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# Instruction Time with Blackapple 7/30-8/2

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Should you find a pattern

Digits out 5 draws.. 0 or 1

with Short sum longest out... 0 or 1

know that its potent.

Single Vtracs 1-2

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BA,

I've created an Excel program that calculates longest out digits by position and all positions.  Also calculate the longest out Sums, Root Sums, and Short Sums.

Sums = 9-9-9 = 27

Root Sums = 9-9-9 = 27 Root Sum = 9

Short Sums = 9-9-9 = 27 Short Sum = 7

I did this using the Delaware example in this thread but I'm stumped on how you arrive at your Pick 3 selections.  It would seem you are using the longest out 3 digits from "all" positions and from these digits you filter using the longest out sums.

Can you post your calculations on this thread or send me a PM if possible?

Thanks

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Admire your programing skills...being ole skool I do most calculations by hand(choice)

Correct on your assessment.Here 's how I showed in the past.

Mon, Jul 29, 2013 Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5-8-8 9-2-5 9-2-0 5-8-4 7-7-8 0-9-6 2-2-3 7-4-3 1-1-0

Short sums

925=6

588=1

920=1

778=2

584=7

223=7

096=5

110=2

Do you see now?

The repeats in light grey are short sum not needed

So I will do every draw backwards,omitting the repeats now

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BA,

I've created an Excel program that calculates longest out digits by position and all positions.  Also calculate the longest out Sums, Root Sums, and Short Sums.

Sums = 9-9-9 = 27

Root Sums = 9-9-9 = 27 Root Sum = 9

Short Sums = 9-9-9 = 27 Short Sum = 7

I did this using the Delaware example in this thread but I'm stumped on how you arrive at your Pick 3 selections.  It would seem you are using the longest out 3 digits from "all" positions and from these digits you filter using the longest out sums.

Can you post your calculations on this thread or send me a PM if possible?

Thanks

I dont think it has much to do with longest out Sums. When I put Black Apple's numbers in my visual Pick 3 wheel I found that all the numbers were single vtracs (1-2) with the pairs 01 06 51 56. The timing is what I do not understand.

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Short sums

925=6

588=1

778=2

584=7

096=5

743=4

630=9

260=8

111=3

532=0

As you know Digits 1-6-3 are out

thus can be used as key digits..example

Needed Short sum 8...170

Needed Short sum 3...012

Mon, Jul 29, 2013 Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5-8-8 9-2-5 9-2-0 5-8-4 7-7-8

Root sums and sums... one approach

Pretty much every thing you can

ascribe a short sum to will work(front pairs,back pairs,,etc)

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For IL I can clearly see that short sums 7,2,0 are the longest out. Now what?

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Mon, Jul 29, 2013 Sun, Jul 28, 2013 5-8-8 9-2-5 9-2-0 5-8-4 7-7-8

Delaware Lottery

Why must one of these hit?

569 145 046 019
256 157 067 012
356 158 068 013
456 159 069 014
567 125 026 017
568 135 036 018

BA,

My calculations are using the Delaware combined draws.

I'm using your selections and it seems your selecting this group also because each set contains either a 1, 6, or 3

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I like those short sums 7,2,0..the condition I favor

Short sum vtrac 3 due

The wait time unclear...I would not tackle it

because..hint: Its how you start that counts

Root sums and sums... one approach
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and it seems your selecting this group also because each set contains either a 1, 6, or 3

Thats right..And if thats not good enough use the short sum digits 0-8-3

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Jordan, winsumloosesum..and other seekers

Vtracs does the work

You want your first four draws cover only two vtracs

It has to be two vtracs...In this case Vtracs 2 & 3 covered

which means vtrac 1,4 & 5 are up for grabs..post traps.

Since Short sum 3-8..aka vtrac 4  longest out,condition

are more favorable for it.

Short sums

925=6

588=1

778=2

584=7

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I think I understand how you arrived at the 1, 6, 3 from the screen shot below.

Since these were the longest out skips for all 3 positions 1, 2, and 3

The last draw for Delaware was on July 29, 2013.  Based on your 1st post I think this is your last drawing also that you used to calculate your upcoming selections.

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I like those short sums 7,2,0..the condition I favor

Short sum vtrac 3 due

The wait time unclear...I would not tackle it

because..hint: Its how you start that counts

Root sums and sums... one approach

I do not understand...Do I wait for one of the short sums to come before I go ahead?

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So your taking the past "short sums" 0 through 9 and converting to VTRAC's?

I added this to my spreadsheet and wanted to see if this is correct.

Below I highlighted the "short sums" starting with the last Delaware drawing on July 29 going backwards in time.  I also highlighted the "short sum VTRAC" column.  The small chart to the right I placed arrows to the longest out VTRAC's for the short sums which are 4, 5, and 1.  4 not appearing in 11 draws which is really Short Sums 3 & 8 and VTRAC 5 which is Short Sums 4 & 9 which is out 9 draws.

Hope I got this correct.  The VTRAC 2 & 3 has repeated a few times in the last 6 to 8 drawings.

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Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2-3-6   Short sum 1 9-0-7   Short sum 6 6-7-5   Short sum 8 7-3-6   Short sum 6

Same premise here

The recent four short sum has the

needed only two vtracs ..short sum 1&6=Vtrac 2

short sum 8=Vtrac 4

Which means the other short sums/vtracs

are begging appearance especially longest out ones.

A whole vtrac short sum 1-6,3-8,2-7 etc

is ideal and what I look for.

*********************************

Nightstaiker Pa. evening 8/1-8/7

Vtrac 3 longest out=Short sum 2 & 7

Notice how I used the short sum digits as key digits

025 034 124 179 269 278 458 467
048 057 129 147 237 246 345 679

Using a running series (the reappearances of digits) or if three digits are out use them as key digits.

I like combined scenarios ..single draw takes longer but cheaper if you know when to play

I give it 7  or 8 draws...

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Wed, Jul 31, 2013 2-3-6   Short sum 1 9-0-7   Short sum 6 6-7-5   Short sum 8 7-3-6   Short sum 6

Same premise here

The recent four short sum has the

needed only two vtracs ..short sum 1&6=Vtrac 2

short sum 8=Vtrac 4

Which means the other short sums/vtracs

are begging appearance especially longest out ones.

A whole vtrac short sum 1-6,3-8,2-7 etc

is ideal and what I look for.

*********************************

Nightstaiker Pa. evening 8/1-8/7

Vtrac 3 longest out=Short sum 2 & 7

Notice how I used the short sum digits as key digits

025 034 124 179 269 278 458 467
048 057 129 147 237 246 345 679

Using a running series (the reappearances of digits) or if three digits are out use them as key digits.

I like combined scenarios ..single draw takes longer but cheaper if you know when to play

I give it 7  or 8 draws...

I get it Now. Thanks Blackapple

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