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st. pete
United States
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September 3, 2004
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Posted: July 7, 2010, 9:35 am - IP Logged

 I am  going to the casino this week in Tampa,Florida . Has anybody had any luck on the slots  there??????? And  any pointers on playing  there----the hot machines---- on games to play etc.....Thanks in advanceCool It finally spot raining here !!!!!!

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    albany georgia
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    October 15, 2007
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    Posted: July 7, 2010, 9:40 am - IP Logged

    never been to that one but i went to the one in pembroke and lost everything, good luck to uSun Smiley

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      West Side of Sunny Florida
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      September 8, 2007
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      Posted: July 22, 2010, 5:10 am - IP Logged

      How about the SLOTS in Atlantic City, I stop there about once a month and can't seem to find a winning machine in any casino?

      Money won is twice as good as money earned!

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        Posted: July 22, 2010, 7:29 am - IP Logged

        I won $50 on a 5 cents slot machine in March lol in seminole hard rock casino. lol

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          LAS VEGAS
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          November 22, 2006
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          Posted: July 27, 2010, 5:19 pm - IP Logged

          Hey 777, et al


          Be Aware >>>>>

          EddessaKnight Sun Smiley


          Seminole Indian Casino, Tampa  & Monte Carlo, Broward County  accused of Customer Cheating

          By JEFF TESTERMA

          TAMPA -- Authorities this week raided a casino boat run by the managers of Tampa's Seminole Indian Casino and said the vessel's operators violated state gambling laws and engaged in flagrant cheating of its customers.

          After a nine-month undercover operation, investigators from the Florida Attorney General's Office and the Broward County Sheriff's Office boarded the Monte Carlo in Pompano Beach and seized slot machines, gambling paraphernalia and $152,340 in cash.

          Attorney General Robert Butterworth filed a civil complaint seeking forfeiture of the equipment and the cash. The operators face possible forfeiture of the vessel, millions of dollars in fines and potential criminal prosecution, said Assistant Attorney General Cece Dykas.

          Named as defendants in Butterworth's complaint were:

          James R. Clare, chief executive officer of Pan American & Associates, the company that runs the Seminole Indian Casino in Tampa and the Seminole Tribe's casino in Immokalee.

          Buddy J. Levy, Pan American's general counsel.

          Neal Gellert and Joe Lopez, associates with Clare and Levy in Coastal Gaming Group Inc., a cruise ship gambling company also listed as a defendant.

          Boca Casino Cruises Inc. and its principals, Joseph R. Polidore and Glenn G. Kolk.

          Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne said the Monte Carlo violated state laws by permitting gambling by patrons within Florida's territorial waters, or within 3 miles of the coast. Also accused of that and illegal sports bookmaking were five other South Florida other gambling ships: the SunCruz I, SunCruz VI, SunCruz VII, New SeaEscape and Palm Beach Princess.

          But only the Monte Carlo was accused of fleecing patrons when winnings were paid out and of cheating passengers at card games.

          "Especially in the case of the Monte Carlo, there was a rip-off going on," Jenne said.

          Undercover gambling experts aboard the Monte Carlo turned up evidence that dealers shortchanged gamblers collecting winnings and withheld "high count" cards from the decks in some card games, said Jenne spokeswoman Cheryl Stopnick.

          "It's a little hard to get blackjack when the face cards and aces are missing," Stopnick said.

          The allegations of cheating could result in the filing of an unfair and deceptive trade practice complaint by Butterworth or the filing of criminal charges by Broward state prosecutors, who were asked to review investigative findings concerning the Monte Carlo.

          Because a criminal record is sufficient for the National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC) to disqualify someone as manager of an Indian casino, prosecution for acts aboard the Monte Carlo could affect the management of the Seminole casinos in Tampa and Immokalee.

          "The NIGC is tasked with approving casino managers," said Assistant Attorney General John Glogau, "and I'd assume if the civil forfeiture case blossoms into criminal action, as these things often do, the NIGC would be interested to know the people running the Tampa Indian casino are running an illegal gambling operation elsewhere."

