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Posted: September 18, 2012, 11:24 pm - IP Logged

Hello all,

I'm using my skip/gap table to attempt to come up with a possible "next" game number to play specific numbers in a Pick 3 game. I have a table that keeps the numbers hit in game and number order including the skip/gap numbers.

 

Below is a portion of the table for column 1 or the first drawn number.

P3 DAILY Ball Numbers             0         1         2         3         4         5         6         7         8         9
                                           
Current Game # is...                         1410                                       
Picked in Current draw?                      YES                                       
                                           
Drawn #'s 1st Appearance?     1404    1405    1393    1408    1409    1382    1406    1403    1397    1385
GAP Between Appearances        6         5         17        2         1        28        4         7         13       25
                                           
Drawn #'s 2nd Appearance?    1389    1398    1392    1407    1370    1361    1399    1402    1384    1372
GAP Between Appearances        15       7          1         1        39       21         7        1         13       13
                                           
Drawn #'s 3rd Appearance?     1375    1395    1386    1400    1366    1359    1387    1401    1363    1371
GAP Between Appearances        14       3          6         7         4         2        12        1         21        1
                                           
Drawn #'s 4th Appearance?     1338    1394    1381    1353    1362    1354    1374    1396    1356    1348
GAP Between Appearances        37        1         5        47         4         5        13        5         7        23
                                           
Drawn #'s 5th Appearance?     1325    1391    1379    1347    1349    1339    1357    1388    1335    1346
GAP Between Appearances        13        3         2         6        13        15       17        8         21        2
                                           
Drawn #'s 6th Appearance?     1307    1390    1378    1320    1345    1333    1352    1376    1323    1331
GAP Between Appearances        18        1         1        27         4         6         5        12       12       15
                                           
Drawn #'s 7th Appearance?     1289    1383    1373    1318    1329    1316    1343    1350    1321    1324
GAP Between Appearances        18        7         5         2        16        17         9       26         2        7
                                           
Drawn #'s 8th Appearance?     1281    1380    1369    1311    1315    1312    1337    1344    1285    1317
GAP Between Appearances         8         3         4         7        14        4          6         6        36        7
                                           
Drawn #'s 9th Appearance?     1271    1377    1368    1304    1308    1290    1336    1342    1272    1300
GAP Between Appearances        10        3          1        7         7        22         1        2        13        17
                                           
Drawn #'s 10th Appearance?    1266    1367    1360    1302    1303    1287    1334    1341    1257    1298
GAP Between Appearances         5         10        8         2         5         3         2        1         15        2

What I'm attempting to do is to find the next game number that a specific number may hit again. Is this possible to do based on this table? If so, would someone be able to explain how to do so?

Thanks ahead of time for any assistance.

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    Posted: September 19, 2012, 11:06 am - IP Logged

    What I'm attempting to do is to find the next game number that a specific number may hit again.

    Do you mean a number repeating or hitting within x drawings?

    Can you explain your table?

    How do you want to predict? Based on what?

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      Posted: September 19, 2012, 4:13 pm - IP Logged

      What I'm attempting to do is to find the next game number that a specific number may hit again.

      Do you mean a number repeating or hitting within x drawings?

      Can you explain your table?

      How do you want to predict? Based on what?

      Afternoon SergeM,

      Hitting within x drawings. (next game number hit for that specific number)

      In my example table, if the number hits in the current game, the "Yes" is displayed below the current game number. The remainder of the rows below display the previous game numbers that a specific number hit and how many skips/gaps between the game numbers.

      As for the prediction problem, I've added all of the skip/gap numbers, then divided them, then added that number to the "Drawn #'s 1st Appearance?" number. That didn't work. Since the "1" shows the current draw, here is the number "1" breakdown as it's displayed:

      Add the 10 last "Appearance" numbers = 43

      Divide by 10 = 4.3

      Round the 4.3 to 4 and add it to the 1405 - it becomes 1409. The "1" hit in game 1410.

      I've read other posts about using skips to pinpoint the each numbers next game numbers possible hit, but haven't been able to follow how the math is put together.


      Thanks for taking the time to have a look.

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        Posted: September 19, 2012, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

        Afternoon SergeM,

        Hitting within x drawings. (next game number hit for that specific number)

        In my example table, if the number hits in the current game, the "Yes" is displayed below the current game number. The remainder of the rows below display the previous game numbers that a specific number hit and how many skips/gaps between the game numbers.

