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Winning at Lotto : Luck vs. Intelligence

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Posted: November 16, 2010, 10:52 pm - IP Logged

I have noticed that this is a Hot topic (and sometimes explosive  Argue

So I decided to start a thread about it and let the brawl begin!  ..just kidding

This is a deep subject -whether you acknowledge that or not. 

That's why a lot of people would rather not engage in discussions as such.

I'm going to make statements and raise questions and everyone, feel free to share your thoughts..

I consider myself a student of the Chaos Theory (I’m not an academic) which discusses the Luck vs. Intelligence topic among others.

Statement: “A Lucky person does not need much Intelligence to succeed” 

If I win millions of dollars playing Lotto or if I was born to a wealthy family etc., I won’t have to be very intelligent to be a successful person. Because I can hire people to do the thinking for me.

Statement: “An Intelligent person does not need much Luck to succeed”

If I’m intelligent enough to find my way to the top (Jackpot), all I need is a little bit of Luck!

Question: Can the above statements be applied to Lotto?

We all know about the Luck part.But what about the Intelligence?

How much of a role does Intelligence play in winning at the Lotto? (what percentage?)

In Poker for example it is believed that at least %60 of what determines your success is Luck no matter how good you are. And yet there are people across the world that are making a living playing Poker.

 

 

to be continued..

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    Regarding poker, years ago there was actually a court case in California about if poker was a game of skill or not, and the decision was it was indeed a game of skill. The reasoning was that if a given number of people played continuously for the same number of hours they would have ben dealt an equal number of good and bad hands and it is how they played those hands that decided the winner.

    But that's poker with sharp players considering the odds against draeing what they need compared to the "pot odds", that is how much of their own money is in the pot and what the payback will be. That plus being a really good actor and "reading" people.

    This is the way Vegas card rooms work- lots of people fancy themselves as good poker players. There are a number of professional poker players that live in Vegas. They have ins with the card room managers. When there's a big holiday and they know a bunch of tourists are coming to town they get the card room manager to guarantee them a seat for the weekend or length of the tourists' stay and cut them in for a percentage of their winnings. The Vegas pros know it's going to be "amateur hour."

    I'm talking about just regular day in day out games, not big tournaments and such.

    But that's poker. As for lotto the odds against hitting a jackpot are so astronomical that the intelligence needed is to be aware of it!

    There are over 100,000 members on this board now, systems galore, theories galore, and who knows how many tickets played per drawing.

    And the jackpots hit?

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: November 17, 2010, 12:19 am - IP Logged

      I believe in luck.

      I also believe that random numbers can develop patterns which if carefully studied, noted and strategically applied, can enhance your luck to a degree.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

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        Posted: November 17, 2010, 1:24 am - IP Logged

        Fully agree.

        I play in Lottos 649 and noticed long, long ago that there are patterns in numbers, despite all the randomization. I analyse these patterns for short term trends and apply statistical methods for selecting numbers that are more likely to be drawn in the near future (believe it or not it's possible). Since I've started doing that my luck significantly improved. It looks to me that good number prediction methods and luck are somehow connected.

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          Posted: November 17, 2010, 1:25 am - IP Logged

          I have noticed that this is a Hot topic (and sometimes explosive  Argue

          So I decided to start a thread about it and let the brawl begin!  ..just kidding

          This is a deep subject -whether you acknowledge that or not. 

          That's why a lot of people would rather not engage in discussions as such.

          I'm going to make statements and raise questions and everyone, feel free to share your thoughts..

          I consider myself a student of the Chaos Theory (I’m not an academic) which discusses the Luck vs. Intelligence topic among others.

          Statement: “A Lucky person does not need much Intelligence to succeed” 

          If I win millions of dollars playing Lotto or if I was born to a wealthy family etc., I won’t have to be very intelligent to be a successful person. Because I can hire people to do the thinking for me.

          Statement: “An Intelligent person does not need much Luck to succeed”

          If I’m intelligent enough to find my way to the top (Jackpot), all I need is a little bit of Luck!

