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destinycreation

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Jul 29, 2013, 6:55 pm

Has anyone purchased and used Steve Player's Money Maps Pick 3/4 Lottery systems, which SP considers to be the company's very best Pick 3/4 systems that they offer ?

If so, how does the system work ?
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Jul 30, 2013, 8:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jul 29, 2013
Has anyone purchased and used Steve Player's Money Maps Pick 3/4 Lottery systems, which SP considers to be the company's very best Pick 3/4 systems that they offer ?

If so, how does the system work ?

While I have not purchased nor used the Money Maps systems, I do know all Pick-3/4 systems work one of two ways.

Static system: If this, do that. Plays at house odds. If you get lucky and it wins early it will seem like a good system. Returns 50 cents on the dollar over time.

Dynamic system: At some point you will have to make a decision. The decision you make will determine whether you win or lose. There will be nothing valid to base the decision on.

Example: Take the 220 boxed numbers, break them into four groups of 55. Pick one to play for a 1 in 4 chance to win. Problem is, you can pick wrong every time.

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Jul 30, 2013, 12:36 pm

Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jul 29, 2013
Has anyone purchased and used Steve Player's Money Maps Pick 3/4 Lottery systems, which SP considers to be the company's very best Pick 3/4 systems that they offer ?

If so, how does the system work ?

I'm surprise Steve is still finding players to buy his stuff. I guess most players haven't been around as long as me and new ones are cropping up every day so his old tired lines of crap is finding a new audience to buy his stuff..

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Jul 30, 2013, 12:51 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Jul 30, 2013
I'm surprise Steve is still finding players to buy his stuff. I guess most players haven't been around as long as me and new ones are cropping up every day so his old tired lines of crap is finding a new audience to buy his stuff..

A fool and his money is soon PARTED ! Buying Steve Players , Ace Lee and Robert Walsh is just Garbage . Those type of system sellers don't stand behimd their own Product .

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Jul 30, 2013, 5:21 pm

i don't understand how anyone can say if someones programs/systems works or not works if you never bought them and if you did buy them then i guess you never did them right

no one should go on hear say the only way to know what works for you is to try them out for your own self.
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Jul 30, 2013, 6:32 pm

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Jul 30, 2013
i don't understand how anyone can say if someones programs/systems works or not works if you never bought them and if you did buy them then i guess you never did them right

no one should go on hear say the only way to know what works for you is to try them out for your own self.

Let me try and be clear on this. Steve Player's systems do exactly what he says they will do. Not what's implied or inferred or what the little jackasses that live in our heads tell us he's saying. Go over the ad copy with a highlighter and mark what are statements of fact. The rest is smoke and mirrors and what's been left out.

As I said in the post above, these systems call upon us to make a decision that determines whether we win or lose. The possible winning numbers have been pushed into their respective piles by the system and we must pick the one that will contain the winning number or we lose. In a really good system, we may not even realize we've made that decision, but it's in there just the same.

When you say, "i guess you never did them right" that would be making the right pick, trouble is there is never any concrete advice as to making that pick from among the choices. At best there is some fluffy words about tracking and skips and such and often nothing at all for advice. At best this makes the decision you must make a guess, if you win a lucky guess.

Not saying systems can't or won't win, they do. What they don't do is play at a profit over time against a 50% house edge unless you can guess right more often then not (break even) or twice as often then not to make a small profit using the system.

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Jul 30, 2013, 7:11 pm

Excellent points in both posts above, BobP.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jul 30, 2013, 7:19 pm

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Jul 30, 2013
i don't understand how anyone can say if someones programs/systems works or not works if you never bought them and if you did buy them then i guess you never did them right

no one should go on hear say the only way to know what works for you is to try them out for your own self.

I agree, with the exception of Robert Walsh. He never answered my emails when I had questions, even though he did say he would.

To me it's overwhelmingly obvious that Peter St. Pierre is winning from a Steve Player system. It's vital to sift through the hype and find the gold hidden, perhaps tweak it If you have some insight and experience to make it work relatively consistently.

Granted most system sellers are con artists. But that should never ever be the first filter in the elimination process. The first step is to test the system, then make an opinion, despite their reputation. In Walsh's case, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, even with his 20 strategies, but his customer service sucks which is why I never went back.
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Jul 31, 2013, 2:52 pm

Quote: Originally posted by onlymoney on Jul 30, 2013
I agree, with the exception of Robert Walsh. He never answered my emails when I had questions, even though he did say he would.

To me it's overwhelmingly obvious that Peter St. Pierre is winning from a Steve Player system. It's vital to sift through the hype and find the gold hidden, perhaps tweak it If you have some insight and experience to make it work relatively consistently.

Granted most system sellers are con artists. But that should never ever be the first filter in the elimination process. The first step is to test the system, then make an opinion, despite their reputation. In Walsh's case, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, even with his 20 strategies, but his customer service sucks which is why I never went back.
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Aug 1, 2013, 7:14 pm

Wow, look at Steve Players website!!

Look at ALL THOSE SYSTEMS!!

He has over 40 systems just for the Pick4 game alone.

That's too much!
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Quote: Originally posted by Nikkicute on Aug 1, 2013
Wow, look at Steve Players website!!

Look at ALL THOSE SYSTEMS!!

He has over 40 systems just for the Pick4 game alone.

That's too much!

His Facebook page has a lot likes/fans.

Hope his system works for some of them.

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Aug 30, 2013, 9:08 am

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Jul 30, 2013
i don't understand how anyone can say if someones programs/systems works or not works if you never bought them and if you did buy them then i guess you never did them right

no one should go on hear say the only way to know what works for you is to try them out for your own self.

The fact that lottery games seldom shut down because a system is beating them is why they can and do say such things and most times they are right. People tell players all the time they aren't going to win the jackpot without any idea of what or how they are playing and they are right 99%+ of the time. It's the nature of the lottery games, they're almost impossible to beat consistently.

Sure there are those occasional games that can be beaten with a system but most players don't have the time or money to do it. When such schemes become public it's usually not long before the game is shut down as was "Wind Fall" in Massachusetts and that game in Texas recently.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Aug 30, 2013, 9:16 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Aug 30, 2013
The fact that lottery games seldom shut down because a system is beating them is why they can and do say such things and most times they are right. People tell players all the time they aren't going to win the jackpot without any idea of what or how they are playing and they are right 99%+ of the time. It's the nature of the lottery games, they're almost impossible to beat consistently.

Sure there are those occasional games that can be beaten with a system but most players don't have the time or money to do it. When such schemes become public it's usually not long before the game is shut down as was "Wind Fall" in Massachusetts and that game in Texas recently.

Neat keep the thread alive Steve Player rocks
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Aug 30, 2013, 11:20 am

If anyone cares to, do a search here on LP for Steve Player and look for a post about a response from the NH lottery Re: Steve Player.

Someone here put a post up aboput SP and the NH lottery said he loses a lot more than he wins.

I say he because some people think there is no Steve Player, it's a name used by a lottery 'think thank' of sorts.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Aug 30, 2013, 11:35 am

Just from this statement alone I think Mr. Player is full of <snip>.

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