        As for the prediction problem, I've added all of the skip/gap numbers, then divided them, then added that number to the "Drawn #'s 1st Appearance?" number. That didn't work. Since the "1" shows the current draw, here is the number "1" breakdown as it's displayed:

        Add the 10 last "Appearance" numbers = 43

        Divide by 10 = 4.3

        Round the 4.3 to 4 and add it to the 1405 - it becomes 1409. The "1" hit in game 1410.

        I've read other posts about using skips to pinpoint the each numbers next game numbers possible hit, but haven't been able to follow how the math is put together.


        Thanks for taking the time to have a look.

        For skip you calculated hit + skipping games. Skip is normally no hit while a hit isn't a skip. It probably is a commoun mistake when you start calculating. When your odd is 1/10 in pick 3 for the first number, the average skip would be 10 to you. It normally is 10-1(hit)=9(skip). 0 = no hit = skip; 1 = hit = no skip; drawings for number X: 00001011; skip4;hit1;skip1;hit1;hit1. Two consecutive hits form a series of 2 hits. You should replace skip by another word which means skip with one hit. There is probability in mathematics. Every number has the same chance. Some people use that probability to determine the average skip that the numbers should have, and they believe that this is true in real life. In reality it is more continuous than the mathematical foto of odds. I think Bernouilli started with the notation for odds being between 0 and 1. Before the mathematicians weren't doing that. The table below contains the numbers, the five last skips and the games out.

         

         

         

        X54321G.O.
        1231939311
        2148231
        31920917
        43710022
        512120210
        613010146
        7431601
        810328101
        913421234
        10271868121
        111806260
        1281223527
        1318410412
        14050295
        15301081
        16580814
        1702115101
        1819104712
        19002170
        20299107
        2180171410
        2241755163
        232172121
        247130493
        250501487
        263115013
        271352224
        281123680
        2910095295
        302102196
        31217102121
        32383160
        33110139137
        34030755
        3500561833
        36400230
        3710650212
        38102172
        3914150002
        40920236
        412214234
        42038263
        43610153
        447101202
        45151014149

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          Posted: September 23, 2012, 3:31 pm - IP Logged

          Hello, knuckel, also you can see the jumps entres pairs between odd and separated
          And low and high = low = high = 0,1,2,3,4 5,6,7,8,9 0,2,4,6,8 pairs = odd = 1,3,5,7,9
          So we have 4 standards, can be seen in each vertical position, so you will hit the standard in pick3, and repetition is very important because the range is short 0-9
          You can view jumps vertically and also horizontally.

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            Hi SergeM,

            Sorry not to have gotten back sooner.

            If you look at my original example table, you'll see that I have the last 10 hits for the specific numbers and the game numbers that the hits occured.

            So if I understand your table correctly in the #1 row, your adding the 23, 19, 3, 9, & 3 together to get 57, then dividing the 57 by 5 to get the 11 in the G.O. column? But that doesn't add up when I add the #2 row numbers together. That row adds up to 18 and divide by 5 would be 3.6 or 4.

            If you have time, what am I missing?

            Thank you.

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              Hello dr san,

              Been real busy and haven't had time to reply until now.

              I've read several of your posts and attempted to follow some of your theories to no avail... In my attempts, I do have a L - M - H column mirroring the drawn numbers instead of the standard L - H column. I believe that this provides better comparisons.

              I've also discovered a pattern that holds true fairly often. If you were to look into the past draws and look at the same drawn number, if the previously drawn number is lower, than the next drawn number generally follows the same down pattern. If the number is higher, than the next drawn number is also higher. Not always, but generally...

              I haven't been able to pin point a mathematical formula to come up with a workable number related to the skip/gap problem to be able to suggest a future game where the specific number may hit. This is the problem I'm working on now.

              Any suggestions would be welcomed.

              Thank you for the reply.

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                Hi SergeM,

                Sorry not to have gotten back sooner.

                If you look at my original example table, you'll see that I have the last 10 hits for the specific numbers and the game numbers that the hits occured.

                So if I understand your table correctly in the #1 row, your adding the 23, 19, 3, 9, & 3 together to get 57, then dividing the 57 by 5 to get the 11 in the G.O. column? But that doesn't add up when I add the #2 row numbers together. That row adds up to 18 and divide by 5 would be 3.6 or 4.

                If you have time, what am I missing?

                Thank you.