          Question: Can the above statements be applied to Lotto?

          We all know about the Luck part.But what about the Intelligence?

          How much of a role does Intelligence play in winning at the Lotto? (what percentage?)

          In Poker for example it is believed that at least %60 of what determines your success is Luck no matter how good you are. And yet there are people across the world that are making a living playing Poker.

           

           

          to be continued..

          Statement: “A Lucky person does not need much Intelligence to succeed” 

          If I win millions of dollars playing Lotto or if I was born to a wealthy family etc., I won’t have to be very intelligent to be a successful person. Because I can hire people to do the thinking for me.

           

          The person that display such a statement/idea is very, very smart TOO SMART...Incredibly smart...that´s what i would had done had i been rich, hire someone to work out the numbers for me...

           

          the other statement:

          Statement: “An Intelligent person does not need much Luck to succeed”

          If I’m intelligent enough to find my way to the top (Jackpot), all I need is a little bit of Luck!

           

          to make such a statement you must be, Einstein or super good looking woman...it applies to supergeorgeous women...not a regular beautiful woman because beautiful/attractive women there are many...But if you was the only one then you could make such a statement [a jackpot assuming a jackpot is anything that will make you super rich]....to get a nice good paying job, like a: $100,000 job then a regular beautiful/attractive women could say such a statement...However in the USA anyone technically could make such a statement for a: $1 Million dollar prize or be successful...How??? A person can say...All i got to make is: $30,000 or $40,000 a year and marry someone who makes: $60,000 a year or: $50,000 a year, then the household income will be: $90,000 a year or $100,000 a year, wait 5 years and you have a half a million house, with the rest you can win win Pick4 straight and earn: $500,0000 or the rest save up in 11 years you will have: $1 Million dollars...It takes money to make money...With the $500,000 you can hypothetically win Pick4 and win: $500,000 a year or use it to build apartments and in 1 year you make like: $200,000 a year plus what you make you earn now: $300,000 a year in 3 year $1 Million, this is just, 1 example...

          Also a regular beautiful/attractive women can go to a rich person and say: i´ll be your lover/wife for 2-3 years and you place: $5 Million dollars in the bank for 2 years and give her the interests...It will be: $500,000....

          The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


           


           


           

           


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            Statement: “A Lucky person does not need much Intelligence to succeed” 

            If I win millions of dollars playing Lotto or if I was born to a wealthy family etc., I won’t have to be very intelligent to be a successful person. Because I can hire people to do the thinking for me.

             

            The person that display such a statement/idea is very, very smart TOO SMART...Incredibly smart...that´s what i would had done had i been rich, hire someone to work out the numbers for me...

             

            the other statement:

            Statement: “An Intelligent person does not need much Luck to succeed”

            If I’m intelligent enough to find my way to the top (Jackpot), all I need is a little bit of Luck!

             

            to make such a statement you must be, Einstein or super good looking woman...it applies to supergeorgeous women...not a regular beautiful woman because beautiful/attractive women there are many...But if you was the only one then you could make such a statement [a jackpot assuming a jackpot is anything that will make you super rich]....to get a nice good paying job, like a: $100,000 job then a regular beautiful/attractive women could say such a statement...However in the USA anyone technically could make such a statement for a: $1 Million dollar prize or be successful...How??? A person can say...All i got to make is: $30,000 or $40,000 a year and marry someone who makes: $60,000 a year or: $50,000 a year, then the household income will be: $90,000 a year or $100,000 a year, wait 5 years and you have a half a million house, with the rest you can win win Pick4 straight and earn: $500,0000 or the rest save up in 11 years you will have: $1 Million dollars...It takes money to make money...With the $500,000 you can hypothetically win Pick4 and win: $500,000 a year or use it to build apartments and in 1 year you make like: $200,000 a year plus what you make you earn now: $300,000 a year in 3 year $1 Million, this is just, 1 example...

