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Wheeling Question for Pick 5

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Posted: October 12, 2010, 11:21 am - IP Logged

Does Anyone know of a way to wheel 35 Numbers in 7 Combinations ?  For Example

1-2-3-4-5

6-7-8-9-10

11-12-13-14-15  etc

But one that changes everytime?

Thanks in Advance

Keep moving Forward.


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    Posted: October 12, 2010, 11:54 am - IP Logged

    Does Anyone know of a way to wheel 35 Numbers in 7 Combinations ?  For Example

    1-2-3-4-5

    6-7-8-9-10

    11-12-13-14-15  etc

    But one that changes everytime?

    Thanks in Advance

    12-26-27-28-35

    5-10-11-30-31

    4-8-18-23-24

    1-7-9-33-34

    2-14-16-22-25

    3-13-17-29-32

    6-15-19-20-21

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      Posted: October 12, 2010, 12:03 pm - IP Logged

      Does Anyone know of a way to wheel 35 Numbers in 7 Combinations ?  For Example

      1-2-3-4-5

      6-7-8-9-10

      11-12-13-14-15  etc

      But one that changes everytime?

      Thanks in Advance

      01-10-13-19-29
      02-09-24-26-32
      03-08-11-21-25
      04-07-17-27-28
      05-15-16-23-33
      06-12-20-22-35
      14-18-30-31-34

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        Posted: October 12, 2010, 2:47 pm - IP Logged

        Thanks Joker17 and Jack-C !!!

        Keep moving Forward.

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          Posted: October 12, 2010, 2:49 pm - IP Logged

          Thanks Joker17 and Jack-C !!!

          You're welcome, Lucki.

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            01-10-13-19-29
            02-09-24-26-32
            03-08-11-21-25
            04-07-17-27-28
            05-15-16-23-33
            06-12-20-22-35
            14-18-30-31-34

            Jack, how many different variations are there?

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              Posted: October 13, 2010, 4:21 am - IP Logged

              Enter the pointer number lines into CoverMaster and click the Randomize button as many times as you like.

              The game odds should be an indicator how many variations there are.

              BobP

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                Posted: October 13, 2010, 10:59 am - IP Logged

                Jack, how many different variations are there?

                There are 324,632 combinations in a full 35 number wheel but there are far less combos using each number once in 7 combinations. Each number will appear 46,376 times in the full wheel so I believe there are 1364 unique 7 line combos.

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                  There are 324,632 combinations in a full 35 number wheel but there are far less combos using each number once in 7 combinations. Each number will appear 46,376 times in the full wheel so I believe there are 1364 unique 7 line combos.

                  I was thinking along the same lines, but I have been told, it's in the billions!!!!

                  a response, I received.

                  The first row can be any combination of 35 numbers choose 5 -- that's 324,632, and leaves 20 numbers unused.

                  The next row can be any any combination of the remaining numbers choose 5; that's 142,506 combinations.

                  Just in those two rows, there are 46,262,007,792 possibilities.

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                    Posted: October 14, 2010, 5:42 am - IP Logged

                    The total number of combinations can not change. 

                    Playing any 7 lines at a time doesn't change the total number of combinations.

                    5x4x3x2x1=120

                    35x34x33x32x31=38,955,840

                    120/38,955,840=324,632 combinations

                    7/324,633=46,376

                    46,376 unique blocks of 7 lines.  BobP

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                      Posted: October 14, 2010, 6:16 am - IP Logged

                      The total number of combinations can not change. 

                      Playing any 7 lines at a time doesn't change the total number of combinations.

                      5x4x3x2x1=120

                      35x34x33x32x31=38,955,840

                      120/38,955,840=324,632 combinations

                      7/324,633=46,376

                      46,376 unique blocks of 7 lines.  BobP

                      Thank you, BobP!!! Can/will you create these in Covermaster, please? I'm not very good with the program.

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                        Posted: October 15, 2010, 4:36 am - IP Logged

                        Thank you, BobP!!! Can/will you create these in Covermaster, please? I'm not very good with the program.


                        CoverMaster doesn't make full wheels, nor can it make all the groups of 7 unique lines possible.  It can make as many as anyone's budget can afford.   For 5/35 set to . . .

                        Pool = 35
                        Pick - 5
                        Match - 3
                        Hits - 5

                        [Generate][Q Scan][Max 7 Tickets][Start][Finished]

                        Copied and Pasted

                         1  2  3  4  5
                         6  7  8  9 10
                        11 12 13 14 15
                        16 17 18 19 20
                        21 22 23 24 25
                        26 27 28 29 30
                        31 32 33 34 35

                        or copy and paste the above into CoverMaster

                        Click on [Randomize] got . . .

                         9 11 12 19 25
                         5  8 18 21 31
                         2 13 14 20 33
                         4 27 30 34 35
                         1 16 23 28 29
                         6  7 17 22 26
                         3 10 15 24 32

                        Clicked on [Randomize] again got . . .

