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karinda's avatar - WINGS
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Posted: January 30, 2013, 7:05 pm - IP Logged

Karlinda,

  I'm glad you approached this subject. I've often wondered about test draws, especially  pre recorded computerized draws. The one lottery I questioned is a computerized draw and  pre recorded to air on draw night. I've often wondered how many pre recorded test draws get approved by the auditor. I'd read where there are 4 draws done, but what I really want to know is how many of the recordings get approved. I'd written the lottery a couple of times asking this, and no one has ever responded. I've not called because I guess I'd like to see the answer in black and white. This is where not only computerized draws, but pre recorded draws open up a huge area for deception. I've even questioned if more than one recording is ok'd by the auditor, how easy it would be to change to another video if the lottery machines detect winners when they don't want to pay out...

Thanks CinCin.  We don't have computerized draws in NJ. I guess what I don't understand is

why even have them? If the system works 3 times in a row, there's no guarantee the "actual"

drawing, whatever that is will work.

    karinda's avatar - WINGS
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    Posted: January 30, 2013, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

    I'm not sure how exactly they do pre-tests, but I think I have answers to some of your questions, or at least it might make things slightly clearer.

     

    There's no way they can know whether it really was random or not 100% of the time. In fact, it could be that the balls that they end up using were 

    actually rigged, but somehow "randomly" came up "random" during the pre-tests.

     

    But, if you have any knowledge of calculus, I suggest you search up something call "confidence intervals", the "central limit theorem" and standard deviation.

     

    They will help you to answer some of your concerns.

    Thanks yoho and all who responded to the question.

    I was unaware that pre-draws were even conducted to the extent that they are.

    This was already mentioned, but when I did a search for pre-draw

    results information, Texas was the only state I found that makes

    the information available to the public. I'm not sure whether they use a computerized

    system, or the good-ole-air-ball system. ;-) 

     

    It does put a different light on the drawings

    though, in my opinion; in that whatever system one uses to determine their numbers,

    it may be helpful to take into account somehow that there may have been subsequent

    drawings before the live drawing.  Now I'm curious to know how many pre-draws are

    done, and if it's a consistent number, or varies from drawing to drawing, game by game.

     

    Thanks again everyone, and good luck with your picks!!! Thumbs Up

      karinda's avatar - WINGS
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      Posted: January 30, 2013, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

      Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?

      Also, why do so many states not want anyone to know the pre-draw results? My guess is they don't want system / pattern players to figure anything out. But then they could just use unmarked balls, right?

      The one point they kept making in the video was maintaining the integrity of the game, so when they see a number come up several times in the pre-draws they have to decide is there something wrong with the ball or is it just random. As they said  they pull the ballset to avoid suspission. But isn't that suspicious? It seems as if they're trying to change the randomness of the pre-draw results.

      I would think the best way would be to do one or two pre-tests with unmarked balls to check the machine, then just go live from there. After that what happens, happens.

      BTW, as hot as the 88's were on the evening, the 0 and 7 were cold on the midday. Jan. 26, 0 and 7 both hit. The 0 had 18 misses, the 7 had 20 misses. Neither has hit since.

      Do I really think the lotteries are rigged, no. But when you see a few highly unusual things happening all at once, well... it makes you wonder.

      All good questions. I wish I knew the answers to some of them.

      I think the pre-test with unmarked balls is a great idea, if they are only

      checking for equipment malfunctions, but it appears that there's more

      to it than that.  I'm grateful to the friend here who brought this to my

      attention because it sure puts a different light on the way I see the

      numbers. Type

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        Posted: January 30, 2013, 8:37 pm - IP Logged

        Texas uses the balls for everything. If you click on results in the blue bar on top, then do the drop down to state lottery report card, it tells you what every game is in every state whether it's ball or rng.

        "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

        The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

        Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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          Posted: February 1, 2013, 10:06 am - IP Logged

          Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?

          Also, why do so many states not want anyone to know the pre-draw results? My guess is they don't want system / pattern players to figure anything out. But then they could just use unmarked balls, right?

          The one point they kept making in the video was maintaining the integrity of the game, so when they see a number come up several times in the pre-draws they have to decide is there something wrong with the ball or is it just random. As they said  they pull the ballset to avoid suspission. But isn't that suspicious? It seems as if they're trying to change the randomness of the pre-draw results.

          I would think the best way would be to do one or two pre-tests with unmarked balls to check the machine, then just go live from there. After that what happens, happens.

          BTW, as hot as the 88's were on the evening, the 0 and 7 were cold on the midday. Jan. 26, 0 and 7 both hit. The 0 had 18 misses, the 7 had 20 misses. Neither has hit since.

          Do I really think the lotteries are rigged, no. But when you see a few highly unusual things happening all at once, well... it makes you wonder.

          "Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?"

          I thought the answer to that one was rather well known.  They're testing both the machines and the balls for bias.  If they were simply checking the machine for functionality, one or two would be sufficient, but the tests are more thorough than that.

          "Also, why do so many states not want anyone to know the pre-draw results? My guess is they don't want system / pattern players to figure anything out. But then they could just use unmarked balls, right?"

          "I would think the best way would be to do one or two pre-tests with unmarked balls to check the machine, then just go live from there. After that what happens, happens."

          Remember, though, they're not just checking the machines, they're checking the balls as well.  It doesn't make sense to test with unmarked balls that have no use in a live drawing.

          And there's really no need to publicize the pre-draw tests.  I have no problem with making them available via FOIA requests or the like, but putting the test results out there as if they're on par with the live drawings is more trouble than it's worth.  You'll have some people getting confused between the tests and the genuine article, and you're bound to have players angry that their numbers came up during the tests so they didn't win anything.

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            "Question. With all the security that's involved in the process, why do they need so many pre-draws? I could understand one or two just to make sure the machine is operable, the air comes on, they come up the chute etc. But why five or six?"

            I thought the answer to that one was rather well known.  They're testing both the machines and the balls for bias.  If they were simply checking the machine for functionality, one or two would be sufficient, but the tests are more thorough than that.

            "Also, why do so many states not want anyone to know the pre-draw results? My guess is they don't want system / pattern players to figure anything out. But then they could just use unmarked balls, right?"

            "I would think the best way would be to do one or two pre-tests with unmarked balls to check the machine, then just go live from there. After that what happens, happens."

            Remember, though, they're not just checking the machines, they're checking the balls as well.  It doesn't make sense to test with unmarked balls that have no use in a live drawing.

            And there's really no need to publicize the pre-draw tests.  I have no problem with making them available via FOIA requests or the like, but putting the test results out there as if they're on par with the live drawings is more trouble than it's worth.  You'll have some people getting confused between the tests and the genuine article, and you're bound to have players angry that their numbers came up during the tests so they didn't win anything.

            I Agree! If the balls were bias in any way, players could use that bias to get BETTER ODDS.


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              Posted: February 1, 2013, 10:34 am - IP Logged

              But how do they test the test to prove that the balls are not acting in a bias way?