            Also a regular beautiful/attractive women can go to a rich person and say: i´ll be your lover/wife for 2-3 years and you place: $5 Million dollars in the bank for 2 years and give her the interests...It will be: $500,000....

             "...super good looking woman...it applies to supergeorgeous women...not a regular beautiful woman..."

             

            But we have to remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder pumpi.

            What you consider beautiful and what tiggs considers beautiful maybe two different things.

            For instance, tiggs likes wimmins with hairy legs and mustaches. Do you?

            See, that's what I mean, compadre. 


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              We all know about the Luck part.But what about the Intelligence?

              How much of a role does Intelligence play in winning at the Lotto? (what percentage?)

               

              You dont have to chase the lottery to show you are intelligent, an intelligent person will not chase the lottery instead he/she will push for legislation so as create a nice game that anyone can try and win be created...Yeah if you crack the lottery you might go in history as one exceptionally intelligent person like a genius, but many geniuses in history had different areas of expertise...it reminds me of math there have been geniuses in geometry i am sure or people pursuing geometry but math is so wide not everyone went that route...the only problem in todays society is that if someone intelligent or incredible intelligent wants to make money to pursue his passion CANT DO SO HAS TO spend, 20 years trying to crack the lottery because there is no other fountain to supply intelligent people or people in a mission but if there was most intelligent people will not chase the lottery, the ones that do is probably because they major in math or love randomness or want to know the secret of randomness to explain the world around us...I will say: 98% of intelligent or super intelligent people will not chase the lottery or pay someone else to do it, they will chase more important things...

              the owner of a casino all the owner want is money but he doesnt realize that you are trying to prevent HIS COUNTRY FROM COLLAPSING OR SOMETHING ELSE.....many of those owners think that money is everything, they deal with money every second that´s all they see...Money and women...

              The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


               


               


               

               


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                Luck and intelligence guarantee nothing.  They are at best factors like skill and knowledge.  Starting places in the various rat races we all run in every day.

                When your wheel gives you four or five winning numbers on one line, it is luck that takes you to six. 

                Think about it.  6/49 and you have five of the numbers, that's 1 in 44, not bad odds really yet there are draws with plenty of five number winners and no jackpot winner.  Almost as though there are limits to casual luck, that takes one to a five number win and fails at six like the lucky fairy god mother took a nap after five.

                Those old questions, would you rather be smart or good looking, total bs.  Have to make the best of the hand you've been dealt. 

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                  i dont like to say something i am not certain about but i think is luck....but i feel that what drives luck, the RNG Seed of Luck must be a supernatural force it will be nice if scientists went about trying to figure out what is this supernatural force we call luck, try to calculate it using math, not just in gambling....

                  a good way to describe luck to me is the movie: 13 ghosts with matthew lillard, the house to me represents Earth or randomness, the house we all live in....

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EexpNs4cVtk

                  The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


                   


                   


                   

                   


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                    I have noticed that this is a Hot topic (and sometimes explosive  Argue

                    So I decided to start a thread about it and let the brawl begin!  ..just kidding

                    This is a deep subject -whether you acknowledge that or not. 

                    That's why a lot of people would rather not engage in discussions as such.

                    I'm going to make statements and raise questions and everyone, feel free to share your thoughts..

                    I consider myself a student of the Chaos Theory (I’m not an academic) which discusses the Luck vs. Intelligence topic among others.

                    Statement: “A Lucky person does not need much Intelligence to succeed” 

                    If I win millions of dollars playing Lotto or if I was born to a wealthy family etc., I won’t have to be very intelligent to be a successful person. Because I can hire people to do the thinking for me.

                    Statement: “An Intelligent person does not need much Luck to succeed”

                    If I’m intelligent enough to find my way to the top (Jackpot), all I need is a little bit of Luck!

                    Question: Can the above statements be applied to Lotto?

                    We all know about the Luck part.But what about the Intelligence?

                    How much of a role does Intelligence play in winning at the Lotto? (what percentage?)

