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cleveland ohio
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Ok first off I was reading a thread not sure who posted it so I cant give credit where credit is due. The entire premise of this was from someone other then me.

That being said they were saying that add+1 to each digit -1 to each digit and +5 each digit playing those for 1o draws showed promise. Me not being an online player started to look into something that interestingly enough shows promise and for you online players this may really be much much better.

Here is the premise and I have not totally decided in my mind how I would carry this out which is why Im bringing it to the scrutany of my fellow LP players to digest and disect.

Number drawn no matter were you start add +1 to each digit then subtract 1 from each digit finally add +5 this should give you 9 numbers find the doubles (this becomes the hard part which pair to play) but play the first double found with all the other numbers not including the numbers draw that you created the doubles from.

I have been tracking this with 10 draws/changing once hit/changing after 10 draws you would need to hit about once every 22 draws I can be done but you would have to get lucky deciding if you should follow the pattern or change on hits then reset.

Im sure with some discussion this could actually be put to good use.

Here is an acutal example from OH pick 3 lottery

675 was drawn using the persons that posted +1 -1 +5 gives us

775

685

676

575

665

674

175

625

670

We have doubles of 77-66-55- and you would pair those up again looking for a box hit with(0123489) using only 1 of the pairs

the next 10 draws were 351-876-887-708-426-554(hit)-066(hit)-249-838-974

So the first pair lost but the other 2 hit

I could carry this out farther but interestingly enough the 1st pair doest hit as often as I would have thought so thought it would be worth showing this idea to the movers and thinkers on this board who I know will work this through many workouts maybe we could find a path that could prove profitable. :-)

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for those curious because I only listed 1 10 draw set the last number 974 gave pairs of 44-99 using (0123568)

next 10 numbers 816-990(hit)-031-445(hit) no other matches that 10 draw span. Ive been wonding if I should toss double numbers out but agian I was just testing this so the last of the 10 numbers was 343 gave me doubles of 44 and 33 increasing my bet by 1 per play but next numbers were

026-444-752-691-748-059-113-044- there is the hit again. Of course 33 didnt hit this tme.

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Ok first off I was reading a thread not sure who posted it so I cant give credit where credit is due. The entire premise of this was from someone other then me.

That being said they were saying that add+1 to each digit -1 to each digit and +5 each digit playing those for 1o draws showed promise. Me not being an online player started to look into something that interestingly enough shows promise and for you online players this may really be much much better.

Here is the premise and I have not totally decided in my mind how I would carry this out which is why Im bringing it to the scrutany of my fellow LP players to digest and disect.

Number drawn no matter were you start add +1 to each digit then subtract 1 from each digit finally add +5 this should give you 9 numbers find the doubles (this becomes the hard part which pair to play) but play the first double found with all the other numbers not including the numbers draw that you created the doubles from.

I have been tracking this with 10 draws/changing once hit/changing after 10 draws you would need to hit about once every 22 draws I can be done but you would have to get lucky deciding if you should follow the pattern or change on hits then reset.

Im sure with some discussion this could actually be put to good use.

Here is an acutal example from OH pick 3 lottery

675 was drawn using the persons that posted +1 -1 +5 gives us

775

685

676

575

665

674

175

625

670

We have doubles of 77-66-55- and you would pair those up again looking for a box hit with(0123489) using only 1 of the pairs

the next 10 draws were 351-876-887-708-426-554(hit)-066(hit)-249-838-974

So the first pair lost but the other 2 hit

I could carry this out farther but interestingly enough the 1st pair doest hit as often as I would have thought so thought it would be worth showing this idea to the movers and thinkers on this board who I know will work this through many workouts maybe we could find a path that could prove profitable. :-)

Could you let us know your backtests for OH P3/P4 by using your method in detail? Thanks.

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Ok first off I was reading a thread not sure who posted it so I cant give credit where credit is due. The entire premise of this was from someone other then me.

That being said they were saying that add+1 to each digit -1 to each digit and +5 each digit playing those for 1o draws showed promise. Me not being an online player started to look into something that interestingly enough shows promise and for you online players this may really be much much better.

