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RL-RANDOMLOGIC's avatar - usafce

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Hello

I would be interested in how many people use visualation techniques when choosing number selections.

Most people I think would agree that statictial analysis shows some great data but falls short when we

try to extract enough information for the next draw.  Example.  Lets say that we find that two numbers

that appear togeather 30% of the time however we cannot predict when they will occur next.   This is just

a hypothetical event but I think most can relate to it.   It seems to me the more I analyze the history the 

less success I experience.

Selecting information based on visualations is often indicative of pie charts, bar graphs, ect... but what I

want to discuss here involves small scattered bits of data that appear as non-statistical patterns.  To put

simply this would be some chain of events that when you analyze the data against a larger sample it shows

no real advantage but often leads to a correct selection for the next draw.  I very often see these sort of

patterns or maybe a better term would be chains.  The links in these chains don't continue for long periods

of time or repeat with any regularity leading to a analysis which shows no statistical advantage but many

times one can extrapolate what will happen next . 

I build all my databases in a text format so that I can view it quickly with any text editor and often times some

bit or bits of information will just seem to stand out for the next draw.  This is not a statistical driven topic so

any thing you post should not be criticised.  What works for you is what I want to know and I hope that many

will post their mini methods/systems whatever they may be.

 

Thanks in advance

RL

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    Not sure if you're referring to JP games or not but if you're referring to P3,I am solely starting to use methods like the below example.Here's an excerpt from my connecticut thread...corncerning visual patterns...in this instance,asto possible weekend hit.This is my way to narrow down plays significantly.

    Notice how the highlighted wednesday/tues areas have been affecting the weekends

     

    Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4
    MiddayEveningMiddayEvening
    Thu, May 19, 20110-2-2
    Wed, May 18, 20113-7-11-1-44-3-9-24-8-3-4
    Tue, May 17, 20111-4-75-9-25-1-9-61-3-3-0
    Mon, May 16, 20111-0-78-8-11-5-5-52-2-8-9
    Sun, May 15, 20113-2-42-9-57-2-7-11-2-2-2
    Sat, May 14, 20119-7-39-0-40-5-5-65-3-0-1
    Fri, May 13, 20119-0-49-4-01-4-1-63-5-9-4
    Thu, May 12, 20111-5-96-8-88-9-7-56-9-2-6
    Wed, May 11, 20117-8-69-3-12-9-0-96-6-3-5
    Tue, May 10, 20114-4-92-7-39-0-0-18-3-2-9
    Mon, May 9, 20118-7-79-7-11-9-0-76-3-3-4
    Sun, May 8, 20114-7-86-8-90-6-1-56-1-7-1
    Sat, May 7, 20116-2-23-2-51-5-0-71-6-3-8
    Fri, May 6, 20114-9-15-2-27-2-8-05-4-2-9
    Thu, May 5, 20117-6-12-2-60-2-4-46-6-8-5
    Wed, May 4, 20114-7-76-0-75-3-9-33-8-5-7
    Tue, May 3, 20118-5-39-0-34-5-7-65-3-7-2
    Mon, May 2, 20115-7-45-1-08-9-5-87-9-4-9
    Sun, May 1, 20116-3-76-9-91-0-0-83-7-9-6
    Sat, Apr 30, 20117-0-37-0-96-8-6-59-3-2-1
    Fri, Apr 29, 20119-6-90-5-00-9-7-74-1-2-8
    Thu, Apr 28, 20111-9-89-3-35-5-9-38-9-5-9
    Wed, Apr 27, 20119-7-33-7-39-5-9-80-7-4-8
    Tue, Apr 26, 20119-3-94-4-98-7-6-84-1-1-3

    "No matter how bad things may get, I'd like to thank my middle finger

    for always sticking up for me.."

     


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      Not sure if you're referring to JP games or not but if you're referring to P3,I am solely starting to use methods like the below example.Here's an excerpt from my connecticut thread...corncerning visual patterns...in this instance,asto possible weekend hit.This is my way to narrow down plays significantly.