                    In Poker for example it is believed that at least %60 of what determines your success is Luck no matter how good you are. And yet there are people across the world that are making a living playing Poker.

                     

                     

                    to be continued..

                    Luck Favors the Prepared Mind.

                    Prepared Mind=Education Plus Experience!

                    A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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                      Regarding poker, years ago there was actually a court case in California about if poker was a game of skill or not, and the decision was it was indeed a game of skill. The reasoning was that if a given number of people played continuously for the same number of hours they would have ben dealt an equal number of good and bad hands and it is how they played those hands that decided the winner.

                      But that's poker with sharp players considering the odds against draeing what they need compared to the "pot odds", that is how much of their own money is in the pot and what the payback will be. That plus being a really good actor and "reading" people.

                      This is the way Vegas card rooms work- lots of people fancy themselves as good poker players. There are a number of professional poker players that live in Vegas. They have ins with the card room managers. When there's a big holiday and they know a bunch of tourists are coming to town they get the card room manager to guarantee them a seat for the weekend or length of the tourists' stay and cut them in for a percentage of their winnings. The Vegas pros know it's going to be "amateur hour."

                      I'm talking about just regular day in day out games, not big tournaments and such.

                      But that's poker. As for lotto the odds against hitting a jackpot are so astronomical that the intelligence needed is to be aware of it!

                      There are over 100,000 members on this board now, systems galore, theories galore, and who knows how many tickets played per drawing.

                      And the jackpots hit?

                      Poker skills are about reading the other players, knowing how to play your hand, and understanding the odds. The best player in the World can get unlucky with bad beats but overall their skills will allow them to win more than they lose. The World Series of Poker is known for the main event where this years winner got over $8 million. He isn't a top pro and it's actually been years since a top pro has won the main event but the World Series of Poker consists of over 50 tourneys and you'll find the names of the top pros among those winning and cashing in the other events. Some won $1 million without even cashing in the main event.

                      Though luck was a small factor, there is no comparison to winning the WSOP main event to buying a QP at Porn Shop in a Detroit suburb.

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                        i dont like to say something i am not certain about but i think is luck....but i feel that what drives luck, the RNG Seed of Luck must be a supernatural force it will be nice if scientists went about trying to figure out what is this supernatural force we call luck, try to calculate it using math, not just in gambling....

                        a good way to describe luck to me is the movie: 13 ghosts with matthew lillard, the house to me represents Earth or randomness, the house we all live in....

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EexpNs4cVtk

                        State lotteries have raffles where they know for a fact before the drawing, some players will win $1 million. While you may consider the winners very lucky, the fact remains, somebody was going to win.

                        Why would scientists even examine luck as being a force when they know for a fact some players were going to $1 million?

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                          State lotteries have raffles where they know for a fact before the drawing, some players will win $1 million. While you may consider the winners very lucky, the fact remains, somebody was going to win.

                          Why would scientists even examine luck as being a force when they know for a fact some players were going to $1 million?

                          Still in order for you to have the winning raffle ticket you need the lucky raffle ticket so there is luck involved...The lottery don't need luck they are winners before any drawing..

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                             "...super good looking woman...it applies to supergeorgeous women...not a regular beautiful woman..."

                             

                            But we have to remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder pumpi.

                            What you consider beautiful and what tiggs considers beautiful maybe two different things.

                            For instance, tiggs likes wimmins with hairy legs and mustaches. Do you?

                            See, that's what I mean, compadre. 

                            Yes ridge tiggs turns nothing down..What does Mrs McNutt look like..:):)..

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                              Yes ridge tiggs turns nothing down..What does Mrs McNutt look like..:):)..

                              Mrs. McNutt?

                              Well, she's got ten foot pole marks all over her body and she's so buck toothed she could eat corn through a picket fence.

                              Mr McNutt says she's cold too. Says everytime she pulls her drawers off the furnace kicks on.

                              I think she's right up yer alley.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

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