Here is the premise and I have not totally decided in my mind how I would carry this out which is why Im bringing it to the scrutany of my fellow LP players to digest and disect.

Number drawn no matter were you start add +1 to each digit then subtract 1 from each digit finally add +5 this should give you 9 numbers find the doubles (this becomes the hard part which pair to play) but play the first double found with all the other numbers not including the numbers draw that you created the doubles from.

I have been tracking this with 10 draws/changing once hit/changing after 10 draws you would need to hit about once every 22 draws I can be done but you would have to get lucky deciding if you should follow the pattern or change on hits then reset.

Im sure with some discussion this could actually be put to good use.

Here is an acutal example from OH pick 3 lottery

675 was drawn using the persons that posted +1 -1 +5 gives us

775

685

676

575

665

674

175

625

670

We have doubles of 77-66-55- and you would pair those up again looking for a box hit with(0123489) using only 1 of the pairs

the next 10 draws were 351-876-887-708-426-554(hit)-066(hit)-249-838-974

So the first pair lost but the other 2 hit

I could carry this out farther but interestingly enough the 1st pair doest hit as often as I would have thought so thought it would be worth showing this idea to the movers and thinkers on this board who I know will work this through many workouts maybe we could find a path that could prove profitable. :-)

I'm not clear on exactly how your numbers are caclulated, but I ran the +1,-1,+5 through a rundown and came up with this.  It may not be what you are talking about here on this thread.

675
760
855
940
035
120
215
300
495
580
675

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Ok seems simple in my mind just need to be able to explain it. :-)

Here is a quick example from OH pick 3 which just happened to fall at my 10 draw set from when I began looking at this. Monday 3/5/12 evening draw 897 was drawn.

Keep in mind Im only looking for box hits (not worried about straight hits at all) and looking for doubles only not 3 numbers different or triples. So I +1 to each position one at a time creating a new number, Then I subtract 1 from each position in the same manner and finally add 5 to each position giving me 9 numbers.

So using 897

pos 1 8+1=9 so 997

pos 2 9+1=0 so 807

pos 2 7+1=8 so 898

Continue now with the minus 1 to each then +5 to each now your have your 9 numbers

997

807

898

797

887

896

397

847

892

What im looking for is doubles in that set of numbers in the above example we 99 88 and 77. Take all the numbers not included in the number we are using to start in this case the 897 and use those as your 3rd number.

So for example we are using 1 2 3 4 5 6 0 You have 7 doubles for each set.

lets use the 2nd set of doubles which is 88. We would be playing these numbers.

881 882 883 884 885 886 880

Midday 3/6 draw was 588

So you can see what Im looking at and Im working on some factors to try to see if I should only play the plays for 10 days then change them change them on a hit (have rarely seen 2 hits in a 10 draw span) Let them play out for 22 draws finally trying to find a good area to pick my set of doubles from IE in the above example what would help me determine to play the 1st set 99 or 2nd set 88 or 3rd set 77.

Everything I do is by hand Im no programer so cant just change paramiters an see instant changes I just start adding them on and track it.

Ill try to post my excel file which probably wont make any sense to anyone except those that really try to understand it esp because as I said Ive starting tracking different things into as I tried to focus on different things.

Ill post that next incase it mucks up or looks stupid dont want to have to rewrite this whole post.