      Notice how the highlighted wednesday/tues areas have been affecting the weekends

       

      Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4
      MiddayEveningMiddayEvening
      Thu, May 19, 20110-2-2
      Wed, May 18, 20113-7-11-1-44-3-9-24-8-3-4
      Tue, May 17, 20111-4-75-9-25-1-9-61-3-3-0
      Mon, May 16, 20111-0-78-8-11-5-5-52-2-8-9
      Sun, May 15, 20113-2-42-9-57-2-7-11-2-2-2
      Sat, May 14, 20119-7-39-0-40-5-5-65-3-0-1
      Fri, May 13, 20119-0-49-4-01-4-1-63-5-9-4
      Thu, May 12, 20111-5-96-8-88-9-7-56-9-2-6
      Wed, May 11, 20117-8-69-3-12-9-0-96-6-3-5
      Tue, May 10, 20114-4-92-7-39-0-0-18-3-2-9
      Mon, May 9, 20118-7-79-7-11-9-0-76-3-3-4
      Sun, May 8, 20114-7-86-8-90-6-1-56-1-7-1
      Sat, May 7, 20116-2-23-2-51-5-0-71-6-3-8
      Fri, May 6, 20114-9-15-2-27-2-8-05-4-2-9
      Thu, May 5, 20117-6-12-2-60-2-4-46-6-8-5
      Wed, May 4, 20114-7-76-0-75-3-9-33-8-5-7
      Tue, May 3, 20118-5-39-0-34-5-7-65-3-7-2
      Mon, May 2, 20115-7-45-1-08-9-5-87-9-4-9
      Sun, May 1, 20116-3-76-9-91-0-0-83-7-9-6
      Sat, Apr 30, 20117-0-37-0-96-8-6-59-3-2-1
      Fri, Apr 29, 20119-6-90-5-00-9-7-74-1-2-8
      Thu, Apr 28, 20111-9-89-3-35-5-9-38-9-5-9
      Wed, Apr 27, 20119-7-33-7-39-5-9-80-7-4-8
      Tue, Apr 26, 20119-3-94-4-98-7-6-84-1-1-3

      Jonny B

      All games are welcome, I hope this topic takes off as a place where anyone can just throw out ideas which others

      can try for themselves.  I can often get a new idea from something someone else is using.  I don't care how far out

      they may seem.  I don't play P-3 P-4 games but that does not mean I can't adapt the methods from these games

      to what I play.   

      Thanks

      RL

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        Jonny B

        All games are welcome, I hope this topic takes off as a place where anyone can just throw out ideas which others

        can try for themselves.  I can often get a new idea from something someone else is using.  I don't care how far out

        they may seem.  I don't play P-3 P-4 games but that does not mean I can't adapt the methods from these games

        to what I play.   

        Thanks

        RL

        have you ever attempted to vertically match Powerball numbers within the "plain text" view...basically handicap line by line ...for example,when analyzing the  first line,try to find a common vertical occurence somewhere else that also has 04411 in the sequence  etc..when accomplished,move to the next

        It's just a thought...

        ..after all it has worked well with play3..so theoretically PB 'may' be flexible this way to get a decent hit with minimal plays

         

