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# P4 Diamond Workout

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Was messing around with P4 and wanted to create something like onlymoney's Powerful P3 Pyramid - only thing was 4 digits sure is out of the 3 points of a pyramid and then I thought of the clock and diamond shape - there are 4 major times (12, 3, 6, 9) and 4 points of a diamond.

Example:

12

9         3

6

THE SETUP

Using FL for example: 4/6 MID 1576

Place the first digit at the 12 position of the clock and continue clockwise like so.

1

7            5

6

Now take the digit in 12 position and add it to itself and all digits.

Which is 1 in this example (1+1=2) and place in between 1 and 5.

1

2

7            5

6

Add 1 to 5 (1+5=6) and place in between 5 and 6

1

2

7             5

6

6

Add 1 to 6 (1+6=7) and place in between 6 and 7.

1

2

7             5

7       6

6

Then add 1 to 7 (1+7=8) and place in between 1 and 7.

1

8       2

7             5

7       6

6

Now take all digits and add to get your sum (1+2+5+6+6+7+7+8=42) then take the sum and place it in the middle between 7 and 5.

1

8       2

7    4    2    5

7       6

6

FLORIDA

Tue, Apr 15, 2014 Mon, Apr 14, 2014 Sun, Apr 13, 2014 Sat, Apr 12, 2014 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 1-3-1 7-9-4 6-4-2-5 5-7-7-1 1-8-2 3-3-8 8-2-5-5 2-8-6-5 3-1-7 3-4-8 2-3-4-1 1-7-2-3 2-3-5 5-9-6 5-6-7-1 3-4-1-7 6-4-5 7-2-3 1-7-3-8 9-4-7-9 8-7-8 7-2-1 7-8-7-7 4-1-5-6 9-2-9 6-8-7 2-0-0-0 1-4-1-6 6-3-7 6-9-9 2-7-0-3 8-7-2-3 2-6-1 6-9-4 8-7-1-0 0-4-4-9 0-5-8 6-9-1 1-5-7-6 3-3-7-8

From 1576 workout - it's gotten 5 hits in 9 days (19 draws).  Took 7 draws to finally hit the first time. But I think the P4 is all about timing and seeing a pattern/trend to determine the best time to play certain numbers.  I also did a workout from  4/6 eve 3378 and you see it hit immediately the next draw and got a total of 3 hits in the same time frame of the 4/6 mid 1576 workout. You can also see that 1576 and 3378 shared the same 781 triad.

1576                                   3378

1                                        3

8       2                              1       6

7    4    2    5                      8    3    4    3

7       6                              0       6

6                                       7

Try using any method that creates triads to further reduce the amount of numbers to play from the diamond.

Example of:

Duchess' +1234

1576 + 1234 = 2810

Possible Triads -- 281X 210X 280X 810X

3378 + 1234 = 4612

Possible Triads -- 461X 462X 412X 612X

(See the 810 triad -- use the diamond workout to get that 4th digit

It's a lot less amount of numbers to play since some are doubles instead of using all 0-9)

This diamond method is still in tweaking mode as I had just came up with this in a few minutes without extensive backtesting. Backtest this for your state and let me know how it works out for you!

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thanks for this, I will check it out and let you know!

It's funny because I thought this was how onlymoney did his untill he clarified but there are no goofs in lottery if you win lol

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Whoever's in FL , I sure hope you got today's Play 4 MID 1580 :)

Came off 4/15 MID 6425 - That was pretty fast !

6

1      2

5   2   8   4

8      0

2

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You don't have to start your digits from the 12 position .. Try it from 3, 6, and 9 position of the diamond as well.  I am noticing hits from the 9 position for NC P4. Don't have time to post an example for NC as I'm on break at work

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 Wed, Apr 16, 2014 Tue, Apr 15, 2014 Mon, Apr 14, 2014 6-8-4 6-2-3 6-0-4-1 9-4-9-2 9-2-9 2-0-5 9-3-0-5 1-7-7-2 4-3-6 5-3-0 1-6-1-2 1-3-8-5

This is NC example - 4/14 Mid 1612 at the 9 position caught the 4/15 Eve 1772

1612

6

7      2

1    3   4   1

8      7

2

Showing 4/15 Mid 9305 wheeled at all positions

9 position          12 position        3 position            6 position

9305                 9305                9305                   9305

3                      9                      5                        0

2      6              4      8              5       0               3        0

9   3   6   0       5   4   0   3       0    3    4    9       3    3   4    5

8      3              9      2              8       4               9       5

5                      0                       3                        9

NC's P4 4/16 eve 9492 hit came from the 12 position this time.

