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Petition for True Lottery Drawings ??

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joplin
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Posted: June 20, 2010, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

1.  When will petition be delivered and to whom?

2.  How many names do you hope to get before its sent?

3.  At this time in history, do you really want the federal

     to mandate how states conduct lotteries?

4.  Is a petition the most effective way to make such change?

5.  Might it be possible that an effort be made to instead,

     petitiion each state, by its residents, carry more weight?

Todd, has made strong argument for the use of mechanical

draws over computer.  And I agree with him.  My question is:

1.  Would mechanical produce more wins?  

2.  Have there been any studies, that found ping-pong balls

     superior to mechanical draws?

3.  Cannot mechanical draws be Hacked?

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    Posted: June 20, 2010, 7:06 pm - IP Logged

    The lottery is their money making scheme.. If we don't like it , no one is forcing us to play..  It will always be in the houses favor and a few lucky dogs will win .. That is the way it is...   Lets not make another stupid law that is only enforced when it is in their favor...

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      joplin
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      Posted: June 20, 2010, 7:22 pm - IP Logged

      1.  When will petition be delivered and to whom?

      2.  How many names do you hope to get before its sent?

      3.  At this time in history, do you really want the federal

           to mandate how states conduct lotteries?

      4.  Is a petition the most effective way to make such change?

      5.  Might it be possible that an effort be made to instead,

           petitiion each state, by its residents, carry more weight?

      Todd, has made strong argument for the use of mechanical

      draws over computer.  And I agree with him.  My question is:

      1.  Would mechanical produce more wins?  

      2.  Have there been any studies, that found ping-pong balls

           superior to mechanical draws?

      3.  Cannot mechanical draws be Hacked?

      I meant on #2 question--Have there been any studies, that 

      found ping-pong ball superior to computer draws?

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        Posted: June 20, 2010, 7:44 pm - IP Logged

        I meant on #2 question--Have there been any studies, that 

        found ping-pong ball superior to computer draws?

        What do you mean "superior"?  What do you consider "superior"?

        Also, "hacking" is a a term that means altering the way a computer program works.  So I'd answer "no", ball drawings cannot be "hacked".  If you think there's a possibilty, please tell me your scenario.

        (Changing ball weights or dimensions or something is not "hacking".  It is something that the normal procedures would catch anyway.)

         

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          joplin
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          Posted: June 20, 2010, 8:43 pm - IP Logged

          I just wondered if there was any evidence that mechanical drawings were better than computer draws.  Maybe I might of used a better word.

          As to "hacking"  I know the term refers to computers, but I expect most would understand what I mean.  Something done in secret to influnce the outcome.

          You say, "It is something that the normal procedures would catch anyway."  We could never really know that to be true or not.  If one can believe, that state

          might conspire to control lottery results by computers, that same state might do likewise with mechanical draws.  

          Not only can the balls be changed ever so slight, but air pressure could change results as well.

          I don't think anyone, believes that states went to computer draws to save a little money.  For that reason alone I would prefer mechanical draws.

          And yet "seeing is believing?" I am not so sure.  If you've been to a magic show, you know what I mean.

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            Posted: June 21, 2010, 7:48 pm - IP Logged

            In the end, nothing will get changed because too many people talk and not act on what they really want. Every night when the numbers are ready to be drawn, even with RNG's, you're all sitting there with tickets...knowing it's going to be a computer draw.

            Why? Because you're hoping for that win to come which is what the states bank on. It's all about hope here. If anyone were really serious about this RNG stuff, they simply wouldn't play...PERIOD. But, you can't resist the temptation which is set before you. So, you go out and play anyway.

            Then, when a funky drawing happens, you come back here and complain about the same thing...again. Can you see where I'm going here? When you really don't like something, you STAY AWAY FROM IT. Stop playing, write your congressman, call, and whatever else you need to do people. It's the only way.

             

            L.L.

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              joplin
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              Posted: June 24, 2010, 2:03 am - IP Logged

              Thanks for everyones input, I don't know about you, but I've learned a lot with this post.

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                Posted: June 24, 2010, 10:54 am - IP Logged

                As a United States Citizen, you have the right to Petition...
                - Congress
                - State Government and Legislatures
                - Courts at any level

                Under the right of petition, individuals, groups of citizens, and Corporations may lobby for laws and policies that favor them.

                A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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                  Posted: June 24, 2010, 11:05 am - IP Logged

                  As a United States Citizen, you have the right to Petition...
                  - Congress
                  - State Government and Legislatures
                  - Courts at any level

                  Under the right of petition, individuals, groups of citizens, and Corporations may lobby for laws and policies that favor them.

                  I Agree!

