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Does anyone here know the history of the matrix changes for PB and MM?

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Posted: February 10, 2014, 12:44 am - IP Logged

Considering the threads about giving up on each game, does anyone know all the matrix changes?

Wikipedia has a pretty good history of the games but not all the matrixes.

MM is now 75 / 15, Prior that that it was 56 /46?

Can anyone go all the way back to the Big Game?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: February 10, 2014, 1:35 am - IP Logged

    Considering the threads about giving up on each game, does anyone know all the matrix changes?

    Wikipedia has a pretty good history of the games but not all the matrixes.

    MM is now 75 / 15, Prior that that it was 56 /46?

    Can anyone go all the way back to the Big Game?

    The Big Game was originally 5/50 + 1/36. When it changed to The Big Game Mega Millions, the matrix went to 5/52 + 1/52.

    As Mega Millions it changed to 5/46 + 1/46 in 2006.

    5/50 + 1/36

    MATCH
    PRIZE*

    ODDS

     5 White Balls & THE BIG MONEY BALL JACKPOT**

     (per $1 play) 
    1:76,275,360


    5 White Balls $150,000

     1:2,179,296


     4 White Balls & THE BIG MONEY BALL $5,000

     1:339,002


     4 White Balls $150

     1:9,686


     3 White Balls & THE BIG MONEY BALL $100

     1:7,705


     3 White Balls $5

     1:220


     2 White Balls &THE BIG MONEY BALL $5

     1:538


     1 White Ball & THE BIG MONEY BALL $2

     1:102


     0 White Balls & THE BIG MONEY BALL $1

    1:62

     

    5/52 + 1/52

    MATCH
    PRIZE*

    ODDS

     5 White Balls + MEGA BALL JACKPOT**

     (per $1 play) 
    1:135,145,920


    5 White Balls $175,000

     1:2,649,920


     4 White Balls + MEGA BALL $5,000

     1:575,089


     4 White Balls $150

     1:11,276


     3 White Balls & MEGA BALL $150

     1:12,502


     2 White Balls & MEGA BALL $10

     1:833


     3 White Balls $7

     1:245


     1 White Ball & MEGA BALL $3

     1:152


     0 White Balls & MEGA BALL $2

    1:88

    If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
    If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

    2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
    P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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      Posted: February 10, 2014, 5:23 am - IP Logged

      USAMega  has the complete history of both MM and PB.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: February 10, 2014, 9:39 am - IP Logged
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          Posted: February 10, 2014, 11:41 am - IP Logged

          Thanks guys, excellent post LottoMetro.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: February 10, 2014, 12:18 pm - IP Logged

            Thanks guys, excellent post LottoMetro.

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            I forgot to add the very very first BG matrix, which was 5/50 + 1/15

             

            MatchProbability
            Prize
            5 plus Big Money ball1 : 52,969,000Jackpot
            5 match ONLY1 : 2,207,042$150,000
            4 plus Big Money ball1 : 235,418$5,000
            4 match ONLY1 : 9,809$150
            3 plus Big Money ball1 : 5,350$100
            3 match ONLY1 : 223$5
            2 plus Big Money ball1 : 373$5
            1 plus Big Money ball1 : 71$2
            Big Money ball only1: 43$1

            If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
            If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

            2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
            P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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              Posted: February 10, 2014, 12:41 pm - IP Logged

              There's only two things which can happen with ANY type of lottery game: One, they can add more numbers to it which makes it much harder to match anything...which is the latest deal. Two, they can remove numbers to make it easier to match more numbers. While the term matrix does sort of apply, it's simply removing or adding to the range of numbers which increases or decreases total possible combinations There's no special formula they go through to reach a matrix.

              If they were to take the Pick 3 game, for instance, and increase it from 0-9 to 0-12, you'd simply have an additional three numbers to worry with combining combos. The game is still the same but with now 1,728 total combinations. This is just an example. Type

               

              L.L.

              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

              #lotto-4-a-living

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                Posted: February 10, 2014, 12:46 pm - IP Logged

                Here's the first 4 Powerball prize matrices if anyone is interested:

