)    172    2385
CT (E)    731    3918
CT (M)    952    3008
DC (E)    966    2336
DC (M)    684    2330
DE (E)    135    3777
DE (M)    396    1997
FL (E)    231    3836
FL (M)    100    657
GA (E)    672    5398
GA (M)    144    3514
ID (E)    929    2693
ID (M)    313    19
IL (E)    179    4497
IL (M)    859    3852
IN (E)    413    3938
IN (M)    963    2423
KS (E)    641    3828
KY (E)    002    3945
KY (M)    849    3181
LA (E)    883    3945
MD (E)    114    3888
MD (M)    447    3657
MI (E)    781    7335
MI (M)    235    4226
MN (E)    926    3917
MO (E)    956    3964
MO (M)    455    1761
NC (E)    593    958
NC (M)    926    587
NE (E)    302    1249
NJ (E)    230    8423
NJ (M)    578    2743
NM (E)    589    2734
NY (E)    218    3876
NY (M)    630    2722
OH (E)    214    3473
OH (M)    812    3111
OK (E)    736    1287
Ont(E)    205    3032
PA (E)    207    3895
PA (M)    519    2283
QC (E)    206    3020
SC (E)    015    2632
SC (M)    748    1841
TN (E)    677    1908
TN (M)    929    1093
Tri(E)    118    3869
Tri(M)    756    2144
TX (E)    733    4807
TX (M)    505    2201
VA (E)    981    6250
VA (M)    260    3483
WA (E)    993    3910
WC (E)    715    3002
WI (E)    659    3972
WV (E)    139    3400

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 Posted: March 11, 2010, 11:03 am - IP Logged

Here are the results for the days since. Watch how the hits are distributed. Notice that a brave person playing all the numbers all states would more than break even on Mar 9. My tentatove hypothesis is that it appears to kick in big after 2 days. Note: Disregard the doubles (no straight hits so far but ....and the profit is whoa...) Remeber we are only aiming for straight hits. Do the boxed workouts and you'll see that even with box it is still profitable. amazing.

March 8   (1 hit) 313 CT (E)

March 9   (5 hits)  230 CA(M)  231 NC(E)  396 IL(M) 630 AR(E)  956 AZ(E)

March 10 (9 hits! with 43 singles)   230 NC(E)  313 NC(M)  519 OH(M)  578 DE(E)  659 TRiSt(M)

781 TN(M)  926  GA(E)   981 NJ(M)

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Here are the numbers sorted. Hits (straight) to date (mar 8 to 9) are in highlighted.

002 015 100 114 118 118 135 139 144 172

179 205 206 207 214 218 230 231 235 260

302 313 321 396 413 427 447 455 505 519

578 589 593 630 641 659 672 677 684 715

731 733 736 748 756 781 812 849 859 881

883 926 926 929 929 952 956 963 966 981

993

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Very interesting. I find it kind of eerie how a number that's oldest drawn in one state shows up in another (straight). I did the math and the payoff was about double. My rough estimate was around 2300 bucks spent, and 5500 bucks returned. Nice profit of about 3200 bucks.

Once a set has won, do you still include it in the next round of bets? Or do you play all 63 sets everytime?

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Still trying to filter--sums, roots etc...But I am interested in those that start repeating early. Look at that 313 and 230. Repeat in just 3 days. They are sure to come up again within another 3 days. Also since they are more less fair in distribution I will play the full set in states that have not had a hit yet.

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Very interesting. I find it kind of eerie how a number that's oldest drawn in one state shows up in another (straight). I did the math and the payoff was about double. My rough estimate was around 2300 bucks spent, and 5500 bucks returned. Nice profit of about 3200 bucks.

Once a set has won, do you still include it in the next round of bets? Or do you play all 63 sets everytime?

Ooops...my math was off.

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Still trying to filter--sums, roots etc...But I am interested in those that start repeating early. Look at that 313 and 230. Repeat in just 3 days. They are sure to come up again within another 3 days. Also since they are more less fair in distribution I will play the full set in states that have not had a hit yet.

So each time you bet, the amount of cost would go down because you'd be only playing the reamining states, not the ones that won already. So in 3 days you won 15 times in 15 states which will not be included in the next round. Am I correct in this?

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So each time you bet, the amount of cost would go down because you'd be only playing the reamining states, not the ones that won already. So in 3 days you won 15 times in 15 states which will not be included in the next round. Am I correct in this?

If my assumption is correct in the quote above, then maybe I should wait until there's only a few states left that haven't hit and just play those couple of states. Then the cost wouldn't be so monumental. Maybe wait till just one state is left. This is only if every state will eventually hit.

Then start the whole process of oldest draw all over agin and get new numbers to play, but wait till there is only one state and bet the farm....lol

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 Posted: March 11, 2010, 3:34 pm - IP Logged

If you play all numbers in all states you play approx 62 numbers in 62 "states"--ie morn and eve.

Cost \$961 ==4.28 draws to break even. 5 hits or more will make you a profit.

Play only the singles numbers (43) and increase yr profit further. Cost =\$666.5 ie 2.97 draws.

Yesterday Mar 10 had 8 straight hits! if you opnly played the 43 singles in all states. 8--2.97=5.03 ie more than \$1100 profit!!!!

on a \$666.5 investment

note: This is for hypothetical online play (if that is available), playing 25 cents per draw per state.

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Still trying to filter--sums, roots etc...But I am interested in those that start repeating early. Look at that 313 and 230. Repeat in just 3 days. They are sure to come up again within another 3 days. Also since they are more less fair in distribution I will play the full set in states that have not had a hit yet.

Read this carefully. and look at the two numbers  mentioned.

NM (E) 313

OH (E) 230

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 Posted: March 12, 2010, 3:44 pm - IP Logged

March 11 update

March 8   (1 hit) 313 CT (E)

March 9   (5 hits)  230 CA(M)  231 NC(E)  396 IL(M) 630 AR(E)  956 AZ(E)

March 10 (9 hits! with 43 singles)   230 NC(E)  313 NC(M)  519 OH(M)  578 DE(E)  659 TRiSt(M)

781 TN(M)  926  GA(E)   981 NJ(M)

March 11 (3 hits) 230 OH(E)  313 NM(E)  883 NY(E)

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