        Draw Date 

        05/18/2011  07  12  42  49  13  16  4
        05/14/2011  40  18  17  08  44  16  2
        05/11/2011  43  32  09  45  17  31  3
        05/07/2011  11  55  47  02  27  15  4
        05/04/2011  15  41  29  27  03  24  4
        04/30/2011  41  15  06  13  32  03  2
        04/27/2011  40  44  55  24  04  05  2
        04/23/2011  58  11  03  48  47  19  3
        04/20/2011  09  24  43  34  36  27  3
        04/16/2011  21  55  33  45  44  07  5
        04/13/2011  04  49  39  50  23  39  3
        04/09/2011  53  05  56  14  32  11  4
        04/06/2011  56  18  55  10  41  15  2
        04/02/2011  43  22  34  06  45  23  2
        03/30/2011  58  56  20  19  42  37  4
        03/26/2011  10  04  11  33  19  27  4
        03/23/2011  15  28  05  26  32  09  2
        03/19/2011  11  20  46  27  03  08  2
        03/16/2011  53  28  48  39  40  09  3
        03/12/2011  04  41  01  12  47  03  4
        03/09/2011  12  20  28  40  48  08  2
        03/05/2011  42  31  23  48  02  21  2
        03/02/2011  50  58  07  31  51  06  2
        02/26/2011  04  45  21  17  13  10  5
        02/23/2011  32  36  39  29  49  29  3
        02/19/2011  12  34  03  42  37  36  5
        02/16/2011  23  48  21  09  13  24  2
        02/12/2011  32  52  36  48  11  19  4
        02/09/2011  51  39  42  11  07  30  4
        02/05/2011  15  41  59  37  56  05  5
        02/02/2011  33  57  53  03  14  36  4
        01/29/2011  28  45  24  52  49  02  4
        01/26/2011  04  47  58  05  36  06  3
        01/22/2011  34  30  51  31  45  23  2
        01/19/2011  36  51  56  22  59  32  3
        01/15/2011  22  13  09  37  23  31  3

        "No matter how bad things may get, I'd like to thank my middle finger

        for always sticking up for me.."

         


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          Here is something that I often use.  Look at a draw history for your game and notice the draws where

          the first number in the set is 10 or greater.  Many times the next draw will also be above 10 and if not

          then it will normally happen within 3 draws.  This won't win any JP's by it's self but can improve your

          conditional odds by removing 9 numbers from the possible choices.  I track digits so for me I would most

          often play a decade digit 1 in the first number.   This may not work for the big games like PB or MM.

          RL

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            have you ever attempted to vertically match Powerball numbers within the "plain text" view...basically handicap line by line ...for example,when analyzing the  first line,try to find a common vertical occurence somewhere else that also has 04411 in the sequence  etc..when accomplished,move to the next

            It's just a thought...

            ..after all it has worked well with play3..so theoretically PB 'may' be flexible this way to get a decent hit with minimal plays

             

            Draw Date 

            05/18/2011  07  12  42  49  13  16  4
            05/14/2011  40  18  17  08  44  16  2
            05/11/2011  43  32  09  45  17  31  3
            05/07/2011  11  55  47  02  27  15  4
            05/04/2011  15  41  29  27  03  24  4
            04/30/2011  41  15  06  13  32  03  2
            04/27/2011  40  44  55  24  04  05  2
            04/23/2011  58  11  03  48  47  19  3
            04/20/2011  09  24  43  34  36  27  3
            04/16/2011  21  55  33  45  44  07  5
            04/13/2011  04  49  39  50  23  39  3
            04/09/2011  53  05  56  14  32  11  4
            04/06/2011  56  18  55  10  41  15  2
            04/02/2011  43  22  34  06  45  23  2
            03/30/2011  58  56  20  19  42  37  4
            03/26/2011  10  04  11  33  19  27  4
            03/23/2011  15  28  05  26  32  09  2
            03/19/2011  11  20  46  27  03  08  2
            03/16/2011  53  28  48  39  40  09  3
            03/12/2011  04  41  01  12  47  03  4
            03/09/2011  12  20  28  40  48  08  2
            03/05/2011  42  31  23  48  02  21  2
            03/02/2011  50  58  07  31  51  06  2
            02/26/2011  04  45  21  17  13  10  5
            02/23/2011  32  36  39  29  49  29  3
            02/19/2011  12  34  03  42  37  36  5
            02/16/2011  23  48  21  09  13  24  2
            02/12/2011  32  52  36  48  11  19  4
            02/09/2011  51  39  42  11  07  30  4
            02/05/2011  15  41  59  37  56  05  5
            02/02/2011  33  57  53  03  14  36  4
            01/29/2011  28  45  24  52  49  02  4
            01/26/2011  04  47  58  05  36  06  3
            01/22/2011  34  30  51  31  45  23  2
            01/19/2011  36  51  56  22  59  32  3
            01/15/2011  22  13  09  37  23  31  3