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 6 7 5 775 first 351 685 876 676 second 887 77 xxx 575 third 708 66 HIT 665 426 55 HIT 674 554 HIT 175 66 HIT 625 249 670 838 974 9 7 4 740 816 44 HIT 984 990 HIT 99 HIT 975 13 874 445 HIT 964 757 973 702 474 first 923 924 578 979 second 514 343 3 4 3 443 FIRST 26 44 1 353 second 444 33 XXX 243 752 333 691 843 748 393 59 113 44 HIT 153 284 1 5 3 none 6 4 7 747 FIRST 388 77 XXX 657 893 66 14 648 928 547 465 637 499 646 SECON 119 147 624 607 780 642 627 826 8 2 6 3 7 0 9 1 9 19 466 99 XXX 909 FIRST 650 929 833 419 294 969 315 289 255 734 369 602 6 0 2 802 507 22 XXX 1345789 622 FIRST 832 0 HIT 624 184 402 195 682 50 HIT 600 SECOND 756 66 25 1234890 102 595 55 HIT 652 570 55 XXX 1234689 607 924 0 16 259 2 5 9 559 FIRST 156 55 XXX 289 345 22 17 252 SECOND 843 99 13 959 3RD 477 229 389 256 178 759 981 209 278 254 402 373 2 3 4 334 FIRST 512 33 10 1567890 244 2ND 446 HIT 44 HIT 235 2 22 HIT 134 214 22 HIT 11 3567890 224 3RD 863 233 699 734 901 284 229 HIT 239 684 686 9 3 4 34 313 HIT 44-XXX 33-HIT 99-XXX 1256780 944 FIRST 475 55-XXX 44-XXX 1236890 935 281 834 74 924 601 933 SECOND 758 434 572 984 77 939 3RD 316 869 8 6 9 969 FIRST 618 99-HIT 88-HIT 1234570 879 455 860 541 769 938 859 204 868 2ND 878 HIT 369 457 55-XXX 44-13 1236890 819 587 864 990 HIT 285 2 8 5 P/- 3 55-XXX 22-13 1346790 9 7 3 P/- 2 99-HIT 77-XXX 1245680 2 0 9 309 692 0-22 99-HIT 1345678 219 858 200 1ST 511 109 719 299 2ND 17 208 991 709 441 259 516 66-XXX 55-XXX 11-XXX 2347890 204 629 188 2 1 2 8 4 5 945 349 55-XXX 44-XXX 1236790 855 1ST 219 846 444 745 345 835 13 844 2ND 519 345 346 895 503 840 938 10 1 0 9 209 994 11-XXX 0-XXX 99-XXX 2345678 119 1ST 123 100 2ND 514 9 875 199 3RD 275 108 609 609 526 159 562 104 292 984 9 8 4 84 337 99-xxx 88-12 44-xxx 1235670 994 1ST 945 985 309 884 2ND 622 974 560 983 176 484 3RD 352 934 126 989 697 743 7 4 3 843 580 44-xxx 33-17 1256890 753 588 744 1ST 293 33-15 22-xxx 1456780 643 680 733 2ND 126 742 26 243 485 793 904 783 576 12 0 1 2 112 1ST 881 11 17 22-xxx 0-hit 3456789 22 2ND 690 13 30 912 196 66-xxx 11 14 2345780 2 3RD 610 11 298 512 776 62 533 17 202 532 5 3 2 632 235 33-14 22-25 1467890 542 105 533 1st 862 432 2 522 2nd 18 531 140 32 23 582 113 537 333 141 1 6 3 263 442 66-XXX 11-XXX 2457890 173 779 164 86 63 930 153 733 162 460 663 487 113 294 168 491 540 5 4 0 640 865 55-hit 44-hit 0 1236789 550 1st 375 541 720 440 2nd 553 530 740 549 202 40 3rd 410 0 11 18 2356789 590 510 545 404 690 6 9 0 790 326 0-xxx 99-XXX 1234578 600 1st 219 691 442 590 826 680 718 699 2nd 928 190 769 640 251 695 920 628 6 2 8 1 7 2 272 1st 653 22 hit 11 hit 77-13 3456890 182 272 173 255 72 511 162 313 171 2nd 290 672 224 122 14 11-XXX 0-15 2356789 177 3rd 363 658 6 5 8 758 750 66 55 1234790 668 1st 806 659 526 558 2nd 770 648 416 657 354 158 908 608 397 653 0 783 7 8 3 883 1st 128 88-11 77 33 1245690 793 970 784 900 683 216 773 2nd 4 782 519 283 599 733 3rd 592 788 528 897 8 9 7 997 1st 588 99 88-HIT 77 1234560 807 908 898 2nd 253 797 3rd 139 887 731 896 397 847 892
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Ok as I thought it got a little mucked up seems where I would write for my notes the 1st double it would shift the rest over 1 and bunch some of the stuff up as well. But what your looking at is the first 3 columns should be set up like this

Last number drawn starting at the top 1 digit in each of the first 3 columns.

