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# So a little wheel I came up with...

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New Jersey
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 Posted: February 6, 2011, 11:45 pm - IP Logged

I wouldn't call myself an expert at this stuff- just looking into wheeling a little.  This is for Cash 5 game - or I guess it'd work with Mega/Powerball if you picked a 6th ball.

It's a key wheel where you pick 2 key numbers, 2 more pairs, and a set of 6 numbers.  You pick 12 total numbers, it takes 36 combinations.

Key numbers - [A-B]
Pairs/Wheel 1 - {(C-D)(E-F)}
Wheel 2 - {G-H-I-J-K-L}

ABCDE
ABCDF
ABCDG
ABCDH
ABCDI
ABCDJ
ABCDK
ABCDL
ABCEF
ABDEF
ABEFG
ABEFH
ABEFI
ABEFJ
ABEFK
ABEFL
ABGHI
ABGHJ
ABGHK
ABGHL
ABGIJ
ABGIK
ABGIL
ABGJK
ABGJL
ABGKL
ABHIJ
ABHIK
ABHIL
ABHJK
ABHJL
ABHKL
ABIJK
ABIJL
ABIKL
ABJKL

I'm just trying to get the basics of wheeling down, did I forget any guarantees, or are any of them wrong?

A and B weren't drawn (You can only get 3 of 5 wins in this case)

-- If the winning numbers are within/have at least 3 of (CDEF) or (GHIJKL), you will have at least one 3 of 5 winner.
-- If 3 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), one 3 of 5.
-- If 4 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), four 3 of 5s.
-- If 5 numbers are within (GHIJKL), ten 3 of 5s.
-- If (CD) or (EF) are drawn, with any of (GHIJKL), the number of (GHIJKL) drawn determines amount of 3 of 5s.

A or B was drawn

-- With (CD) or (EF), then at least 7 3 of 5 wins.
-- With (CD) or (EF) and at least one of (GHIJKL), then at least one 4 of 5 win and several 3 of 5 wins.
-- With at least 2 of (CDEF), ? 3 of 5 wins... with 3 of (CDEF) at least one 4 of 5 win.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL), several 3 of 5 wins... 3 or 4 of (GHIJKL) at least one win of 4 of 5.

A and B were both drawn

-- with (CD) or (EF), at least seven 4 of 5s.
-- with (CD) or (EF) and one of (GHIJKL), Jackpot and several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (CDEF) several 4 of 5s.
-- with 3 of (CDEF), Jackpot,  several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL) several 4 of 5 wins.
-- with 3 of (GHIJKL) Jackpot, several 4 of 5s.
-- with 1 of (CDEF) and at least 1 one of (GHIJKL) at least 2 4 of 5s.
-- with at least one of (CDEF) and 1 of (GHIJKL) at least two wins of 4 of 5.

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I wouldn't call myself an expert at this stuff- just looking into wheeling a little.  This is for Cash 5 game - or I guess it'd work with Mega/Powerball if you picked a 6th ball.

It's a key wheel where you pick 2 key numbers, 2 more pairs, and a set of 6 numbers.  You pick 12 total numbers, it takes 36 combinations.

Key numbers - [A-B]
Pairs/Wheel 1 - {(C-D)(E-F)}
Wheel 2 - {G-H-I-J-K-L}

ABCDE
ABCDF
ABCDG
ABCDH
ABCDI
ABCDJ
ABCDK
ABCDL
ABCEF
ABDEF
ABEFG
ABEFH
ABEFI
ABEFJ
ABEFK
ABEFL
ABGHI
ABGHJ
ABGHK
ABGHL
ABGIJ
ABGIK
ABGIL
ABGJK
ABGJL
ABGKL
ABHIJ
ABHIK
ABHIL
ABHJK
ABHJL
ABHKL
ABIJK
ABIJL
ABIKL
ABJKL

I'm just trying to get the basics of wheeling down, did I forget any guarantees, or are any of them wrong?

A and B weren't drawn (You can only get 3 of 5 wins in this case)

-- If the winning numbers are within/have at least 3 of (CDEF) or (GHIJKL), you will have at least one 3 of 5 winner.
-- If 3 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), one 3 of 5.
-- If 4 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), four 3 of 5s.
-- If 5 numbers are within (GHIJKL), ten 3 of 5s.
-- If (CD) or (EF) are drawn, with any of (GHIJKL), the number of (GHIJKL) drawn determines amount of 3 of 5s.