            Jonny B

            Yes, This is one of the first methods I use.  I use custom software that picks the digits off and places them in a

            string.  You can then select as many digits to group togeather as you want and then search the entire history

            to see what hits most in the next draw after the pattern such as the highlighted 04411 above.  I then use a 

            sort of random based logic to help me decide which value to play next.  I can also range this value if I think

            that more then one digit has a good chance of hitting in the next draw.

            RL

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              have you ever attempted to vertically match Powerball numbers within the "plain text" view...basically handicap line by line ...for example,when analyzing the  first line,try to find a common vertical occurence somewhere else that also has 04411 in the sequence  etc..when accomplished,move to the next

              It's just a thought...

              ..after all it has worked well with play3..so theoretically PB 'may' be flexible this way to get a decent hit with minimal plays

               

              Draw Date 

              05/18/2011  07  12  42  49  13  16  4
              05/14/2011  40  18  17  08  44  16  2
              05/11/2011  43  32  09  45  17  31  3
              05/07/2011  11  55  47  02  27  15  4
              05/04/2011  15  41  29  27  03  24  4
              04/30/2011  41  15  06  13  32  03  2
              04/27/2011  40  44  55  24  04  05  2
              04/23/2011  58  11  03  48  47  19  3
              04/20/2011  09  24  43  34  36  27  3
              04/16/2011  21  55  33  45  44  07  5
              04/13/2011  04  49  39  50  23  39  3
              04/09/2011  53  05  56  14  32  11  4
              04/06/2011  56  18  55  10  41  15  2
              04/02/2011  43  22  34  06  45  23  2
              03/30/2011  58  56  20  19  42  37  4
              03/26/2011  10  04  11  33  19  27  4
              03/23/2011  15  28  05  26  32  09  2
              03/19/2011  11  20  46  27  03  08  2
              03/16/2011  53  28  48  39  40  09  3
              03/12/2011  04  41  01  12  47  03  4
              03/09/2011  12  20  28  40  48  08  2
              03/05/2011  42  31  23  48  02  21  2
              03/02/2011  50  58  07  31  51  06  2
              02/26/2011  04  45  21  17  13  10  5
              02/23/2011  32  36  39  29  49  29  3
              02/19/2011  12  34  03  42  37  36  5
              02/16/2011  23  48  21  09  13  24  2
              02/12/2011  32  52  36  48  11  19  4
              02/09/2011  51  39  42  11  07  30  4
              02/05/2011  15  41  59  37  56  05  5
              02/02/2011  33  57  53  03  14  36  4
              01/29/2011  28  45  24  52  49  02  4
              01/26/2011  04  47  58  05  36  06  3
              01/22/2011  34  30  51  31  45  23  2
              01/19/2011  36  51  56  22  59  32  3
              01/15/2011  22  13  09  37  23  31  3

              You're treating PB like a pick3 where the order numbers are picked is important.  I would think you would have to sort each line in numerical order first so you are comparing the lowest with the lowest, the highest with the highest and etc before trying to handicap them.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                RJOh

                I agree because unless the data selected is somehow position specific then the results would be hard

                to place for the next drawing.  Sorting the numbers from low to high does this.  Games with less then a

                500 draw history won't yeild many matching patterns unless a person only uses a couple draw values in

                the search.

                The decades will yeild more results when looking at the digits and one of the values returned will most

                likely hit in the next draw but you will still need to make a final selection from a pool of more then one. 

                It is hard to get a definitave value to play but it can be used to bias ones final choice.  This method is not

                limited to just numbers or digits but can be used for filters also.