Then in the first column going down 9 is the 9 numbers looking for my numbers in the 2nd column i would mark 1st double 2nd double etc. Finally in the 3rd column was the actual numbers drawn.

Now I was writing HIts in the 4th column but that got confusing so stopped (starting tracking different things so hits became confusing) At first I listing the doubles for the 10 draw set 1 under the other but when I started trying to track from a hit resetting that because to confusing so them spread out across the row instead.

Finally I knew the 7 numbers I was playing with my doubles but started adding them in "( )"

also wanted to add that next to the doubles you will see hit this is on the outside columns at first that was for if they hit in the draw span. Then I started tracking them out farther I started adding in how far out they hit only going to 22 draws so if you see a double like say 33-xxx that means it DIDNT HIT, just to add 0's in the first pos also dont show up I know I can change it but I know what it means when I say 4 as a draw the number was 004.

Hope that helps but somehow I think Ive made it worse but you can see the excellent hit ratios I believe only 6 10 draw sets have totally crapped out of 24 just quckly looking.

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Ok seems simple in my mind just need to be able to explain it. :-)

Here is a quick example from OH pick 3 which just happened to fall at my 10 draw set from when I began looking at this. Monday 3/5/12 evening draw 897 was drawn.

Keep in mind Im only looking for box hits (not worried about straight hits at all) and looking for doubles only not 3 numbers different or triples. So I +1 to each position one at a time creating a new number, Then I subtract 1 from each position in the same manner and finally add 5 to each position giving me 9 numbers.

So using 897

pos 1 8+1=9 so 997

pos 2 9+1=0 so 807

pos 2 7+1=8 so 898

Continue now with the minus 1 to each then +5 to each now your have your 9 numbers

997

807

898

797

887

896

397

847

892

What im looking for is doubles in that set of numbers in the above example we 99 88 and 77. Take all the numbers not included in the number we are using to start in this case the 897 and use those as your 3rd number.

So for example we are using 1 2 3 4 5 6 0 You have 7 doubles for each set.

lets use the 2nd set of doubles which is 88. We would be playing these numbers.

881 882 883 884 885 886 880

Midday 3/6 draw was 588

So you can see what Im looking at and Im working on some factors to try to see if I should only play the plays for 10 days then change them change them on a hit (have rarely seen 2 hits in a 10 draw span) Let them play out for 22 draws finally trying to find a good area to pick my set of doubles from IE in the above example what would help me determine to play the 1st set 99 or 2nd set 88 or 3rd set 77.

Everything I do is by hand Im no programer so cant just change paramiters an see instant changes I just start adding them on and track it.

Ill try to post my excel file which probably wont make any sense to anyone except those that really try to understand it esp because as I said Ive starting tracking different things into as I tried to focus on different things.

Ill post that next incase it mucks up or looks stupid dont want to have to rewrite this whole post.

OK.