                5/45 + 1/455/49 + 1/42
                MatchOddsPrizeMatchOddsPrize
                5 + PB1 : 54,979,155Jackpot5 + PB1 : 80,089,128Jackpot
                5 Only1 : 1,249,526$100,0005 Only1 : 1,953,393$100,000
                4 + PB1 : 274,896$5,0004 + PB1 : 364,041$5,000
                4 Only1 : 6,248$1004 Only1 : 8,879$100
                3 + PB1 : 7,049$1003 + PB1 : 8,466$100
                3 Only1 : 160$53 Only1 : 206$7
                2 + PB1 : 556$52 + PB1 : 605$7
                1 + PB1 : 120$21 + PB1 : 118$4
                PB Only1 : 84$1PB Only1 : 74$3
                5/53 + 1/425/55 + 1/42
                MatchOddsPrizeMatchOddsPrize
                5 + PB1 : 120,526,770Jackpot5 + PB1 : 146,107,962Jackpot
                5 Only1 : 2,939,677$100,0005 Only1 : 3,563,609$200,000
                4 + PB1 : 502,195$5,0004 + PB1 : 584,432$10,000
                4 Only1 : 12,249$1004 Only1 : 14,254$100
                3 + PB1 : 10,685$1003 + PB1 : 11,927$100
                3 Only1 : 261$73 Only1 : 291$7
                2 + PB1 : 697$72 + PB1 : 745$7
                1 + PB1 : 124$41 + PB1 : 127$4
                PB Only1 : 70$3PB Only1 : 69$3

                If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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                  Posted: February 10, 2014, 1:11 pm - IP Logged

                  Here's the first 4 Powerball prize matrices if anyone is interested:

                  5/45 + 1/455/49 + 1/42
                  MatchOddsPrizeMatchOddsPrize
                  5 + PB1 : 54,979,155Jackpot5 + PB1 : 80,089,128Jackpot
                  5 Only1 : 1,249,526$100,0005 Only1 : 1,953,393$100,000
                  4 + PB1 : 274,896$5,0004 + PB1 : 364,041$5,000
                  4 Only1 : 6,248$1004 Only1 : 8,879$100
                  3 + PB1 : 7,049$1003 + PB1 : 8,466$100
                  3 Only1 : 160$53 Only1 : 206$7
                  2 + PB1 : 556$52 + PB1 : 605$7
                  1 + PB1 : 120$21 + PB1 : 118$4
                  PB Only1 : 84$1PB Only1 : 74$3
                  5/53 + 1/425/55 + 1/42
                  MatchOddsPrizeMatchOddsPrize
                  5 + PB1 : 120,526,770Jackpot5 + PB1 : 146,107,962Jackpot
                  5 Only1 : 2,939,677$100,0005 Only1 : 3,563,609$200,000
                  4 + PB1 : 502,195$5,0004 + PB1 : 584,432$10,000
                  4 Only1 : 12,249$1004 Only1 : 14,254$100
                  3 + PB1 : 10,685$1003 + PB1 : 11,927$100
                  3 Only1 : 261$73 Only1 : 291$7
                  2 + PB1 : 697$72 + PB1 : 745$7
                  1 + PB1 : 124$41 + PB1 : 127$4
                  PB Only1 : 70$3PB Only1 : 69$3

                  Yep, the gradual addition of (10) main numbers with a one-time (3) less PB number reduction. They could afford to pay out more because less people would match a given amount of numbers...if any. In just the last two changes, 1,610,216 LESS people were expected to match only (5) numbers by just adding another (6) numbers. Now, another (4) have been added. So, now, from the very last addition to the present one, another 1,590,023.65 LESS people are expected to match the same (5) numbers with another buck tacked on to the cost.

                  I wish I could start my own lottery...seriously. I'd allow more folks to win higher prizes more consistently so long as I made a reasonable chunk myself on the sales. I'm not greedy at all...live and let live.

                   

                  L.L.

                  Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                  There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                  #lotto-4-a-living

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                    Yep, the gradual addition of (10) main numbers with a one-time (3) less PB number reduction. They could afford to pay out more because less people would match a given amount of numbers...if any. In just the last two changes, 1,610,216 LESS people were expected to match only (5) numbers by just adding another (6) numbers. Now, another (4) have been added. So, now, from the very last addition to the present one, another 1,590,023.65 LESS people are expected to match the same (5) numbers with another buck tacked on to the cost.

                    I wish I could start my own lottery...seriously. I'd allow more folks to win higher prizes more consistently so long as I made a reasonable chunk myself on the sales. I'm not greedy at all...live and let live.

                     

                    L.L.

                    Both games are basically all or nothing because the lower prize payoffs are terrible compared to the odds. Matching two numbers plus the bonus number in PB will net you $5 with odds against of 706 to 1. The same $2 bet on any pick-4 box (single or double) combo will net you at least $398 with odds against of 570 to 1. The odds against a $2 PB bet netting $98 by matching 4 numbers is 12,245 to 1 and a $2 straight bet with 10,000 to 1 odds nets $9998.