                X54321G.O.
                1231939311
                2148231
                31920917
                43710022
                512120210
                613010146
                7431601
                810328101

                 

                I didn't involve any calculation, this is just skips to hit and games out. Nothing more. Anything else that you see is your imagination.

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                  Hello all,

                  I'm using my skip/gap table to attempt to come up with a possible "next" game number to play specific numbers in a Pick 3 game. I have a table that keeps the numbers hit in game and number order including the skip/gap numbers.

                   

                  Below is a portion of the table for column 1 or the first drawn number.

                  P3 DAILY Ball Numbers             0         1         2         3         4         5         6         7         8         9
                                                             
                  Current Game # is...                         1410                                       
                  Picked in Current draw?                      YES                                       
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 1st Appearance?     1404    1405    1393    1408    1409    1382    1406    1403    1397    1385
                  GAP Between Appearances        6         5         17        2         1        28        4         7         13       25
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 2nd Appearance?    1389    1398    1392    1407    1370    1361    1399    1402    1384    1372
                  GAP Between Appearances        15       7          1         1        39       21         7        1         13       13
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 3rd Appearance?     1375    1395    1386    1400    1366    1359    1387    1401    1363    1371
                  GAP Between Appearances        14       3          6         7         4         2        12        1         21        1
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 4th Appearance?     1338    1394    1381    1353    1362    1354    1374    1396    1356    1348
                  GAP Between Appearances        37        1         5        47         4         5        13        5         7        23
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 5th Appearance?     1325    1391    1379    1347    1349    1339    1357    1388    1335    1346
                  GAP Between Appearances        13        3         2         6        13        15       17        8         21        2
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 6th Appearance?     1307    1390    1378    1320    1345    1333    1352    1376    1323    1331
                  GAP Between Appearances        18        1         1        27         4         6         5        12       12       15
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 7th Appearance?     1289    1383    1373    1318    1329    1316    1343    1350    1321    1324
                  GAP Between Appearances        18        7         5         2        16        17         9       26         2        7
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 8th Appearance?     1281    1380    1369    1311    1315    1312    1337    1344    1285    1317
                  GAP Between Appearances         8         3         4         7        14        4          6         6        36        7
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 9th Appearance?     1271    1377    1368    1304    1308    1290    1336    1342    1272    1300
                  GAP Between Appearances        10        3          1        7         7        22         1        2        13        17
                                                             
                  Drawn #'s 10th Appearance?    1266    1367    1360    1302    1303    1287    1334    1341    1257    1298
                  GAP Between Appearances         5         10        8         2         5         3         2        1         15        2

                  What I'm attempting to do is to find the next game number that a specific number may hit again. Is this possible to do based on this table? If so, would someone be able to explain how to do so?

                  Thanks ahead of time for any assistance.

                  What I'm attempting to do is to find the next game number that a specific number may hit again. Is this possible to do based on this table? If so, would someone be able to explain how to do so?

                  Your table is a kind of a skip chart. They sell programs on internet that can produce such tables. They don't give any specifications on how to use them. It is not possible to predict the next game number with this.

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                    Hello dr san,

                    Been real busy and haven't had time to reply until now.

                    I've read several of your posts and attempted to follow some of your theories to no avail... In my attempts, I do have a L - M - H column mirroring the drawn numbers instead of the standard L - H column. I believe that this provides better comparisons.

                    I've also discovered a pattern that holds true fairly often. If you were to look into the past draws and look at the same drawn number, if the previously drawn number is lower, than the next drawn number generally follows the same down pattern. If the number is higher, than the next drawn number is also higher. Not always, but generally...

                    I haven't been able to pin point a mathematical formula to come up with a workable number related to the skip/gap problem to be able to suggest a future game where the specific number may hit. This is the problem I'm working on now.

                    Any suggestions would be welcomed.

                    Thank you for the reply.

                    Test your program by posting your predictions. Pick one state for your pick 3 games. Don't play any other states.

                    You won't loose any real money here as you don't have to pay for your predictions. You get the statistics by LP.

                    It is 1/1000 for 499. The rules of the game are that you have to win more then you spent.

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                      Morning SergeM,

                      My predictions are in my files, unfortunately, no where near good enough to post results since my prediction calculations don't work very well at all. I'm still working on refinements. I tend to look for new or different ideas/theories to pursue.

                      Thank you very much for your replies, they have me thinking about different directions which is what this site is all about. Rest assured, if/when my calculations start to provide acceptable results, I'll post them.

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