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                    Posted: June 24, 2010, 8:55 pm - IP Logged

                    I say we paint numbers on the congress and senators and shoot them up thru a tube.

                    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                    For a lead role in a cage?

                     

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                      Posted: June 25, 2010, 9:50 am - IP Logged

                      I say we paint numbers on the congress and senators and shoot them up thru a tube.

                      I say just shoot em  and pick last 3 standing :) but we would not have box or straight :) just 3 fat flobs with numbers .




                      P.S
                      Politicians are a glorify meter maids anyway.

                      And the answer is ???       U won't get it, if u don't ask the question ??

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                        Posted: June 30, 2010, 9:47 pm - IP Logged

                        1.  When will petition be delivered and to whom?

                        2.  How many names do you hope to get before its sent?

                        3.  At this time in history, do you really want the federal

                             to mandate how states conduct lotteries?

                        4.  Is a petition the most effective way to make such change?

                        5.  Might it be possible that an effort be made to instead,

                             petitiion each state, by its residents, carry more weight?

                        Todd, has made strong argument for the use of mechanical

                        draws over computer.  And I agree with him.  My question is:

                        1.  Would mechanical produce more wins?  

                        2.  Have there been any studies, that found ping-pong balls

                             superior to mechanical draws?

                        3.  Cannot mechanical draws be Hacked?

                        In response to Point 3 in Section 2, "Cannot mechanical draws be Hacked?", that could be done only by corrupt lottery officials. Take for example the Pennsylvania Lottery 666 scandal of 24 April 1980. Nick Perry, the drawings announcer, came up with the idea of weighting the balls. With the help of drawings official Edward Plevel and art director Joseph Bock, he was able to make replicas of the official balls and weight them with latex paint, and then put the weighted balls in the lottery machine. Only the 4 and the 6 balls weren't weighted, so 8 combinations could come up. It happened that the number was 666.

                        Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

                        In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

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                          Posted: July 1, 2010, 12:13 pm - IP Logged

                          In the end, nothing will get changed because too many people talk and not act on what they really want. Every night when the numbers are ready to be drawn, even with RNG's, you're all sitting there with tickets...knowing it's going to be a computer draw.

                          Why? Because you're hoping for that win to come which is what the states bank on. It's all about hope here. If anyone were really serious about this RNG stuff, they simply wouldn't play...PERIOD. But, you can't resist the temptation which is set before you. So, you go out and play anyway.

                          Then, when a funky drawing happens, you come back here and complain about the same thing...again. Can you see where I'm going here? When you really don't like something, you STAY AWAY FROM IT. Stop playing, write your congressman, call, and whatever else you need to do people. It's the only way.

                           

                          L.L.

                          Tennessee uses a compuer.  AND I DO NOT PLAY!  I also encourage all my friends and acquaintences not to play.  I encourage people on LP not to play those games with RNG draws.

                          There is a story here about Tennessee and when they switched from ball drop to computer.  Do a search.  I believe it can be found in the Pick 3 section.  But after reading about Tennessee's troubles, can anyone doubt that computer draws are really selections and not draws?  If so, I have a bridge over the Tennessee River I need to sell you.

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                            Posted: July 2, 2010, 1:27 am - IP Logged

                            1.  When will petition be delivered and to whom?

                            2.  How many names do you hope to get before its sent?

                            3.  At this time in history, do you really want the federal

                                 to mandate how states conduct lotteries?

                            4.  Is a petition the most effective way to make such change?

                            5.  Might it be possible that an effort be made to instead,

                                 petitiion each state, by its residents, carry more weight?

                            Todd, has made strong argument for the use of mechanical

                            draws over computer.  And I agree with him.  My question is:

                            1.  Would mechanical produce more wins?  

                            2.  Have there been any studies, that found ping-pong balls

                                 superior to mechanical draws?

                            3.  Cannot mechanical draws be Hacked?

                            gsc5

                            I may be a little Paranoid, but yes mechanicals are no different from RNG's and can be hacked. 

                            The term hacking has crossed over and is now applied to many high tech fields.  Hacking a

                            mechanial system to change or control it's output is very much possible.  This can be done

                            and made very hard to detect if not impossible.  I am somewhat of a techie and even if a ball

                            was cut apart and scanned with a electron microscope and its chemical makeup analysed, it

                            would be hard to detect any difference between balls and yet they could be as different

                            from one another as day is from night.  Unless one new what to look for to begin with than

                            no way.  Many of the newest high tech discoveries have been classified and you will never

                            hear about them and probably better off not knowing.  I am not saying that the lotteries use

                            this stuff but it does exist.  One must consult many different fields of research and be able to

                            put A and B togeather, you will not find this using a google search. 

                             

                            RL

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                            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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