                    MM lowered their overall odds of winning something to 1 in 14.7, but the odds against winning something substantial like $500 is 1 in 52,835. The all or nothing games where they draw 12 of 24 has overall odds of winning something at 1 in 4.5 or a 22% chance. But most players will probably match 4 or 8 numbers and collect the same $2 they bet and win nothing. The odds of a $2 ticket winning a $500 prize (1 in 18,779)  are only slightly lower than in MM.

                    I like your lottery game idea, but almost all of our state lotteries are run by state legislators with no gaming experience. They simply want the biggest cut of the sales volume they can take and the lottery directors are under pressure to make the bottom line especially in states where lottery profits go to scholarship funds. 

                    Each state lottery should have at least one game for the players where the prizes are about 80% of the sales volume.

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                      Both games are basically all or nothing because the lower prize payoffs are terrible compared to the odds. Matching two numbers plus the bonus number in PB will net you $5 with odds against of 706 to 1. The same $2 bet on any pick-4 box (single or double) combo will net you at least $398 with odds against of 570 to 1. The odds against a $2 PB bet netting $98 by matching 4 numbers is 12,245 to 1 and a $2 straight bet with 10,000 to 1 odds nets $9998.

                      MM lowered their overall odds of winning something to 1 in 14.7, but the odds against winning something substantial like $500 is 1 in 52,835. The all or nothing games where they draw 12 of 24 has overall odds of winning something at 1 in 4.5 or a 22% chance. But most players will probably match 4 or 8 numbers and collect the same $2 they bet and win nothing. The odds of a $2 ticket winning a $500 prize (1 in 18,779)  are only slightly lower than in MM.

                      I like your lottery game idea, but almost all of our state lotteries are run by state legislators with no gaming experience. They simply want the biggest cut of the sales volume they can take and the lottery directors are under pressure to make the bottom line especially in states where lottery profits go to scholarship funds. 

                      Each state lottery should have at least one game for the players where the prizes are about 80% of the sales volume.

                      I like your lottery game idea

                      Well, thanks, Stack...I appreciate that! But, mind you and be very careful what you say around here, buddyEek. What I described will be considered Lotto Liberalism!!! LMFAO!!!LOL Nothing wrong with giving back since I'm giving it right back to the people who put it there in the first d*mn place...all to recirculate again!!!Yes Nod I'm gonna get my a$$ handed to me any minute now Bash by some coo-koo that would rather get even less back, if anything, just to be 'down with the cause.' Yep, disagree just because it'll appeal. 

                       

                      at least one game for the players where the prizes are about 80%

                       

                       

                      Yep, you're d*mned skippy!! The state makes plenty enough money for scholarships and such. It's high time the people started seeing better returns on the same monies they put there from jump street. If it weren't for the phuckin' people, none of them would even have lottery jobs nor money to send to colleges and give all those ginormous bonuses.I said a very, very long time ago that the people have all the power...yet they refuse to use it. Look at what happened in Massachusetts when that bad storm hit. I'm not saying that it was a good thing which happened to the folks weather-wise, okay. But, when they didn't get out and spend their money, the sales dropped dramatically and made a statement. If people really wanted to make a statement about how much they dislike the new MM's and PB makeup, they could simply stay out of the stores...simple.

                       

                      BOSTON, Mass. — Lottery ticket sales dipped in December by nearly $1 million below last year’s total — a drop Lottery officials attribute to two snowstorms that kept buyers out of stores.

                       

                       

                      One of these old days, people are gonna start paying closer attention to what this 'ole boy has been saying all along about most things...because it's all the truth. I have nothing to gain by lying to people, but they hate to love that I'm right. I rest my case...again.

                       

                      L.L.

                      Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                      There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                      #lotto-4-a-living

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                        Posted: February 10, 2014, 4:06 pm - IP Logged

                        Considering the threads about giving up on each game, does anyone know all the matrix changes?

                        Wikipedia has a pretty good history of the games but not all the matrixes.

                        MM is now 75 / 15, Prior that that it was 56 /46?

                        Can anyone go all the way back to the Big Game?

                        Mr. Coin Toss you should focus on the present odds of winning MM and PB.

                        Are you going to keep playing Mega Millions and Powerball regardless of the odds of winning? You do have a choice.

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                          MR. THRIFTY,

                          I play PB now since MM 'did its' thing' and went to 75 numbers. I'm really hoping for a 5 + 0 so the choice is 5 of 59 as opposed to 5 of 75.

                          LottoMetro,

                          Yeah, I'm intersted. Thanks again for the info. Amazing that the odds have increased by over 120,000,00 compared to the original game. Sure the prizes are a lot more but this is convincing me that those running the games are paraphrasing the line in Field of Dreams to, "If you offer it they will play."

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.