                         3  7 10 11 34
                        15 21 24 25 28
                         1  8 12 22 32
                        17 20 26 33 35
                         6 27 29 30 31
                         4  5 13 16 18
                         2  9 14 19 23

                        Clicked on [Randomize] again got . . .

                        13 28 30 32 33
                         3  8 23 25 35
                         9 11 19 20 29
                         2  5  6 10 26
                        15 21 24 27 34
                         1 17 18 22 31
                         4  7 12 14 16

                        Another way to handle this is to Lock (all) the first set of Randomized lines and let CoverMaster use [Generate][Timed Random Search][1 sec][Max tickets 14][Optimize][Start][Finished] This builds not only lines, but an open cover wheel at the same time.  Only a two or three of these can be built around the original before some numbers must be used twice in the next set of seven lines, giving a somewhat better chance of winning a lower tier prize just not 100%.

                        13 28 30 32 33
                         3  8 23 25 35
                         9 11 19 20 29
                         2  5  6 10 26
                        15 21 24 27 34
                         1 17 18 22 31
                         4  7 12 14 16

                         5 16 19 31 34
                         1  6  8 21 28
                         3 13 18 20 24
                         4  9 17 30 35
                         7 10 25 27 32
                        11 14 15 26 33
                         2 12 22 23 29
                        14 lines giving 19% 3if5 coverage

                        13 28 30 32 33
                         3  8 23 25 35
                         9 11 19 20 29
                         2  5  6 10 26
                        15 21 24 27 34
                         1 17 18 22 31
                         4  7 12 14 16

                         5 16 19 31 34
                         1  6  8 21 28
                         3 13 18 20 24
                         4  9 17 30 35
                         7 10 25 27 32
                        11 14 15 26 33
                         2 12 22 23 29

                         1 25 26 29 34
                         2  9 16 24 28
                         6 17 20 23 33
                         3  7 15 22 30
                        14 18 19 32 35
                         5  8 11 12 27
                         4 10 13 21 31
                        21 lines giving 29% 3if5 coverage


                        BobP

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                          CoverMaster doesn't make full wheels, nor can it make all the groups of 7 unique lines possible.  It can make as many as anyone's budget can afford.   For 5/35 set to . . .

                          Pool = 35
                          Pick - 5
                          Match - 3
                          Hits - 5

                          [Generate][Q Scan][Max 7 Tickets][Start][Finished]

                          Copied and Pasted

                           1  2  3  4  5
                           6  7  8  9 10
                          11 12 13 14 15
                          16 17 18 19 20
                          21 22 23 24 25
                          26 27 28 29 30
                          31 32 33 34 35

                          or copy and paste the above into CoverMaster

                          Click on [Randomize] got . . .

                           9 11 12 19 25
                           5  8 18 21 31
                           2 13 14 20 33
                           4 27 30 34 35
                           1 16 23 28 29
                           6  7 17 22 26
                           3 10 15 24 32

                          Clicked on [Randomize] again got . . .

                           3  7 10 11 34
                          15 21 24 25 28
                           1  8 12 22 32
                          17 20 26 33 35
                           6 27 29 30 31
                           4  5 13 16 18
                           2  9 14 19 23

                          Clicked on [Randomize] again got . . .

                          13 28 30 32 33
                           3  8 23 25 35
                           9 11 19 20 29
                           2  5  6 10 26
                          15 21 24 27 34
                           1 17 18 22 31
                           4  7 12 14 16

                          Another way to handle this is to Lock (all) the first set of Randomized lines and let CoverMaster use [Generate][Timed Random Search][1 sec][Max tickets 14][Optimize][Start][Finished] This builds not only lines, but an open cover wheel at the same time.  Only a two or three of these can be built around the original before some numbers must be used twice in the next set of seven lines, giving a somewhat better chance of winning a lower tier prize just not 100%.

                          13 28 30 32 33
                           3  8 23 25 35
                           9 11 19 20 29
                           2  5  6 10 26
                          15 21 24 27 34
                           1 17 18 22 31
                           4  7 12 14 16

                           5 16 19 31 34
                           1  6  8 21 28
                           3 13 18 20 24
                           4  9 17 30 35
                           7 10 25 27 32
                          11 14 15 26 33
                           2 12 22 23 29
                          14 lines giving 19% 3if5 coverage

                          13 28 30 32 33
                           3  8 23 25 35
                           9 11 19 20 29
                           2  5  6 10 26
                          15 21 24 27 34
                           1 17 18 22 31
                           4  7 12 14 16

                           5 16 19 31 34
                           1  6  8 21 28
                           3 13 18 20 24
                           4  9 17 30 35
                           7 10 25 27 32
                          11 14 15 26 33
                           2 12 22 23 29

                           1 25 26 29 34
                           2  9 16 24 28
                           6 17 20 23 33
                           3  7 15 22 30
                          14 18 19 32 35
                           5  8 11 12 27
                           4 10 13 21 31
                          21 lines giving 29% 3if5 coverage


                          BobP

                          Thank you very much.