          The U.S. Justice Department already maintains that illegal gambling is occurring at the Seminole casinos in Tampa, Immokalee, Hollywood and Brighton through hundreds of video slot machines. In a civil complaint filed 15 months ago, U.S. Attorney Charles Wilson asked a federal judge to order the lucrative slot machines removed. The case is still pending, even as the tribe has added dozens of slot machines at its Tampa facility.

          Clare, who has managed the Seminole Tribe's Tampa casino since it opened in 1982, declined to comment about the Monte Carlo. Levy could not be reached for comment.

          Coastal gaming principal Neal Gellert also could not be reached for comment. Maryland State Police investigated but never charged Gellert in 1989 after receiving information that he was involved in a scheme to siphon money from several charitable organizations running Las Vegas casino nights.

          Seminole Tribal attorney Jim Shore said Wednesday the tribe has invested twice in Coastal Gaming, but could not estimate the size of the tribe's stake. Shore also was unable to say what action tribal officials might take as a result of the investigation of the Monte Carlo.

          Asked if he knew if cheating might be going on in the tribe's casinos, Shore replied, "I hope not."

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            LAS VEGAS
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            Posted: August 2, 2010, 4:24 pm - IP Logged

            thanks to truesee


            More news on Tribal Casino Soverinty plus IRS

            Appearently Tribe refuses to render to Caeser their fair share of wampum for US taxes

            EddessaKnight Sun Smiley


            Miccosukee tribe launches counterattack against IRS


            The Miccosukee Tribe has launched a counterattack against the IRS, saying that millions of dollars in gambling profits distributed to members are not subject to federal income taxes.


            JAY WEAVER

            Miami Herald

            In a legal showdown with the IRS, the Miccosukees say their members don't owe any taxes on income they receive from the tribe's gambling operation -- a stance that sets them apart from possibly every Indian tribe with casinos in the United States.

            Every year, the Miccosukees distribute millions in profits from the tribe's West Miami-Dade casino to their 650 members. They say that distribution constitutes a ``tax'' by a sovereign government, so, they argue, the IRS cannot tax the income, too.

            The Miccosukees may be the only one of about 240 Indian tribes with American gambling facilities to deploy such a defense, which has failed in the past, according to legal experts and Indian regulatory authorities.

            Tribe lawyers, in a new Miami federal court filing, accuse the Internal Revenue Service of ``abuse of authority'' in its ongoing investigation into the tribe's gambling distributions and former chairman Billy Cypress.

            But the Miccosukees' counterattack seems to fly in the face of a key federal law regulating Indian gaming operations, the experts and authorities said.

            The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, passed by Congress in 1988, requires tribes with gambling facilities to report all member payments to federal authorities. It also requires tribes to notify the recipients that they may have to pay income taxes to the government.

            The law specifically says such ``payments are subject to federal taxation.''

            Unlike the Seminole Tribe, which operates the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood and Tampa, the Miccosukees have never filed a required ``revenue allocation plan'' with the Bureau of Indian Affairs to show how much gambling income from their bingo-style slot machines and poker games is distributed to members.

            Attorneys for the Miccosukees, represented by the Jorden Burt law firm in Miami, declined comment.

            In court filings, IRS officials also cited federal law saying that while Indian tribes and their businesses are exempt from paying taxes, tribal members who receive income from such operations -- including gambling casinos -- are subject to federal reporting and taxes.

            An often-cited analogy is nonprofit organizations, which are tax exempt. Such organizations' earnings are not taxable, but salaries paid to staff are subject to income taxes.


            Historically, Indian tribes have imposed taxes on non-Indian timber or mineral companies operating on their reservations to pay for public services such as roads or police -- but they have not taxed their own gambling operations, said a Washington, D.C., attorney who specializes in Indian and income tax laws. 

