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Are vendors supposed to 'tape' tickets together?

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Posted: June 18, 2011, 1:36 pm - IP Logged

So last night I went to buy seven $10.00 tickets. I noticed the first ticket was #47 (most stores sell them from the last number - 50 - to the first number - 1.

So I bought the seven tickets, and when I got home I started to tear each ticket when I noticed that there was no number 45. It went from number 46 to number 44.  After close inspection, I noticed a very thin piece of tape that held 46 and 44 together. So apparently, #47 and #46 were from a different roll.

Is this ethical? Are vendors supposed to do this? BTW, I did not win anything on #47 and 46. Number 41 won $25.00 and #40 won $10.00. I'm wondering if the vendor knew that #45 was a big winner?

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    Posted: June 18, 2011, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

    Report the store to your lottery headquarters.

    It is obvious tampering. A clearly visible line of tape holding sequential tickets in place, ok. But a thin piece

    of tape....thin enough in hopes someone would not notice? No.

    There are cheats and thieves all over the place. No one can tell me that this instant ticket 'racket' has not

    been 'decoded' by now and that it's all random.

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      Posted: June 18, 2011, 4:14 pm - IP Logged

      Report the store to your lottery headquarters.

      It is obvious tampering. A clearly visible line of tape holding sequential tickets in place, ok. But a thin piece

      of tape....thin enough in hopes someone would not notice? No.

      There are cheats and thieves all over the place. No one can tell me that this instant ticket 'racket' has not

      been 'decoded' by now and that it's all random.

      Thanks dr65. I live in NYC, and this isn't the first time I've suspected store owners of cheating.

      I looked at the tickets that I bought and there was no evidence of visible tampering - but, something is not right!!

      I will report the store.

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        Posted: June 18, 2011, 5:20 pm - IP Logged

        I agree with DR65. I use to work in a store and load tickets in the machines. If a pack was nearing the end, we would tape the next pack to it, so it wouldnt run out. It should never be done at counters or where people hand you the tickets...

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          Posted: June 19, 2011, 2:16 am - IP Logged

          I think there is just too much insider info being passed around and by that I mean that thousands of

          people play these games and run into hundreds of clerks who hear the stories associated with playing

          them. When the game itself is seemingly so large and widespread that a chance of cheating and having

          an inside edge seems impossible, I'd be reconsidering that notion. If I consider my local tobacco shop

          alone, there are hundreds of players that go there to buy instants and dailys...there is a LOT of talk

          in that shop. I don't suspect the clerk of anything underhanded or wrong but he stocks the machines,

          activates the packs, keeps the counter tickets stocked well even if he has to put the remaining 3 or so

          from the last pack on top of the new pack...no tape, they just kind of hang there. He activates them,

          validates them, is accustomed to ticket numbers and player preferences...which, by the way, the ticket

          numbers are VERY important to some people. Being a clerk he has insight which most players don't even

          think about - why would they? Most people come in, order their tickets, scratch them or take them home.

          Some players come in and TALK....and they talk about what they know.

          I think it gives a clerk...any clerk....the advantage of not having to play the tickets him/herself yet gain

          tons of information (ticket numbers, winning amounts, winning games, losing games, etc. etc.) without

          the clerk having to spend a red cent.

          I just always considered it a conflict for a clerk to be able to play tickets - it seems to me that it's like

          the fox in charge of the hen house. Money is a motivator in the wrong direction for some people. The

          lottery has to change it's security measures once in awhile to hinder cheats...but the cheats find ways

          around them. I've seen suspicious things on instant tickets already that I had to report. In some IVM's

          and counter tickets, I've gotten tickets that are missing some latex here and there..AND this is on tickets

          that have NO letter codes...so why and what is whoever did that to the tickets looking for?

          It's a darn shame that in a game that's supposed to be totally random, you have to worry about the

          not so random criminal tampering with the tickets you intend to buy and the insider information clerk

          using what s/he knows and sees everyday to direct him/her to possibly the best ticket in the pack with

          enough tries at it...they have the whole selection at their fingertips. And with some carefully placed tape

          who is going to know? Maybe the camera that they have installed in some stores has a story to tell the

          local lottery officials. I wouldn't waste any time in reporting such gross misconduct and downright thievery.

          Please OP, follow through and report back.

