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Posted: June 20, 2010, 10:37 am - IP Logged

Someone please calc this for me. I need a mathmatical average for Fantasy 5. There are 376,992 combinations, the filter I need the average for makes up 9039 of the combinations. There are 7 draws per week, 364 a year. I think that's all you need. Win D did this for me in Cash 3 strings. I lost everthing when computer crashed.

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    CARBOB

     

    filter = 9039 / 376,992 or .024% of total sets. 

    as long as the filter = 9039 the percent will

    stay the same no matter how many draws

    are drawn.  In one year of 364 drawings the

    average number of hits would be

    .024 * 364 = 8.736.  I am unsure if this

    is what you mean.

     

    RL

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    I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

    they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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      Posted: June 20, 2010, 6:56 pm - IP Logged

      That's what I'm looking for!! Doesn't line up very good.

      I broke the draw

      0415181922

      into this 

      IDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDID
      123124125134135145234235345

       

      the ID of those gives me (444444444) which makes up 9039 combinations of the total combos for ID6, which breaks down like this

        HITSMEDMAXAVGSKIP
      44444444490392545103130.4065
      34444444441372245103148.1837
      33434445533301645103203.7532
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      34444455541641445103232.8613
      44445544527371245103271.67123
      44444544424181145103296.3648
      44344445530001145103296.3631
      44544544416631045103326.001
      3445544452217845103407.50125
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      4444544542859745103465.71282
      4454544543309745103465.715
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      4444444552118645103543.3355
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      3434344451910545103652.00195
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        Please post in the appropriate forum ... thank you.

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          That's what I'm looking for!! Doesn't line up very good.

          I broke the draw

          0415181922

          into this 

          IDIDIDIDIDIDIDIDID
          123124125134135145234235345

           

          the ID of those gives me (444444444) which makes up 9039 combinations of the total combos for ID6, which breaks down like this

            HITSMEDMAXAVGSKIP
          44444444490392545103130.4065
          34444444441372245103148.1837
          33434445533301645103203.7532
          44444455419901545103217.33110
          34444455541641445103232.8613
          44445544527371245103271.67123
          44444544424181145103296.3648
          44344445530001145103296.3631
          44544544416631045103326.001
          3445544452217845103407.50125
          4455544551411845103407.5091
          3443453441710845103407.5044
          3344553451695845103407.50223
          4444544542859745103465.71282
          4454544543309745103465.715
          444444555829745103465.7189
          4344534541125745103465.7190
          4444444552118645103543.3355
          4445445441242645103543.3382
          44455455554645103543.3378
          3434344451910545103652.00195
          4344553551095545103652.0024
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          4334545462252451031630.00554
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          CARBOB

          can you explain the 444444444, I not sure what this is

          RL

          Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

          I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

          they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

          USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

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            P1 P2 P3 P4 P5
            04 15 18 19 22

            ID OF P1-P2-P3 = 4
                  P1-P2-P4 = 4
                  P1-P2-P5 = 4
                  P1-P3-P4 = 4
                  P1-P3-P5 = 4
                  P1-P4-P5 = 4
                  P2-P3-P4 = 4
                  P2-P3-P5 = 4
                  P3-P4-P5 = 4

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              CARBOB

              can you explain the 444444444, I not sure what this is

              RL

              CARBOB

              I figured it out,  If your looking for methods of reducing sets or trying to find patterns then remember this

              any method that you use that increases the odds from where you started is a step in the wrong direction.

              consider this

              if you play ID = 2 the only 4 digits that can make 5 or more numbers are the digits 1-2-3 

              There are 3 combos of 2 that can be taken from these digits   1-2,  1,3,  2,3. 

              However.

              choice #1.  1-2 make the numbers 01-02-11-12-21-22.  

              choice #2.  1-3 make the numbers 01-03-11-13-31-33. 

              choice #3.  2-3 make the numbers 02-03-22-23-32-33. 