A or B was drawn

-- With (CD) or (EF), then at least 7 3 of 5 wins.
-- With (CD) or (EF) and at least one of (GHIJKL), then at least one 4 of 5 win and several 3 of 5 wins.
-- With at least 2 of (CDEF), ? 3 of 5 wins... with 3 of (CDEF) at least one 4 of 5 win.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL), several 3 of 5 wins... 3 or 4 of (GHIJKL) at least one win of 4 of 5.

A and B were both drawn

-- with (CD) or (EF), at least seven 4 of 5s.
-- with (CD) or (EF) and one of (GHIJKL), Jackpot and several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (CDEF) several 4 of 5s.
-- with 3 of (CDEF), Jackpot,  several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL) several 4 of 5 wins.
-- with 3 of (GHIJKL) Jackpot, several 4 of 5s.
-- with 1 of (CDEF) and at least 1 one of (GHIJKL) at least 2 4 of 5s.
-- with at least one of (CDEF) and 1 of (GHIJKL) at least two wins of 4 of 5.

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dozens, to close complete Counting that one of the groups has 4 or 5 numbers
Now if in the draw the numbers came out an I number
Of each group or in a group 2 numbers and the other
Emptiness, here I would ask as setting up other Synchronized desdramento of
the first above counting with the conditions!!

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 Posted: February 7, 2011, 12:01 pm - IP Logged

I wouldn't call myself an expert at this stuff- just looking into wheeling a little.  This is for Cash 5 game - or I guess it'd work with Mega/Powerball if you picked a 6th ball.

It's a key wheel where you pick 2 key numbers, 2 more pairs, and a set of 6 numbers.  You pick 12 total numbers, it takes 36 combinations.

Key numbers - [A-B]
Pairs/Wheel 1 - {(C-D)(E-F)}
Wheel 2 - {G-H-I-J-K-L}

ABCDE
ABCDF
ABCDG
ABCDH
ABCDI
ABCDJ
ABCDK
ABCDL
ABCEF
ABDEF
ABEFG
ABEFH
ABEFI
ABEFJ
ABEFK
ABEFL
ABGHI
ABGHJ
ABGHK
ABGHL
ABGIJ
ABGIK
ABGIL
ABGJK
ABGJL
ABGKL
ABHIJ
ABHIK
ABHIL
ABHJK
ABHJL
ABHKL
ABIJK
ABIJL
ABIKL
ABJKL

I'm just trying to get the basics of wheeling down, did I forget any guarantees, or are any of them wrong?

A and B weren't drawn (You can only get 3 of 5 wins in this case)

-- If the winning numbers are within/have at least 3 of (CDEF) or (GHIJKL), you will have at least one 3 of 5 winner.
-- If 3 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), one 3 of 5.
-- If 4 numbers are within (GHIJKL) or (CDEF), four 3 of 5s.
-- If 5 numbers are within (GHIJKL), ten 3 of 5s.
-- If (CD) or (EF) are drawn, with any of (GHIJKL), the number of (GHIJKL) drawn determines amount of 3 of 5s.

A or B was drawn

-- With (CD) or (EF), then at least 7 3 of 5 wins.
-- With (CD) or (EF) and at least one of (GHIJKL), then at least one 4 of 5 win and several 3 of 5 wins.
-- With at least 2 of (CDEF), ? 3 of 5 wins... with 3 of (CDEF) at least one 4 of 5 win.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL), several 3 of 5 wins... 3 or 4 of (GHIJKL) at least one win of 4 of 5.

A and B were both drawn

-- with (CD) or (EF), at least seven 4 of 5s.
-- with (CD) or (EF) and one of (GHIJKL), Jackpot and several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (CDEF) several 4 of 5s.
-- with 3 of (CDEF), Jackpot,  several 4 of 5s.
-- with at least 2 of (GHIJKL) several 4 of 5 wins.
-- with 3 of (GHIJKL) Jackpot, several 4 of 5s.
-- with 1 of (CDEF) and at least 1 one of (GHIJKL) at least 2 4 of 5s.
-- with at least one of (CDEF) and 1 of (GHIJKL) at least two wins of 4 of 5.

Using 36 combos, you could key 3 numbers with each of the other 36 numbers in a 5/39 game 2 times each. Add another combo and you could key on 2 numbers using each of the other 37 numbers at least 3 times each. A key zone wheel using your two key numbers with any 2 numbers from your two pairs plus any 1 of the other 6 numbers has 36 combos too.

