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Poll: Shared Jackpot PP/QP

Topic closed. 24 replies. Last post 6 years ago by Robmaster7.

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How would you best describe a PP and QP sharing a jackpot?

Fate [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Completely random, it happens [ 7 ]  [22.58%]
Good luck for the QP, bad luck for the PP [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Good luck for both [ 5 ]  [16.13%]
The Lottery Fairy laughs, and loves these! [ 2 ]  [6.45%]
The PPer says @!#$ %$^ &*(#@! [ 5 ]  [16.13%]
A win is a win, I'll share [ 7 ]  [22.58%]
So much for "my numbers", huh! [ 1 ]  [3.23%]
Where's the justice? [ 1 ]  [3.23%]
Other [ 3 ]  [9.68%]
Total Valid Votes [ 31 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 2 ]  
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Posted: July 11, 2010, 12:49 pm - IP Logged

Wow that percentage is very very small, is this the same for every state?


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    Posted: July 11, 2010, 1:10 pm - IP Logged

    I've been reading all these threads about QP's and SP's just trying to decipher.

    So, correct me if I'm wrong (which is very possible), but do you mean to say that states and MM and PB all limit the combinations of QP sales??? They only try to sell certain combinations?

    I have looked at the sales of all the lottery games (except scratch offs) for Texas, and they never sell ALL of the combinations. For example, there are 25,827,165 combinations in the Lotto Texas game. When the jackpot was at an all time high of about 97 million, they were still only selling around 3.5 million tickets for each draw. That included QP's and SP's. Texas, by the way, does not have RNG, it is ball draws.

    A moment of clarity:

    I do not want the RNG for the drawn winning numbers  to be confused with a QP POOL 'Random' COMBINATION sales Generator.

    Whether the draw is by computer or with balls does not matter in the point I am making. I am speaking of the sales of QP’s from terminals. I remember when the sales info was a bit different and when the jackpot gets up there, it is news. To get the jackpot up there for stellar sales requires that nobody wins.

    When you see draws producing MULTIPLE QP winners on low sales you can bet there are multiple QP losers with the same sets. It was reported to me directly from someone who made the observation from his tickets as compared to another’s in the same community: Identical sets were losers.

    The PB and MM combinations are so large that there would be no need to limit the pool, but we do not know if this event is happening there. That information is not published.

    I am speaking of controlling the pre-drawing sales with a limited pool of QP’s. Multiple QP winners sometimes (sales not indicating one pool of combinations sold) and multiple QP losers all the time.

    Any State that has multiple QP Jackpot winners without the reflected sales that indicate a complete distribution of sets is suspect.

    DD

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      Posted: July 11, 2010, 7:04 pm - IP Logged

      A moment of clarity:

      I do not want the RNG for the drawn winning numbers  to be confused with a QP POOL 'Random' COMBINATION sales Generator.

      Whether the draw is by computer or with balls does not matter in the point I am making. I am speaking of the sales of QP’s from terminals. I remember when the sales info was a bit different and when the jackpot gets up there, it is news. To get the jackpot up there for stellar sales requires that nobody wins.

      When you see draws producing MULTIPLE QP winners on low sales you can bet there are multiple QP losers with the same sets. It was reported to me directly from someone who made the observation from his tickets as compared to another’s in the same community: Identical sets were losers.

      The PB and MM combinations are so large that there would be no need to limit the pool, but we do not know if this event is happening there. That information is not published.

      I am speaking of controlling the pre-drawing sales with a limited pool of QP’s. Multiple QP winners sometimes (sales not indicating one pool of combinations sold) and multiple QP losers all the time.

      Any State that has multiple QP Jackpot winners without the reflected sales that indicate a complete distribution of sets is suspect.

