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ogivens15

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Jun 14, 2013, 4:57 pm

Should a lottery be able to cut off play on a pick3/4 number. The number came in Maryland 1111 and it was cut off as of yesterday.
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Jun 14, 2013, 4:59 pm

Wow, I feel sorry if there was any people who played those numbers every time to have them cut off and then to finally hit.

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Jun 14, 2013, 7:05 pm

Most, if not all, state lotteries have a certain amount that they will pay out on Pick 3 or Pick 4 and once a number is played enough to hit that amout - should it come in - the number gets closed out.

A few of them are 911 on Sep 11, 476 and 1776 on July 4th sometimes, and when certain events happen that involve something with a number. Sometimes it's scores of sporting events, championship games.

Attempts to pay such numbers should be made early in the day.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jun 14, 2013, 7:37 pm

Good to know that they cut you off from buying more tickets. I knew they had a stop loss amount, but I figured they'd go ahead and sell the tickets, then para-mutuel the prize so each ticket would be worth less. That would be even less fair, letting you potentially spend hundreds of dollars on tickets only to find you weren't winning any extra on the extra money you spent.
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Jun 14, 2013, 7:53 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 14, 2013
Most, if not all, state lotteries have a certain amount that they will pay out on Pick 3 or Pick 4 and once a number is played enough to hit that amout - should it come in - the number gets closed out.

A few of them are 911 on Sep 11, 476 and 1776 on July 4th sometimes, and when certain events happen that involve something with a number. Sometimes it's scores of sporting events, championship games.

Attempts to pay such numbers should be made early in the day.

Not all. CA is pari-mutuel for all games. No limiting of sales/numbers is needed because prize liability is dealt with by reduced pari-mutuel prize amounts on highly played numbers. NJ also has pari-mutuel pick 3/4.
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Jun 14, 2013, 8:06 pm

In Ga, the payout limit on each of these... Cash 3, Cash 4, Georgia 5, is 10 Million Dollars...

Congrats To All Winners and Posters!

We are all in it to win! My Pet numbers 103,724,152,397,189,118,205,717.

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Hot-Due-Cold. Short Sums/Last Digit Sum. Pairs. Vtracs. Vtrac Pairs. SUM OF VTRACS CHART.

Don't forget to FLIP 6/9 in all WORKOUTS! 66=99=69
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Jun 14, 2013, 8:22 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ogivens15 on Jun 14, 2013
Should a lottery be able to cut off play on a pick3/4 number. The number came in Maryland 1111 and it was cut off as of yesterday.

Is it stated in your game rules anywhere that they do this, on the website or playslip? If not, that's kinda not cool. Or it might be buried in the lottery regulations somewhere.

Here's an example: (link to lottery regulations at bottom of post)

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/262005/3098470
garyo1954

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Jun 14, 2013, 9:35 pm

A cut-off on betting certain combinations is nothing new. Pennsylvania started liability limits in 1989. On the Missouri Lottery page, they spell out the liability limits at the bottom.

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Jun 14, 2013, 9:56 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 14, 2013
A cut-off on betting certain combinations is nothing new. Pennsylvania started liability limits in 1989. On the Missouri Lottery page, they spell out the liability limits at the bottom.

Part of the issue is proper disclosure. How about your state Texas, is there a sales/number limitation and is it published anywhere?

Pari-mutuel is nothing new also, and it deals with the problem on the back-end, only when the need arises. In effect, benefitting the many at the expense of the few. And ironically, it results in higher average prize values per draw.

Sales/number limits deals with it on the front end, regardless of whether the protection is need or not.(if the number hits or not)
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Jun 14, 2013, 10:23 pm

All I've seen in Texas are rumors it happens. I've never been denied buying any combinations I wanted. There is talk that IF they bring back the All or Nothing game, they will have strict limits on the number of tickets per combination, possibly lowering the jackpot as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if there are limits, that has gotten pretty standard for set payout Pick 3 and Pick 4 games.

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Jun 14, 2013, 11:15 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ogivens15 on Jun 14, 2013
Should a lottery be able to cut off play on a pick3/4 number. The number came in Maryland 1111 and it was cut off as of yesterday.
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Jun 15, 2013, 1:46 am

Quote: Originally posted by ogivens15 on Jun 14, 2013
Should a lottery be able to cut off play on a pick3/4 number. The number came in Maryland 1111 and it was cut off as of yesterday.

Absolutely not!!! There has been 21 quads in 16,646 draws in Md. Pretty small percentage. 0.126% to be exact. What are

they worried about? IMO, whenever they cutoff a # they are denying people a chance to win.

List Pick 3 singles by low sums, high sums. Separate each sum row by consecutive pair and non consecutive pair combos. These 3 pair groups. 14 17 47, 25 28 58, 36 39 69 are in 63 combos. 54 combos do not have them. Which sums do the 3 pair groups appear and not appear? Look at root sum groups 147, 258, 369. Play accordingly.
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Jun 15, 2013, 8:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by Sherita on Jun 14, 2013
In Ga, the payout limit on each of these... Cash 3, Cash 4, Georgia 5, is 10 Million Dollars...

A 10 million dollar limit on any combo would mean that combo could be sold 40,000 times for a single draw.

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Jun 15, 2013, 12:12 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 15, 2013
A 10 million dollar limit on any combo would mean that combo could be sold 40,000 times for a single draw.

Payout limit and Play limits are not the same.

Cash 3, 20,000, $1 str plays (play limit) would pay out $10 million (Payout limit)

$500 x 20,000= $10,000,000

Cash 4, 2000, $1 str plays (play limit) would pay out $10 million

(Payout limit)

$5000 x 2000= $10,000,000

Ga 5, 1000, $1 str plays( play limit) would payout $10 million

(Payout limit)

$10,000 x 1000= $10,000,000

Congrats To All Winners and Posters!

We are all in it to win! My Pet numbers 103,724,152,397,189,118,205,717.

Ga Lottery Player!

Hot-Due-Cold. Short Sums/Last Digit Sum. Pairs. Vtracs. Vtrac Pairs. SUM OF VTRACS CHART.

Don't forget to FLIP 6/9 in all WORKOUTS! 66=99=69
ogivens15

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Jun 15, 2013, 3:16 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Jun 14, 2013
A cut-off on betting certain combinations is nothing new. Pennsylvania started liability limits in 1989. On the Missouri Lottery page, they spell out the liability limits at the bottom.

The issue is you can play a number for years and 1 day you go to play that same number you are told it is cutoff and comes out.In this case everyone should know the limit and be able to be kept abreast of the amount being bet on each number daily.

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