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Pick 4, What will I see there if anything and What will I tell? A first Look.

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Posted: November 14, 2013, 12:44 am - IP Logged

First, I don't have much time right now, so I might maybe make this last a little longer than just right now.

It can be taken as it being the very first look at the pick 4 game even if it isn't, because in a way it is.

The Cali game might be just as good or as bad as any other.

Since I might be reusing these draws over, I might as well first post them here "clean" kind of for "safekeeping".

California (CA) Daily 4

Wed, Nov 13, 2013    7-1-5-5
Tue, Nov 12, 2013    0-6-3-6
Mon, Nov 11, 2013    4-2-0-0
Sun, Nov 10, 2013    4-2-5-8
Sat, Nov 09, 2013    8-4-2-3
Fri, Nov 08, 2013    6-9-5-8
Thu, Nov 07, 2013    5-9-4-8
Wed, Nov 06, 2013    6-3-3-1
Tue, Nov 05, 2013    5-0-8-9
Mon, Nov 04, 2013    2-7-1-8
Sun, Nov 03, 2013    6-4-9-0
Sat, Nov 02, 2013    6-8-1-7
Fri, Nov 01, 2013    6-8-6-2
Thu, Oct 31, 2013    9-3-3-9
Wed, Oct 30, 2013    0-0-9-0
Tue, Oct 29, 2013    2-9-9-4
Mon, Oct 28, 2013    0-1-4-1
Sun, Oct 27, 2013    5-8-2-5
Sat, Oct 26, 2013    6-5-7-8
Fri, Oct 25, 2013    4-4-2-2
Thu, Oct 24, 2013    0-2-4-7
Wed, Oct 23, 2013    2-3-6-0
Tue, Oct 22, 2013    2-3-0-7
Mon, Oct 21, 2013    9-4-2-4
Sun, Oct 20, 2013    8-4-1-8
Sat, Oct 19, 2013    4-8-8-4
Fri, Oct 18, 2013    8-4-3-4
Thu, Oct 17, 2013    9-7-1-8
Wed, Oct 16, 2013    0-2-8-6
Tue, Oct 15, 2013    9-8-8-7
Mon, Oct 14, 2013    1-9-6-6
Sun, Oct 13, 2013    5-4-4-1
Sat, Oct 12, 2013    0-2-0-3
Fri, Oct 11, 2013    2-8-8-7
Thu, Oct 10, 2013    0-1-0-6
Wed, Oct 09, 2013    8-7-7-1
Tue, Oct 08, 2013    1-2-5-1
Mon, Oct 07, 2013    6-3-1-4
Sun, Oct 06, 2013    5-5-4-1
Sat, Oct 05, 2013    8-1-4-7


In the very first very quick look, it does appear as if 2 kinds of pick 4 numbers are the ones that seem to come out the most often.

I know that in at least another thread I already said this:

The pick 4 singles and the doubles seem to come out the most times.

But Which of the those 2 comes out the most?, that might be for later when I have more time.


In another thread we took a look at pick 4 permutations, the singles I think have 24 perms and the doubles have 12.

That is 24 ways and 12 ways numbers.


I am not sure, but maybe some people would target the singles or the doubles or both over other kinds of pick 4 numbers such as doubles-doubles triples and quads.


Pick 3 filters can also be used for the pick 4 game either in the same way or in a similar way.


Time is up for tonight, there might be more free time tomorrow eve.

Later I will try to take a good look at the game little by little as there is little free time every keekday at night, but more free time on the weekend.


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    Posted: November 14, 2013, 12:49 am - IP Logged

    I thought I was posting on the "Lottery Systems" forum I made a mistake, but what is done is done.

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      Posted: November 15, 2013, 1:01 am - IP Logged

      The singles are:

      Straight 5040

      Box 210

      The doubles are:

      Straight 4320

      Box 360


      So one of them should come out almost as often as the other.



      The straight Low-High has 16 patterns to it.

