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Should the lottery award jackpot prizes based on video evidence?

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Posted: December 4, 2013, 5:14 pm - IP Logged

BananaCanada just agreed to award a bunch of millions to a woman, based on video evidence, who won the jackpot but couldn't find her ticket. She said she looked everywhere, but just couldn't figure out what she did with the ticket. Is this real progress, or is this taking millions out of the greedy hands of the lotteries? Is this opening up the proverbial Pandora's box?.

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    Posted: December 4, 2013, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

    BananaCanada just agreed to award a bunch of millions to a woman, based on video evidence, who won the jackpot but couldn't find her ticket. She said she looked everywhere, but just couldn't figure out what she did with the ticket. Is this real progress, or is this taking millions out of the greedy hands of the lotteries? Is this opening up the proverbial Pandora's box?.

    Not sure I understand the ?

    If the Jp would have been taken by the state/province, it's progress,

    If it's added to the next JP, then no

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      Posted: December 4, 2013, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

      IF she is readily identifiable on the video as the one who purchased the ticket, I don't have a problem with it.  Cameras are everywhere.  It's only logical to think that eventually this scenario would occur.

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        Posted: December 4, 2013, 5:38 pm - IP Logged

        She was lucky and must had friends in the right places since the lottery tracked her down to give her the money.  There were over 400 other people actively trying to claim that $50M and she wasn't one of them.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: December 4, 2013, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

          Kinda sets a precidence I don't care for.  You should have the ticket to claim, otherwise the potential for funny business increases exponentially......especially in this digital age.  Maybe she was added to the video????  I don't know........


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            Kinda sets a precidence I don't care for.  You should have the ticket to claim, otherwise the potential for funny business increases exponentially......especially in this digital age.  Maybe she was added to the video????  I don't know........

            Yeah i agree you should have physical documentation as well as the digital....

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              Posted: December 4, 2013, 7:19 pm - IP Logged

              BananaCanada just agreed to award a bunch of millions to a woman, based on video evidence, who won the jackpot but couldn't find her ticket. She said she looked everywhere, but just couldn't figure out what she did with the ticket. Is this real progress, or is this taking millions out of the greedy hands of the lotteries? Is this opening up the proverbial Pandora's box?.

              The world is going electronic/digital already.

              So they had a timestamp and her picture on video, maybe that could be how you buy tickets in the future:

              - go to a store, take a timestamp, take a picture for facial recognition, or fingerprint or iris scan

              - that's your lottery entry

              We have an electronic version here in CA already, the second chance program.

              You enter codes online from tickets, and that is your entry. You do not need to have the actual paper ticket to claim the prize, although that is nice, they say. The electronic/digital entry is what matters. This can be thousands or millions of dollars in prizes depending on the game, all electronic/digital.

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                Posted: December 5, 2013, 6:01 am - IP Logged

                She's a lucky woman.. Hurray! I strongly doubt it would happen here in New York..  Twitch  Good luck to her....Dance

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                  Posted: December 5, 2013, 7:10 am - IP Logged

                  BananaCanada just agreed to award a bunch of millions to a woman, based on video evidence, who won the jackpot but couldn't find her ticket. She said she looked everywhere, but just couldn't figure out what she did with the ticket. Is this real progress, or is this taking millions out of the greedy hands of the lotteries? Is this opening up the proverbial Pandora's box?.

                  Good question.

                  Valid points can be made on both sides.

                  It's a choice between the perennial arbiters of fate: Human Compassion and Rule of Law.

                  Though I naturally incline towards Human Compassion, I would probably opt for the Rule of Law in this case.

                  I believe that certain established structures of principle must be enforced in order to maintain confidence in the integrity of the system as a whole.

                  So in my book, ya gotta have a ticket.

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                    Posted: December 5, 2013, 9:38 am - IP Logged

                    She was lucky and must had friends in the right places since the lottery tracked her down to give her the money.  There were over 400 other people actively trying to claim that $50M and she wasn't one of them.