"A and B weren't drawn (You can only get 3 of 5 wins in this case)"

Or you could have played a 35 combo 4 if 5 of 12 number wheel that would have guaranteed a four number match if any 5 of your 12 numbers matched. Had your method matched your two key numbers with one of your pairs, there would have been 8 four number matches plus 2 three number matches and 26 two number matches.

Your wheel has a nice balance and I like the fact it still catches three number matches after missing the key numbers.

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 Posted: February 7, 2011, 8:30 pm - IP Logged

Where could I find a wheel like that - ourtside of LP?  I've only found one site that has wheels for free- and the least that it takes there to guarantee a 4 of 5 with 12 numbers win is with 80 combinations, although that also gives you 10 3 of 5s with 4.

I don't really care about trying to get 3 of 5s, I'm shooting for an arrangement that "Shoots for" Jackpots - and manages to catch 4 of 5 wins if it slips.  If you get the key numbers right - it makes it much more likely for you to hit JP and that's what I'm aiming for.  The idea is that if you've got 2 numbers you think are gonna come, you play them in the key positions, along with your next favorite 6 numbers in the GHIJKL spots.  Put other possible pairs in the CD and EF positions.

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You could also place CD and EF with...

GHI
GHJ
GHK
GHL
GIJ
GIK
GIL
GJK
GJL
GKL
HIJ
HIK
HIL
HJK
HJL
HKL
IJK
IJL
IKL
JKL

for 40 more combos or place CDE, CDF, CEF, and DEF with

GH

GI

GJ

GK

GL

HI

HJ

HK

HL

IJ

IK

IL

JK

JL

KL

For 60 more.  At that point, however, you may be pushing it in terms of playing too many numbers.

Kentucky
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Where could I find a wheel like that - ourtside of LP?  I've only found one site that has wheels for free- and the least that it takes there to guarantee a 4 of 5 with 12 numbers win is with 80 combinations, although that also gives you 10 3 of 5s with 4.

I don't really care about trying to get 3 of 5s, I'm shooting for an arrangement that "Shoots for" Jackpots - and manages to catch 4 of 5 wins if it slips.  If you get the key numbers right - it makes it much more likely for you to hit JP and that's what I'm aiming for.  The idea is that if you've got 2 numbers you think are gonna come, you play them in the key positions, along with your next favorite 6 numbers in the GHIJKL spots.  Put other possible pairs in the CD and EF positions.

The 35 combo 4 if 5 wheel is right here on LP, but I believe you have to be a Gold or Platinum member to access it. You can make the other wheels using Free Wheeling on Lottery Director.

I personally know a guy that keyed on 3 numbers and won a \$100,000 jackpot.

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If you had a copy of CoverMaster you could make a (12,5,4,5)=35 yourself in about 30 seconds.  Not that I'm saying CM can make all wheels that fast or as good as wheels here in LP, but it is fun to try.

1  2  3  5  9
1  2  4  5 12
1  2  4  6  7
1  2  4 10 11
1  2  6  8 12
1  2  7 11 12
1  3  4  8 10
1  3  4  9 12
1  3  6  7  8
1  3  8 10 11
1  4  5  7 11
1  4  6  9 11
1  5  6 10 12
1  5  8 11 12
1  7  8  9 10
2  3  4  7 10
2  3  5  6 11
2  3  6  9 10
2  3  8 10 12
2  4  6 10 12
2  4  8  9 11
2  5  7  8 10
2  6  7  9 12
2  9 10 11 12
3  4  5  6  8
3  4  6 11 12
3  5  7 10 12
3  7  8  9 11
4  5  6  7  9
4  5  8  9 10
4  5  9 10 11
4  7  8 10 12
5  6  8  9 12
5  7  9 11 12
6  7  8 10 11
CM (12,5,4,5)=35

BobP

btw, nice multi wheel wtg.

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Thanks BobP, it was literally my first wheel (well, besides Pick 3- that's kind of a different beast, though.)

Gonna do some work on this....

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Thanks BobP, it was literally my first wheel (well, besides Pick 3- that's kind of a different beast, though.)

Gonna do some work on this....

Cover master is a great tool for making unique wheels too; you won't find 2 if 3 or 2 if 4 wheels in most software systems.

LP has the most user friendly positional wheel generator for pick-3 and pick-4 games that I've seen.

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