      The box on the Lotsoft wheeler has 5 patterns to it:

      All Low
      All High
      2 Low - 2 High
      Mostly Low
      Mostly High

      California (CA) Daily 4

      Wed, Nov 13, 2013    7-1-5-5 HLHH
      Tue, Nov 12, 2013    0-6-3-6 LHLH
      Mon, Nov 11, 2013    4-2-0-0 LLLL
      Sun, Nov 10, 2013    4-2-5-8 LLHH
      Sat, Nov 09, 2013    8-4-2-3 HLLL
      Fri, Nov 08, 2013    6-9-5-8 HHHH
      Thu, Nov 07, 2013    5-9-4-8 HHLH
      Wed, Nov 06, 2013    6-3-3-1 HLLL
      Tue, Nov 05, 2013    5-0-8-9 HLHH
      Mon, Nov 04, 2013    2-7-1-8 LHLH
      Sun, Nov 03, 2013    6-4-9-0 HLHL
      Sat, Nov 02, 2013    6-8-1-7 HHLH
      Fri, Nov 01, 2013    6-8-6-2 HHHL
      Thu, Oct 31, 2013    9-3-3-9 HLLH
      Wed, Oct 30, 2013    0-0-9-0 LLHL
      Tue, Oct 29, 2013    2-9-9-4 LHHL
      Mon, Oct 28, 2013    0-1-4-1 LLLL
      Sun, Oct 27, 2013    5-8-2-5 HHLH
      Sat, Oct 26, 2013    6-5-7-8 HHHH
      Fri, Oct 25, 2013    4-4-2-2 LLLL
      Thu, Oct 24, 2013    0-2-4-7 LLLH
      Wed, Oct 23, 2013    2-3-6-0 LLHL
      Tue, Oct 22, 2013    2-3-0-7 LLLH
      Mon, Oct 21, 2013    9-4-2-4 HLLL
      Sun, Oct 20, 2013    8-4-1-8 HLLH
      Sat, Oct 19, 2013    4-8-8-4 LHHL
      Fri, Oct 18, 2013    8-4-3-4 HLLL
      Thu, Oct 17, 2013    9-7-1-8 HHLH
      Wed, Oct 16, 2013    0-2-8-6 LLHH
      Tue, Oct 15, 2013    9-8-8-7 HHHH
      Mon, Oct 14, 2013    1-9-6-6 LHHH
      Sun, Oct 13, 2013    5-4-4-1 HLLL
      Sat, Oct 12, 2013    0-2-0-3 LLLL
      Fri, Oct 11, 2013    2-8-8-7 LHHH
      Thu, Oct 10, 2013    0-1-0-6 LLLH
      Wed, Oct 09, 2013    8-7-7-1 HHHL
      Tue, Oct 08, 2013    1-2-5-1 LLHL
      Mon, Oct 07, 2013    6-3-1-4 HLLL
      Sun, Oct 06, 2013    5-5-4-1 HHLL
      Sat, Oct 05, 2013    8-1-4-7 HLLH

      I took a very quick look at that and didn't see anything in particular.
      As there are 16 patterns each pattern might have 1/16 of the total straights.
      Better filtration would be if say there were 8 or 4 patterns instead of 16.



      I don't know how that would work out if it was used for real, but could not come out with anything else.

      If 1 pattern = 1/16 then 4 patterns = 4/16 so = 1/4 filtration either in or out.

      But I see that maybe that doesn't seem to work out, but I am not 100% sure.

      So perhaps filters tricks might work best, but I have not checked that very much yet to be sure, I only did some quick checking on a few past draws.
      But this might only give from 1/16 to 1/8 filtration for the High-Low straight filter and that is when it works.

      This stuff might be kind of like in a conflict with the so called permutation filter, but I don't know how much of a conflict it might be.
      I never yet did try to make Mega Permutation filters.
      And there are also Even-Odd, In-Out and Bala-Nced filters so don't know yet, which would be the best to use, these the regular filters or some kind of permutation filters.
      By the way, the Even-Odd, In-Out and Bala-Nced filters might be pretty much the same as this the High-Low filter.
      Also 16 straight patterns to each of them.
      And the filters tricks for each of them also maybe pretty much the same.
      But there are other filters such as the Width, Sum, Root, Last Digit Of The Sum.
      And maybe also pairs.
      Well more later another day soon.

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        Posted: November 15, 2013, 1:15 am - IP Logged

        The first thing you will see is that your purse will become lighter,

        The second thing you will see is that your doubt will become heavier.

        Take your time.  What's done is done.

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          The first thing you will see is that your purse will become lighter,

          The second thing you will see is that your doubt will become heavier.