                 

                RL

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                  An example

                  bias search

                  This example was made from MO. SM5 using draws draws 05-12-11 to 05-17-11.   The next draw on 05-18-11

                  did hit a 5.  This is a non-typical result but many days similar patterns can be found. 

                  RL

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                    Hello

                    I would be interested in how many people use visualation techniques when choosing number selections.

                    Most people I think would agree that statictial analysis shows some great data but falls short when we

                    try to extract enough information for the next draw.  Example.  Lets say that we find that two numbers

                    that appear togeather 30% of the time however we cannot predict when they will occur next.   This is just

                    a hypothetical event but I think most can relate to it.   It seems to me the more I analyze the history the 

                    less success I experience.

                    Selecting information based on visualations is often indicative of pie charts, bar graphs, ect... but what I

                    want to discuss here involves small scattered bits of data that appear as non-statistical patterns.  To put

                    simply this would be some chain of events that when you analyze the data against a larger sample it shows

                    no real advantage but often leads to a correct selection for the next draw.  I very often see these sort of

                    patterns or maybe a better term would be chains.  The links in these chains don't continue for long periods

                    of time or repeat with any regularity leading to a analysis which shows no statistical advantage but many

                    times one can extrapolate what will happen next . 

                    I build all my databases in a text format so that I can view it quickly with any text editor and often times some

                    bit or bits of information will just seem to stand out for the next draw.  This is not a statistical driven topic so

                    any thing you post should not be criticised.  What works for you is what I want to know and I hope that many

                    will post their mini methods/systems whatever they may be.

                     

                    Thanks in advance

                    RL

                    Non-tongue-in-cheek response to your lead post:

                    I'll say this because I don't mind being laughed out of the forum:

                    One way you can sort out combinations by a lot of filtering criteria you'll recognize after you've done it and begin examining what you're seeing is to calculate the sidereal times, h-m-s, and the equation of the equinoxes for the draws throughout the draw history.  Use separate sidereal times for the months when DST is activated.

                    Once you begin sorting and filtering you'll discover a lot about combinations and the way they manifest themselves you didn't know before than you were aware you didn't know.

                    But, of course, I don't expect anyone to do it.  Makes no sense.

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                      However, if you'd care to try it here's a link to a set of calculations of sidereal times for PB Orlando, STD and DST.  http://db.tt/iT7rS0z

                      Works better on longer draw histories, naturally

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                        Non-tongue-in-cheek response to your lead post:

                        I'll say this because I don't mind being laughed out of the forum:

                        One way you can sort out combinations by a lot of filtering criteria you'll recognize after you've done it and begin examining what you're seeing is to calculate the sidereal times, h-m-s, and the equation of the equinoxes for the draws throughout the draw history.  Use separate sidereal times for the months when DST is activated.

                        Once you begin sorting and filtering you'll discover a lot about combinations and the way they manifest themselves you didn't know before than you were aware you didn't know.

                        But, of course, I don't expect anyone to do it.  Makes no sense.

                        Looked at the files Josephus, brought back lots of memories. We used a Nardin chrononometer( another name for a watch), to record the times of every Polaris observation. We set the clock to sideral time. If I had a $1 for every time I did that calculation, I wouldn't need to play the lottery.

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                          Non-tongue-in-cheek response to your lead post:

                          I'll say this because I don't mind being laughed out of the forum:

                          One way you can sort out combinations by a lot of filtering criteria you'll recognize after you've done it and begin examining what you're seeing is to calculate the sidereal times, h-m-s, and the equation of the equinoxes for the draws throughout the draw history.  Use separate sidereal times for the months when DST is activated.

                          Once you begin sorting and filtering you'll discover a lot about combinations and the way they manifest themselves you didn't know before than you were aware you didn't know.

                          But, of course, I don't expect anyone to do it.  Makes no sense.

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                          josephus

                          I for one think you are on to something.

                          RL

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                            josephus

                            I for one think you are on to something.

                            RL

                            Wednesdays only or Saturdays only if you want to make sense of it, and if you're using that particular lottery.