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Fri, Apr 18, 2014 Thu, Apr 17, 2014 Wed, Apr 16, 2014 Tue, Apr 15, 2014 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 1-4-9 3-0-6 7-3-3-7 8-1-1-5 5-8-1 9-5-8 3-9-3-5 3-8-7-8 9-3-6 9-4-1 1-5-8-0 0-4-7-5 1-3-1 7-9-4 6-4-2-5 5-7-7-1 1-8-2 3-3-8 8-2-5-5 2-8-6-5 3-1-7 3-4-8 2-3-4-1 1-7-2-3

Let's see how many hits it provided this week - (apologize in advance that this post is SUPER long)

12 position                 3 position                   6 position                    9 position

2341                        2341                          2341                           2341

2                              1                                4                                 3

3        4                    5        2                      7        8                       5        6

1    2    8    3             4    2    4    2              3    3    6    1               2    2    8    4

6        5                    4        3                      6        5                       6        7

4                              3                                2                                 1

4/13 E 1723 fell the next draw from the 4/13 M 2341 in the 6 and 9 position

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

1723                        1723                         1723                            1723

1                              3                               2                                  7

4        2                    5        6                     9        4                        8        4

3    2    6    7             2    2    8    1             7    3    5    3                1    3    5    2

3        8                    0        4                     3        5                        0        9

2                              7                               1                                  3

4/14 E 2865  fell from  4/13 E 1723  in the 3 position. (Notice that  2865  is in the  2341  work out as well.)

4/14 M  8255 came close in the work out.  It was missing an 8 in the 6 position.

4/17 M 3935 fell from 4/13 E 1723 in the 6 position - took 7 draws to hit.

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

8255                        8255                         8255                            8255

8                              5                               5                                  2

3        6                    0        0                     7        0                        0        4

5    3    2    2            5    2    5    8              2    3    0    5                8    3    8    5

3        0                    7        3                     3        0                        7        7

5                              2                               8                                  5

4/17 E 3878 fell from 4/14 M 8255 in the 9 position - took 5 draws to fall, but doubles are the worth the wait.

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

2865                        2865                         2865                             2865

2                              5                               6                                  8

7        4                    1        0                     4        2                        0        6

5    3    3    8            6    3    2    2              8    3    6    5                2    3    4    6

8        0                    3        7                     8        1                        3        4

6                              8                               2                                  5

4/15 M 6425 immediate hit from 4/14 E 2865 in 12, 6, 9 positions.

You can see the idea of why seeing the draw in all 4 positions can be beneficial.

6425

6

1      2       4/16 M 1580 fell the next midday drawing from 4/15 M 6425 in the 12 position.

5   2    3   4

8      0

2

6425

5

7      0

2   3    4   6        4/16 E 0475 fell from 4/15 M 6425 as well but from the 3 position.

9      1

4

1580

1

1      2

0    3   2   5      4/18 E 8115 fell from 4/16 M 1580 from the 12 position.

9      6

8

Within 6 days (12 draws), this method has shown 8 hits for FL.

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Fri, Apr 18, 2014 Thu, Apr 17, 2014 Wed, Apr 16, 2014 Tue, Apr 15, 2014 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 1-4-9 3-0-6 7-3-3-7 8-1-1-5 5-8-1 9-5-8 3-9-3-5 3-8-7-8 9-3-6 9-4-1 1-5-8-0 0-4-7-5 1-3-1 7-9-4 6-4-2-5 5-7-7-1 1-8-2 3-3-8 8-2-5-5 2-8-6-5 3-1-7 3-4-8 2-3-4-1 1-7-2-3

Let's see how many hits it provided this week - (apologize in advance that this post is SUPER long)

12 position                 3 position                   6 position                    9 position

2341                        2341                          2341                           2341

2                              1                                4                                 3