              In a 5-39 lottery

              If ID = 2 only digits 1-2-3 only are capable of producing enough numbers to build a 5 number set.  

              ID=2 gives  6 numbers  and 6 total sets of 5.  Only .000010421% of all draws fit this ID value.

              As you can see from the above the digit selection plays a big role in how many sets can be built.

              Some examples using ID = 6

              digits 1-2-3-4-5-6 = 5241 sets.

              digits 1-2-3-4-5-0 = 4111 sets

              digits 2-3-4-5-6-7 = 682   sets

              digits 2-3-4-5-6-0 = 457   sets

              digits 3-4-5-6-7-8 = 31     sets

              digits 3-4-5-6-7-0 = 16     sets

              These are the total unfiltered sets that can be made from ID=6 and using the digits shown.

              It is very easy to see how the digit selection effects the total sets possible when all the

              digits must occur in each set.  This also explains why digits 1-2-3 occur in most draws. 

               

              Digit selection is only the first step and here are the stats

              select 1 digit from 10 = 10%

              select 1 digit from 9   = 11%

              select 1 digit from 8   = 12.5%

              select 1 digit from 7   = 14.3%

              select 1 digit from 6   = 16.7%

              select 1 digit from 5   = 20%

              select 1 digit from 4   = 25%

              select 1 digit from 3   = 33.3%

              select 1 digit from 2   = 50%

              select 1 digit from 1   = 100%

               

              select your digits using this logic. Lets say you decide on ID=5 for this example you will select

              5 of the ten digits 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9.  Your first selection has a 50% chance of being correct

              for any digit selected.  You now have 9 digits remaining to select 4 more digits from. If you select

              another your odds of being correct have droped to 44%.  However if you next select a digit that

              won't hit you have a 55.5% chance of being correct and then your next selection is back up to a

              50/50 chance for either a hit or miss.  If your lottery has a very high hit rate of the digits 1-2-3

              you can select them first and then use the logic above to select the remaining digits.  

              Consider this, If ID= 5 and digits 1-2-3 are pulled from the pool then you need only select 2

              of the remaining digits.  2 of 7 = 28.5% If the logic above is applied and you select a digit not

              to play you have a 71.5% of being correct and if you then select another digit to miss you still

              have a 66.7% chance of being right.  Whit every choice you make recalculate the odds for your

              next selection and make the one that has the best odds.  This alone without any other data 

              will provide better results then using any draw history data.  If you have a digit that the data

              says has a very good chance then add it to the 1-2-3 at the start.

               

              Placement of the digits.

              This is where draw history can play a very big role.  Never combine digits into sets unless you

              have a very good hit record in doing so, if you have a proven system then by all means use it..

              If you are like most of us than use this method.  A simple search of past draws that collects the

              digits for each of the 10 positions is best.  You will have 5ea 1st number list and 5ea 2nd  number

              list.  Do a little math and calculate the odds for each of the possible digits for each position.

              For the first number digits In a 5-39 game you only have 0-1-2-3 to select from.  First calculate

              odds for each digit then calculate the odds for all the first digits hitting togeather.  Check the

              skip rates with any other data you wish to consider and fill in the first 5 digits.  This one is

              a bit harder.  First use the same method from above and make a trial run.  Assemble the

              digits into numbers placing the first digits with the second digits making the numbers for the

              set.  Next count and make sure that all your digits selected anr in the set at least once.

              The next step is to then compare this set to the previous nights drawing. Notice how many

              digits line up with the previous draw. A study of past draw history can lead to very interesting

              data.  Notice how often that repeat digits match or do not match and how many repeats move

              to the right or left of the previous hit.  Many times you will find a zig zag pattern of repeating

              digits from draw to draw.  Never just look at your data, Do a count.  I have found that some

              digits stand out much more than others.  Add them up and use this data for it will supprise you

              what you miss just looking. 

              Follow these simple rules and your play will improve in using this system.  I will post this to 

              my system post also.

              Thanks

              RL

              Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

              I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

              they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

              USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

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