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            Posted: June 19, 2011, 1:39 pm - IP Logged

            I think there is just too much insider info being passed around and by that I mean that thousands of

            people play these games and run into hundreds of clerks who hear the stories associated with playing

            them. When the game itself is seemingly so large and widespread that a chance of cheating and having

            an inside edge seems impossible, I'd be reconsidering that notion. If I consider my local tobacco shop

            alone, there are hundreds of players that go there to buy instants and dailys...there is a LOT of talk

            in that shop. I don't suspect the clerk of anything underhanded or wrong but he stocks the machines,

            activates the packs, keeps the counter tickets stocked well even if he has to put the remaining 3 or so

            from the last pack on top of the new pack...no tape, they just kind of hang there. He activates them,

            validates them, is accustomed to ticket numbers and player preferences...which, by the way, the ticket

            numbers are VERY important to some people. Being a clerk he has insight which most players don't even

            think about - why would they? Most people come in, order their tickets, scratch them or take them home.

            Some players come in and TALK....and they talk about what they know.

            I think it gives a clerk...any clerk....the advantage of not having to play the tickets him/herself yet gain

            tons of information (ticket numbers, winning amounts, winning games, losing games, etc. etc.) without

            the clerk having to spend a red cent.

            I just always considered it a conflict for a clerk to be able to play tickets - it seems to me that it's like

            the fox in charge of the hen house. Money is a motivator in the wrong direction for some people. The

            lottery has to change it's security measures once in awhile to hinder cheats...but the cheats find ways

            around them. I've seen suspicious things on instant tickets already that I had to report. In some IVM's

            and counter tickets, I've gotten tickets that are missing some latex here and there..AND this is on tickets

            that have NO letter codes...so why and what is whoever did that to the tickets looking for?

            It's a darn shame that in a game that's supposed to be totally random, you have to worry about the

            not so random criminal tampering with the tickets you intend to buy and the insider information clerk

            using what s/he knows and sees everyday to direct him/her to possibly the best ticket in the pack with

            enough tries at it...they have the whole selection at their fingertips. And with some carefully placed tape

            who is going to know? Maybe the camera that they have installed in some stores has a story to tell the

            local lottery officials. I wouldn't waste any time in reporting such gross misconduct and downright thievery.

            Please OP, follow through and report back.

            Regarding the latex missing from the ticket from the machine ive ran into this before also. usually at small stores, where perhaps afterhours clerks make minute scratches in hopes they hit a number or something ?? they are usually as thin as a hair, but in groups and sometimes 50% of the ticket has these scratches....

            ive seen them on monopoly and FMC, where perhaps they are looking for symbols ??

            And when you go and confront the clerk, they just say the machine scratched the tickets.... yeah f'ing right ! every ticket would be scratched then not just a few ...

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              Posted: June 26, 2011, 10:29 pm - IP Logged

              I think there is just too much insider info being passed around and by that I mean that thousands of

              people play these games and run into hundreds of clerks who hear the stories associated with playing

              them. When the game itself is seemingly so large and widespread that a chance of cheating and having

              an inside edge seems impossible, I'd be reconsidering that notion. If I consider my local tobacco shop

              alone, there are hundreds of players that go there to buy instants and dailys...there is a LOT of talk

              in that shop. I don't suspect the clerk of anything underhanded or wrong but he stocks the machines,

              activates the packs, keeps the counter tickets stocked well even if he has to put the remaining 3 or so

              from the last pack on top of the new pack...no tape, they just kind of hang there. He activates them,

              validates them, is accustomed to ticket numbers and player preferences...which, by the way, the ticket

              numbers are VERY important to some people. Being a clerk he has insight which most players don't even

              think about - why would they? Most people come in, order their tickets, scratch them or take them home.

              Some players come in and TALK....and they talk about what they know.

              I think it gives a clerk...any clerk....the advantage of not having to play the tickets him/herself yet gain

              tons of information (ticket numbers, winning amounts, winning games, losing games, etc. etc.) without

              the clerk having to spend a red cent.

              I just always considered it a conflict for a clerk to be able to play tickets - it seems to me that it's like

              the fox in charge of the hen house. Money is a motivator in the wrong direction for some people. The

              lottery has to change it's security measures once in awhile to hinder cheats...but the cheats find ways

              around them. I've seen suspicious things on instant tickets already that I had to report. In some IVM's

              and counter tickets, I've gotten tickets that are missing some latex here and there..AND this is on tickets

              that have NO letter codes...so why and what is whoever did that to the tickets looking for?

              It's a darn shame that in a game that's supposed to be totally random, you have to worry about the

              not so random criminal tampering with the tickets you intend to buy and the insider information clerk

              using what s/he knows and sees everyday to direct him/her to possibly the best ticket in the pack with

              enough tries at it...they have the whole selection at their fingertips. And with some carefully placed tape

              who is going to know? Maybe the camera that they have installed in some stores has a story to tell the

              local lottery officials. I wouldn't waste any time in reporting such gross misconduct and downright thievery.

              Please OP, follow through and report back.

              I have notified the NYS lottery and am waiting for a response. I'll keep you posted. Thanks.