            Lawyer Dennis Whittlesey described the Miccosukee Tribe's defense against the IRS' probe as ``disingenuous and pettifogging.''

            ``It's basically legal chicanery. They're trying to scrub the gambling payments of their casino character,'' said Whittlesey, who is involved in a wrongful-death lawsuit against a Miccosukee Indian in Miami-Dade court. ``There's no such thing as a nontaxable gift.''

            Miami attorney David Garvin, who successfully represented Indy 500 champion Helio Castroneves in a criminal tax-evasion trial last year, said the tribe's legal argument ``is not novel and has been rejected in the past.''

            Garvin said that many appellate cases have held that tribal income derived from any business on tax-exempt Indian land is not subject to taxes. But as soon as a tribe distributes any of that income to members, it becomes taxable under federal law, he said.

            He cited a major federal appeals court case in which a Yakama Indian in Washington state was ordered to pay taxes on $18,000 he had received as income in 1976 for his duties as a tribe council member and smoke shop operator.

            ``There are a number of well established and often-cited cases that hold that individual tribe members' payments are taxable,'' Garvin said.

            Garvin, a tax specialist, said he understands the Miccosukees' legal strategy, describing it as ``damage control.''

            ``It's a slippery slope once the financial records for Mr. Cypress are turned over,'' he said.

            SUMMONS ISSUED

            In April, the IRS issued a civil summons to Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, the tribe's Miami bank, seeking Cypress' credit card statements and other tribe financial records from 2003 to 2005. The summons also demanded the tribe's credit card records and the names of members authorized to use the Morgan Stanley account for the same three-year period. 

            After the tribe refused to turn over the records, Justice Department lawyers and IRS agents disclosed that an earlier investigation into the Miccosukees' unreported gambling distributions led them to the related probe of Cypress.

            The former chairman, deposed in January, is suspected of charging at least $3 million on tribe credit cards for personal travel to casinos in Las Vegas, Foxwoods and other glitzy gaming venues, records show.

            As a sovereign nation, the Miccosukees argue they don't have to turn over any records on Cypress or the tribe to the IRS, though they agreed to hand over some of the tribe's financial records in 2006 during the earlier probe.

            In their latest court filing, the tribe's lawyers said the U.S. government's intent is to ``harass'' the Miccosukees and ``punish'' them for objecting to the summons, adding that the IRS improperly disclosed ``confidential'' records in court filings in the current case.

            They also took umbrage at the IRS' allegations that the Miccosukees have used armored vehicles to deliver up to $10 million four times a year to members, attacking the agency for trying to ``malign the tribe by making public accusations based upon rumor and innuendo.''

            ``No armored trucks are ever used to transport currency from Miccosukee Resort and Gaming to the Miccosukee reservation or to any other place other than local banks,'' Magdalena Salinas, a casino treasury manager, said in court papers.

            PAYMENTS MADE

            According to court records and people familiar with the Miccosukees, the tribe has handed out millions in cash payments from the gambling operation to every member on a quarterly basis for years. 

            Last August, for instance, the Miccosukee police delivered $18 million in cash from the casino off the Tamiami Trail to the tribe's government center about 20 miles west, according to one person aware of the transport. SWAT team members accompanied the motorcade of three unmarked black Chevy Tahoes.

            Miccosukee police officers carried the cash packed in five burlap sacks, each weighing over 100 pounds, to the government center's safe, the person said.

            Early the following morning, hundreds of tribe members -- mothers, fathers and children carrying IDs -- lined up outside the building to collect their quarterly payout,in a manila envelope or check.

            Each received about $48,000, the knowledgeable source said

            Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/01/v-fullstory/1756973/miccosukee-tribe-launches-counterattack.html#ixzz0vS3KfoBE

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              st. pete
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              Posted: August 11, 2010, 8:59 am - IP Logged

              SmileWOW...Thanks for the info.  I went to Tampa Hard Rock Casino last weekend...Didnot win anything Unhappy but had fun  checking out the place. The food court was ok. I dont see going back anytime soon.