          Take your time.  What's done is done.

          Tonight I have a little more time for this.

          The pick 4 has just way too many straight combinations so far I don't see much or any use for the straight Low-High, Even-Odd and the In-Out filters, even filtering out 2 straight digits for each straight position is not enough reduction.

          A pick 4 is made by 4 digits, but I don't think that I can predict digits by position and not 1 digit for each straight position.

          Even if I knew which LDR would come out next and I can't do that it would not be enough as 1000 pick 4 numbers is way too many.

          So the LDR is also out for the moment.

          Same for the Root filter.

          Maybe I should take a look at the Sums and later also at the pairs.

          Cash4ninja made a post on pick 4 pairs, maybe I sould also take a look at that, but first a look at the sums.

          Time to rest a little, look at some television and then take a quick look at the sums maybe later tonight or tomorrow sometime.

          If I ever knew how to crack the pick 4 that knowledge is gone and probably I have never known so far.

          But I was good with the boxed pick 3.

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            It seems to me right now that maybe as hard and or as impossible as it might be or seem to be I need to try to start with digits filtration-prediction nowdays I might be able to sometimes get right, filtrating out 2 digits for each straight position, but that is hardly good enough by itself.

            If 5 digits for each straight position are filtered out or predicted:

            5 X 5 X 5 X 5 = That leaves out or gives out 625 straight pick 4 numbers.

            That is much more like it, to start with, then something else can also be tried or used with this to reduce more.

            But, Can I do that? I always thought that I can't.

            But things can change.

            There are 10 digits for each position so there are 10 chances of being either wrong or right.

            There is only 1/10 of a chance of being right with only 1 digit when predicting 1 digit.

            When filtering out 1 digit there might be 9/10 chances of being it right.

            But when either predicting or filtering out 5 dight the chances might be 5/10.


            I always wanted the "Most Wins with as most Good Filtration as possible" that makes a lot of numbers to be played with good enough chance of winning.


            But here with the pick 4 maybe what needs to be used is "The Most or a Lot of Filtration with very few wins and pick 4 numbers to be played, the few pick 4 numbers to be played being a Relative thing".


            Filtering digits by position:

            The first thing that I wanted to try the Low-High-Even-Odd filter didn't seem to work.

            The second thing that I looked at a sort of boxed width range filter didn't work either.

            The third thing something that I had looked at very many years ago and that I wish that I could tell people about but can't cause it probably would quit working soon there-after, it worked years ago and seems to still work, but not always, that is not 100% of the time and the more digits by position that it is tried on for filtration the more the risk of its use I never used it, just learned about it years ago and left it at that, like so very many things about the lottery that I have learned about thru the years.

            I have only taken a very quick look at it just now and don't know for sure for how many digits of filtration by position it might be good for, the more digits that it is used for the more the risk of failure and remember "Filters Failures Compound"

            Maybe it would be good often for something between 2 to 4 digits of filtration for position.

            And that is not the only digits by position filtration method or technique, of course the more methods of filtration that are used that do the very same kind of filtration like in this case filter out digits by position, the greater the chances of filters failures.

            Even so I don't know for sure but maybe I could filter out 3 to 5 digits by each straight position.

            There is a new method of digits filtration that I have never tried and won't cause it looks like it is very prone to failures, fails a lot, but looks as if when it would work and seldom, that it could maybe filter out a great very many digits by position maybe more than 6 digits for position.


            Well, that is all for this post, much later here in private I will take a much better look at the one best method and then try to combine two of the best methods of digits filtration and see if I get good enough 3 to 5 digits filtration by each straight position.

            Because for the pick 4 game at the very least 4 to 5  digits by position straight filtration is needed as a beginning basic filtration technique before any other filters are used.

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              I did write a little about digits by position straight filtration a very long time ago either as LANTERN and or as EXCALIBUR, but probably as LANTERN, the stuff might be almost impossible to find or at least very hard due to so very many past posts made.

              I tried years ago so very many ways of digits filtration by straight position and maybe wrote about one or more of them.

              I even developed a method to tell when pick 3 doubles would come out, but this stuff was lost as I didn't safe keep it. Too bad, that happened to me for being so paranoid, I have lost so many techniques due to that.

              Later sometime.

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