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Since there has been much debate on system play vs quick picks and I mentioned given the choice when playing MM, I would choose playing the 2 if 5 of 56 number abbreviated wheel over playing 46 QPs because of the coverage, I was wondering how much system players are willing to risk on each drawing.
Pumpi and I are discussing pick-4 systems and I suggested one with a minimum play of $12.50. Many members participate in Maddog's challenges and I'm assuming some of them play their numbers in PB and MM. There is a 3 if 4 of 12 number abbreviated wheel with very nice coverage on LP that can be played for $12.
Pick-3, pick-4, pick-5, lotto, and any other type of online games system player's input is welcomed as well as QP players who may spend a like amount.
Oh and by the way, it's not about "how much would you spend buying a system".
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As little as possible, LOL.
A few years ago I stumbled onto BobP's Lotto Logix and I read in there about the beauty of a 2 line wheel. In other words, in a pick 6 game, if you play 12 numbers all different in 2 lines, and capture just 5 of the numbers, you are guaranteed to have at least 3 numbers on 1 line. Compare that to playing 9 numbers on a 3 line wheel, and you are spending an extra dollar, and playing 3 fewer numbers. Granted the coverage is a little better, but to me not enough to spend the extra buck. I think in the jackpot games, cost control is very important, because of how hard it is to hit anything.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 16, 2010
Since there has been much debate on system play vs quick picks and I mentioned given the choice when playing MM, I would choose playing the 2 if 5 of 56 number abbreviated wheel over playing 46 QPs because of the coverage, I was wondering how much system players are willing to risk on each drawing.
Pumpi and I are discussing pick-4 systems and I suggested one with a minimum play of $12.50. Many members participate in Maddog's challenges and I'm assuming some of them play their numbers in PB and MM. There is a 3 if 4 of 12 number abbreviated wheel with very nice coverage on LP that can be played for $12.
Pick-3, pick-4, pick-5, lotto, and any other type of online games system player's input is welcomed as well as QP players who may spend a like amount.
Oh and by the way, it's not about "how much would you spend buying a system".
My recommendation to poor people -- unemployed, on welfare, etc -- has always been:
Limit your weekly Lottery spending to no more than what you can earn (or used to earn) in ½ Hour.
For those with money left over at the end of the week, I up the amount to one(1) hour!
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Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Aug 16, 2010
As little as possible, LOL.
A few years ago I stumbled onto BobP's Lotto Logix and I read in there about the beauty of a 2 line wheel. In other words, in a pick 6 game, if you play 12 numbers all different in 2 lines, and capture just 5 of the numbers, you are guaranteed to have at least 3 numbers on 1 line. Compare that to playing 9 numbers on a 3 line wheel, and you are spending an extra dollar, and playing 3 fewer numbers. Granted the coverage is a little better, but to me not enough to spend the extra buck. I think in the jackpot games, cost control is very important, because of how hard it is to hit anything.
Had I read BobP's opinions on wheels before playing a 3 if 5 of 15 number 13 combo abbreviated wheel, I'd known I'd probably still lose $3 even if I matched all 5 numbers which I did. It was less than a week later when I read it in Lotto Logix so I entered the same 15 numbers using the same order into five other 15 number abbreviated wheels to compare results. None of them showed a 5 number match but the 4 if 5 wheel preformed as expected and the 3 if 4 wheel and Lucky's 2 if 2 wheel also had 4 numbers matches.
Because the system required me to use 15 numbers, I had a choice of 6 abbreviated wheels with playing costs of $13 and $15 for the 2 if 2s, $13 for the 3 if 5, $24 for the 3 if 4, $57 for the 3 if 3, $95 for the 4 if 5, or a 7th choice of a full wheel with a way over my head cost of $3003. Another option was playing just 3 lines but if only 3 numbers matched, I'd probably get one 2 number match at a loss too.
For that particular drawing the results showed the minimum cost at $15 as the best option, but for overall play when the system consistently matched 3 numbers with an occasional 4 number match, 3 number match payoffs are needed to offset the cost waiting for the rare all 5 numbers match. When I found I could get almost the same results using 14 numbers, I settled on the 3 if 4 wheel costing $19.
My game of choice was the 5/39 Ohio Rolling Cash 5 where a 2 number matches pays $1, 3 numbers pay $10, and 4 pays $300. I played the system every day for 6 weeks at a profit helped by two 4 number matches before I noticed the system was failing to consistently match 3 numbers numbers so I took my small profit and ran.
"Compare that to playing 9 numbers on a 3 line wheel, and you are spending an extra dollar, and playing 3 fewer numbers."
By getting more coverage for $1 less it's the obvious choice providing the payoffs are offsetting the cost of play until you get the 6 number match.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 16, 2010
Had I read BobP's opinions on wheels before playing a 3 if 5 of 15 number 13 combo abbreviated wheel, I'd known I'd probably still lose $3 even if I matched all 5 numbers which I did. It was less than a week later when I read it in Lotto Logix so I entered the same 15 numbers using the same order into five other 15 number abbreviated wheels to compare results. None of them showed a 5 number match but the 4 if 5 wheel preformed as expected and the 3 if 4 wheel and Lucky's 2 if 2 wheel also had 4 numbers matches.
Because the system required me to use 15 numbers, I had a choice of 6 abbreviated wheels with playing costs of $13 and $15 for the 2 if 2s, $13 for the 3 if 5, $24 for the 3 if 4, $57 for the 3 if 3, $95 for the 4 if 5, or a 7th choice of a full wheel with a way over my head cost of $3003. Another option was playing just 3 lines but if only 3 numbers matched, I'd probably get one 2 number match at a loss too.
For that particular drawing the results showed the minimum cost at $15 as the best option, but for overall play when the system consistently matched 3 numbers with an occasional 4 number match, 3 number match payoffs are needed to offset the cost waiting for the rare all 5 numbers match. When I found I could get almost the same results using 14 numbers, I settled on the 3 if 4 wheel costing $19.
My game of choice was the 5/39 Ohio Rolling Cash 5 where a 2 number matches pays $1, 3 numbers pay $10, and 4 pays $300. I played the system every day for 6 weeks at a profit helped by two 4 number matches before I noticed the system was failing to consistently match 3 numbers numbers so I took my small profit and ran.
"Compare that to playing 9 numbers on a 3 line wheel, and you are spending an extra dollar, and playing 3 fewer numbers."
By getting more coverage for $1 less it's the obvious choice providing the payoffs are offsetting the cost of play until you get the 6 number match.
Stack47,
"My game of choice was the 5/39 Ohio Rolling Cash 5 where a 2 number matches pays $1, 3 numbers pay $10, and 4 pays $300. I played the system every day for 6 weeks at a profit helped by two 4 number matches before I noticed the system was failing to consistently match 3 numbers numbers so I took my small profit and ran."
Now, this is an intelligent approach to playing the lottery!
(Minimizing losses while you wait and hope for the Big Win!)