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 6 7 5 775 first 351 685 876 676 second 887 77 xxx 575 third 708 66 HIT 665 426 55 HIT 674 554 HIT 175 66 HIT 625 249 670 838 974 9 7 4 740 816 44 HIT 984 990 HIT 99 HIT 975 13 874 445 HIT 964 757 973 702 474 first 923 924 578 979 second 514 343 3 4 3 443 FIRST 26 44 1 353 second 444 33 XXX 243 752 333 691 843 748 393 59 113 44 HIT 153 284 1 5 3 none 6 4 7 747 FIRST 388 77 XXX 657 893 66 14 648 928 547 465 637 499 646 SECON 119 147 624 607 780 642 627 826 8 2 6 3 7 0 9 1 9 19 466 99 XXX 909 FIRST 650 929 833 419 294 969 315 289 255 734 369 602 6 0 2 802 507 22 XXX 1345789 622 FIRST 832 0 HIT 624 184 402 195 682 50 HIT 600 SECOND 756 66 25 1234890 102 595 55 HIT 652 570 55 XXX 1234689 607 924 0 16 259 2 5 9 559 FIRST 156 55 XXX 289 345 22 17 252 SECOND 843 99 13 959 3RD 477 229 389 256 178 759 981 209 278 254 402 373 2 3 4 334 FIRST 512 33 10 1567890 244 2ND 446 HIT 44 HIT 235 2 22 HIT 134 214 22 HIT 11 3567890 224 3RD 863 233 699 734 901 284 229 HIT 239 684 686 9 3 4 34 313 HIT 44-XXX 33-HIT 99-XXX 1256780 944 FIRST 475 55-XXX 44-XXX 1236890 935 281 834 74 924 601 933 SECOND 758 434 572 984 77 939 3RD 316 869 8 6 9 969 FIRST 618 99-HIT 88-HIT 1234570 879 455 860 541 769 938 859 204 868 2ND 878 HIT 369 457 55-XXX 44-13 1236890 819 587 864 990 HIT 285 2 8 5 P/- 3 55-XXX 22-13 1346790 9 7 3 P/- 2 99-HIT 77-XXX 1245680 2 0 9 309 692 0-22 99-HIT 1345678 219 858 200 1ST 511 109 719 299 2ND 17 208 991 709 441 259 516 66-XXX 55-XXX 11-XXX 2347890 204 629 188 2 1 2 8 4 5 945 349 55-XXX 44-XXX 1236790 855 1ST 219 846 444 745 345 835 13 844 2ND 519 345 346 895 503 840 938 10 1 0 9 209 994 11-XXX 0-XXX 99-XXX 2345678 119 1ST 123 100 2ND 514 9 875 199 3RD 275 108 609 609 526 159 562 104 292 984 9 8 4 84 337 99-xxx 88-12 44-xxx 1235670 994 1ST 945 985 309 884 2ND 622 974 560 983 176 484 3RD 352 934 126 989 697 743 7 4 3 843 580 44-xxx 33-17 1256890 753 588 744 1ST 293 33-15 22-xxx 1456780 643 680 733 2ND 126 742 26 243 485 793 904 783 576 12 0 1 2 112 1ST 881 11 17 22-xxx 0-hit 3456789 22 2ND 690 13 30 912 196 66-xxx 11 14 2345780 2 3RD 610 11 298 512 776 62 533 17 202 532 5 3 2 632 235 33-14 22-25 1467890 542 105 533 1st 862 432 2 522 2nd 18 531 140 32 23 582 113 537 333 141 1 6 3 263 442 66-XXX 11-XXX 2457890 173 779 164 86 63 930 153 733 162 460 663 487 113 294 168 491 540 5 4 0 640 865 55-hit 44-hit 0 1236789 550 1st 375 541 720 440 2nd 553 530 740 549 202 40 3rd 410 0 11 18 2356789 590 510 545 404 690 6 9 0 790 326 0-xxx 99-XXX 1234578 600 1st 219 691 442 590 826 680 718 699 2nd 928 190 769 640 251 695 920 628 6 2 8 1 7 2 272 1st 653 22 hit 11 hit 77-13 3456890 182 272 173 255 72 511 162 313 171 2nd 290 672 224 122 14 11-XXX 0-15 2356789 177 3rd 363 658 6 5 8 758 750 66 55 1234790 668 1st 806 659 526 558 2nd 770 648 416 657 354 158 908 608 397 653 0 783 7 8 3 883 1st 128 88-11 77 33 1245690 793 970 784 900 683 216 773 2nd 4 782 519 283 599 733 3rd 592 788 528 897 8 9 7 997 1st 588 99 88-HIT 77 1234560 807 908 898 2nd 253 797 3rd 139 887 731 896 397 847 892

just now. There are 34 doubles in 136 drawings from 01/01/12 to 03/08/12 only. 34/136=25%. The % is very low but we have to order the tickets by paying about \$20 for each drawing. I think the lost may be over the get very much. However, your method is very interesting!

Best regards.

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Thanks for taking the time to look it over. I see some promise the problem is centering on when to switch the doubles I was, just as I saw this post, looking at the Texas p3 game and the break down is way more dispursed.