                    It was in Canada where the lottery rules and regulations are probably much different than in the U.S. And I really doubt in the future, that lottery will seek out the winners of every unclaimed prize. It might be good publicity to find the winner and payout a large jackpot, but don't expect the Ohio Lottery to send you a notice saying you forgot to cash that $1 Rolling Cash 5 winning ticket or that matching three number Classic Lotto ticket.

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                      Posted: December 5, 2013, 9:58 am - IP Logged

                      It was in Canada where the lottery rules and regulations are probably much different than in the U.S. And I really doubt in the future, that lottery will seek out the winners of every unclaimed prize. It might be good publicity to find the winner and payout a large jackpot, but don't expect the Ohio Lottery to send you a notice saying you forgot to cash that $1 Rolling Cash 5 winning ticket or that matching three number Classic Lotto ticket.

                      I think the lottery should try to seek out winners of large jackpots.  If posting a video on their website helps identify a winner, I'm for it.  That winner could be me or you. 

                      I can see the potential problems with it, unless that person can produce the ticket.

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                        Posted: December 5, 2013, 11:20 am - IP Logged

                        I think the lottery should try to seek out winners of large jackpots.  If posting a video on their website helps identify a winner, I'm for it.  That winner could be me or you. 

                        I can see the potential problems with it, unless that person can produce the ticket.

                        I read where the majority of unclaimed tickets are scratch-offs $5 or less and probably true because the scratch-off sales is over 60% of all ticket sales. For those jackpot game unclaimed tickets, not all stores have video cameras and some that do, have inaccurate time stamps. I believe most of us are for using any method to determine ownership of a unclaimed tickets as opposed to the prize going back to the state general fund, but I think it's only fair when they find the actual player buying the ticket.

                        "The dog ate my homework" didn't work in school and "the dog ate my lottery ticket" shouldn't work either.

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                          Posted: December 5, 2013, 11:56 am - IP Logged

                          Video evidence is used to convict you of a crime and put you in jail.

                          Video of a purchase with a time stamp could be evidence. Most register receipts have time stamps and what purchased too to go along with the vid.

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                            Posted: December 5, 2013, 9:07 pm - IP Logged

                            Good question.

                            Valid points can be made on both sides.

                            It's a choice between the perennial arbiters of fate: Human Compassion and Rule of Law.

                            Though I naturally incline towards Human Compassion, I would probably opt for the Rule of Law in this case.

                            I believe that certain established structures of principle must be enforced in order to maintain confidence in the integrity of the system as a whole.

                            So in my book, ya gotta have a ticket.

                            Ridge, with this kind of grammer, you may have just blown your cover!  Yale?  Havard?  Julliard school of acting?  Next I expect you to cover the laws of probability, or non-probability in the case of the new MegaMillions matrix.

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                              Posted: December 6, 2013, 4:36 am - IP Logged

                              She's a lucky woman.. Hurray! I strongly doubt it would happen here in New York..  Twitch  Good luck to her....Dance

                              NY has a specific law allowing people to present a claim if they don't have the ticket. I don't recall the amount, but there's a fee of at least $100, and perhaps $150 or so to submit the claim. That will cover a basic investigation that will easily weed out the majority of false or weak claims, and probably most claims for less than $1000 or so. I'm pretty sure the law requires that any prize will not be paid until after the claim period expires, to make sure that nobody else comes forward with the ticket.

                              I have very little idea of how much video the lottery collects, but they certainly collect it for any tickets that win a jackpot game (assuming the player didn't buy the ticket too far ahead of the drawing; I presume stores don't always keep) months of old video. Many players use a credit card for other purchases made when they bought their ticket(s), and they may have other tickets that were bought at the same time, or have the same numbers. For recent purchases players may know things that only the purchaser or lottery should know, such as what other tickets were purchased or order of purchase.

                              In some cases there won't be strong evidence to support a claim, but in others the evidence will offer proof that's virtually certain.