      DD

      oh geez.

      what lengths people won't go to,  to create their point.

      what DD is accusing the lottery of,  is akin to "fixing" the results,  manufacturing the intended result,  etc.

      that's a lie.    they don't withold any "combinations",  and they certainly don't fix the game

      well,  put it this way,  if it is the truth,  then lottery players that caught a wiff of that would steer way clear of playing a "fixed game".

      who is gonna throw money at a game they have no chance of winning?   now listen to that what that little voice is telling you in your head,  as to your 1st response to a question like that.

      lottery powers that be,  go out of their way to make sure the public feels the game has integrity,  because they know their revenue would shrivel to just about zip should they be caught.

      cases in point,  are a few documented instances at LP where certain states had a cloud of suspicion over their heads,  and just the uproar within the LP community that caused.

      that statement by DD wasn't even ballpark close as far as an "explanation"  into the "distribution" of percentages in the "systems" vs QP  debate

      it's plain and simple.  if you don't have an "explanation", that's ok.   you can always "theorize", or just make one up on the fly

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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        Posted: July 11, 2010, 10:25 pm - IP Logged

        oh geez.

        what lengths people won't go to,  to create their point.

        what DD is accusing the lottery of,  is akin to "fixing" the results,  manufacturing the intended result,  etc.

        that's a lie.    they don't withold any "combinations",  and they certainly don't fix the game

        well,  put it this way,  if it is the truth,  then lottery players that caught a wiff of that would steer way clear of playing a "fixed game".

        who is gonna throw money at a game they have no chance of winning?   now listen to that what that little voice is telling you in your head,  as to your 1st response to a question like that.

        lottery powers that be,  go out of their way to make sure the public feels the game has integrity,  because they know their revenue would shrivel to just about zip should they be caught.

        cases in point,  are a few documented instances at LP where certain states had a cloud of suspicion over their heads,  and just the uproar within the LP community that caused.

        that statement by DD wasn't even ballpark close as far as an "explanation"  into the "distribution" of percentages in the "systems" vs QP  debate

        it's plain and simple.  if you don't have an "explanation", that's ok.   you can always "theorize", or just make one up on the fly

        Well, I figured that's what DD was saying. I just wanted to get "clarification". LOL.

        I have said it before, and will say it again. Lotteries don't have to fix or cheat, the odds alone make it hard enough. As for making sure there are losers to make the jackpots higher, well, look at PB that just got hit Saturday night. It wasn't what I would call a high jackpot.

        I don't understand why someone would bother to play if they have that much distrust. Might as well go to a casino.

        As for QP vs SP. It doesn't matter. It's still random.

        CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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          Posted: July 11, 2010, 10:41 pm - IP Logged

          an integrity glitch could virtually kill a lottery dead in the water.

          you are totally right that the "odds" are stacked high enough that it negates conspiracy dreamers.

          shoot,  just like i have maintained in here all along,  the odds of just the pick3 make it "uncrackable"

           

          "As for QP vs SP. It doesn't matter. It's still random".

          it certainly is.  couldn't have said it better myself,  especially if they ever made me a lottery director

          (which i would immediately decline - lol)

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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            Posted: July 12, 2010, 1:34 am - IP Logged

            Yep it does not matter. Random is only a popular concept.

            So is integrity. P.T.Barnum had many hoaxes and laughed all the way to the bank about the suckers and integrity.

             

            TN DBLS switch:

            http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/216948/1703620

            DD

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              Posted: July 12, 2010, 1:48 am - IP Logged

              well,  you wouldn't even have an LP,  or observe any other lottery games experience longevity with that kind of mindset.

              if the lotteries are "exploitable" from the inside out thru inside "manipulation",  and people caught wind of that,  LP would be  a dust bowl,  and people like me wouldn't be able to blowficate (i just made that up).......the real facts

              i just wish people would stick to facts,  instead of manufacturing some,  so they can make something sound "true"

              it's random all right.

              if it weren't,  LP would be full of lottery winners. 

               

              i am a lottery "loser".  that's right.  since i pick the facts in life,  the randomness of it all up until now has dictated i have lost at playing the random lottery.   my feelings aren't even hurt by that self admission,   because truth empowers an individual

              truth land is a much better residence than wishful thinking land

              serve me up a subject matter,  all i wanna do with it is take it to "truthland"

              taking all the emotion out of it - the lottery is random

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                Posted: July 13, 2010, 2:12 am - IP Logged

                For MM there has been several occasions where there were multiple JP winners.

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                  Posted: July 17, 2010, 2:13 pm - IP Logged

                  Whether it is your on chosen numbers or a quick pick--the bottom line in winning is: 1) the luck of the draw and

                  2) being at the right place and right time in buying your "winning" lottery ticketsWink


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                    Posted: July 17, 2010, 2:16 pm - IP Logged

                    As in sports a W is a W. Sharing the pot or not, I'm flipping a profit on my lifetime lotto spending - most like a vast one at that. Hitting a JP and sharing - I can dig it for sure!