Starting at 1/2 709 was the draw midday pairs would be 00 99 Trips 0 came out 1/12 799 (bad play would not have had it) 1/17 and 989 1/20

302 on 1/7 yeids the pairs 33-22 none came in

059 on 1/13 pairs 99 00 55 this time the 799 hits 565 came out on 1/30

1/19 582 creates no doubles midday 358 evening gave me 88-33 no hits

1/25 471 again no pairs 1/26 midday 078 pairs 77 and 88 773 hit on 2/5 and 776 on 2/7

2/1 495 gave me pairs 44 55 99 2/15 552 hit 3/2 484 hit and 199 hit ast some point (dont have the date)

2/7 was double 2/8 470 no doubles 2/8 evening 55 and 44 again 2/15 was the 552

Next play I have is 2/16 310 00-11 600 on 2/24

2/22 097 00 and 99 2/24 006 3/02 (looks like) 199

2/28 215 pairs 22-11 3/5 113 hit

In your example for NY we would have had to hit playing normal odds of \$1 boxed gets \$ 163 would have had to won at least 11 times to keep close to even. From what Im seeing normally there are only 2 sets of doubles sometimes 3 and paired with the 7 numbers 20 per play is a good number to test with.

I was looking more to try to find a path-key to keep it at 7 plays per draw per say 1 set however alot of the sets come in later then 10 draws which is why I was thinking this might be useful to online players who get better odds and better payouts.

Again thanks for taking the time to run a test on another state. :-)

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woaw , so it is so nice to steal other people work . so interesting to read that you don't know where you read it .  worse you don't even understand what you read . too bad .

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Actually Im not stealling others work Im expanding it in a way they had not used it because I saw something else. Now I could have cluttered up their thread with this, which was unrelated to how they were using it but that seemed to be a bad idea and would cause much confusion in their thread.

I may not understand what they were doing and maybe this was not what they were doing (in Fact I dont think they actually gave their system out just said give me such and such numbers I'll give you the numbers). This was something that jumped out at me as I was trying to track what they were doing and I didnt want to again impose a new idea into an existing thread to discuss something totally different then what they were doing.

If it was you doing what I read I will totally give you credit for the start on this. I dont want credit for anything hence why I said this isnt my idea its something I noticed from tracking someone else idea and wanted to get others feedback on how it works in their workouts. If they could find potential for a way to use information to help everyone profit.

So instead of looking through the couple threads that say give me your numbers I said this is not my idea.

If you feel that todd should move this into the thread that the person that I based my findings off of I will ask him however I do not think that would fair to that poster as it would cause major confusion because A) Im not looking at straight hits B) Im looking for only double numbers so C) Im using the information in a different and totally unrelated manner then they were.

Again this was more for discussion on trying to create a system to help everyone and if this is in violation of the forum rules or I have ruffeled someones feathers I will ask Todd to delete it. If this was based of your thead I will gladly give you or anyone that wants credit for it.

In fact I would love it if that person would come in here take credit for the idea and look at what Im talking about because they have a database much deeper then me and can probably back test it in a couple of clicks.

Finally I want to add that I have been reading on these board way back when I first joined up about +1 -1 systems so the theory is hardly new to anyone that has been here for any length of tme.

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woaw , so it is so nice to steal other people work . so interesting to read that you don't know where you read it .  worse you don't even understand what you read . too bad .

newguy sounds upset that people figured out his bogus system that doesn't make a profit.

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Well the 885 came back in Ohio interestingly enough I know alot more work needs to be done but your seeing what im seeing in real time (at least in Ohio) as I was talking about earlier trying to decide if switching on a hit would provide a path to when to switch.

Ive added X's to the columns hoping it says in order this time. I would have been keying on the double O's myself as I have been posting that for the past couple days in the Ohio Pick 3 thread, but the 88 was there.

Hope this comes out right. :-)

 8 9 7 997 1st 588 x 99 88-HIT 77 1234560 807 x 908 x 0 99 88-Hit 1234567 898 2nd 253 x 797 3rd 139 x 887 x 731 x 896 x 971 x 397 x 394 x 847 x 768 x 892 x 885 x
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not that anyone is paying attention to this but 1-4 and 10-15 seems to be the sweet spot. Also I can almost always catch the trip's. Yeah I know you only get 3 or 4 per year but the numbers are there.

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