3        4                    5        2                      7        8                       5        6

1    2    8    3             4    2    4    2              3    3    6    1               2    2    8    4

6        5                    4        3                      6        5                       6        7

4                              3                                2                                 1

4/13 E 1723 fell the next draw from the 4/13 M 2341 in the 6 and 9 position

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

1723                        1723                         1723                            1723

1                              3                               2                                  7

4        2                    5        6                     9        4                        8        4

3    2    6    7             2    2    8    1             7    3    5    3                1    3    5    2

3        8                    0        4                     3        5                        0        9

2                              7                               1                                  3

4/14 E 2865  fell from  4/13 E 1723  in the 3 position. (Notice that  2865  is in the  2341  work out as well.)

4/14 M  8255 came close in the work out.  It was missing an 8 in the 6 position.

4/17 M 3935 fell from 4/13 E 1723 in the 6 position - took 7 draws to hit.

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

8255                        8255                         8255                            8255

8                              5                               5                                  2

3        6                    0        0                     7        0                        0        4

5    3    2    2            5    2    5    8              2    3    0    5                8    3    8    5

3        0                    7        3                     3        0                        7        7

5                              2                               8                                  5

4/17 E 3878 fell from 4/14 M 8255 in the 9 position - took 5 draws to fall, but doubles are the worth the wait.

12 position                 3 position                  6 position                     9 position

2865                        2865                         2865                             2865

2                              5                               6                                  8

7        4                    1        0                     4        2                        0        6

5    3    3    8            6    3    2    2              8    3    6    5                2    3    4    6

8        0                    3        7                     8        1                        3        4

6                              8                               2                                  5

4/15 M 6425 immediate hit from 4/14 E 2865 in 12, 6, 9 positions.

You can see the idea of why seeing the draw in all 4 positions can be beneficial.

6425

6

1      2       4/16 M 1580 fell the next midday drawing from 4/15 M 6425 in the 12 position.

5   2    3   4

8      0

2

6425

5

7      0

2   3    4   6        4/16 E 0475 fell from 4/15 M 6425 as well but from the 3 position.

9      1

4

1580

1

1      2

0    3   2   5      4/18 E 8115 fell from 4/16 M 1580 from the 12 position.

9      6

8

Within 6 days (12 draws), this method has shown 8 hits for FL.

I really don't understand the excitement over any pyramids, diamond shapes or match boxes what so ever. The only time that they are good, is AFTER  the draw and then you can "see" where the numbers were.

This diamond example above, for the pick 4, is nothing more than wheeling 10 digits... Cost effective, it is not! Unless you can guess the numbers or wheel all of the digits and play all of the combinations, it's just a shot in the dark.

I do wish you continued luck on finding a system that is cost effective and that will give you winners.

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inittowin , thanks for your constructive criticism of this system. I know right now that it is not cost effective which is why I have not started playing it at the terminals as of yet.  I'm still trying to find a way to reduce it so that it is cost effective. Like trying to find a good triad method to pair with this system. If you have any ideas, please feel free to share.

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I am so sick of people criticising someone when they come up with a system and you don't like it.

If so then why don't you move on and leave the person alone.

She did show that there was results.

She never had to post it to begin with.

Nerdycharlie good job well done.

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I am so sick of people criticising someone when they come up with a system and you don't like it.

If so then why don't you move on and leave the person alone.

She did show that there was results.

She never had to post it to begin with.

Nerdycharlie good job well done.

Happy Easter to all

The keyword was 'constructive critique', Nerdycharlie wasn't offended, let's be open to ideals,it helps both ways.

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Was messing around with P4 and wanted to create something like onlymoney's Powerful P3 Pyramid - only thing was 4 digits sure is out of the 3 points of a pyramid and then I thought of the clock and diamond shape - there are 4 major times (12, 3, 6, 9) and 4 points of a diamond.

Example:

12

9         3

6

THE SETUP

Using FL for example: 4/6 MID 1576

Place the first digit at the 12 position of the clock and continue clockwise like so.

1

7            5

6

Now take the digit in 12 position and add it to itself and all digits.

Which is 1 in this example (1+1=2) and place in between 1 and 5.

1

2

7            5

6

Add 1 to 5 (1+5=6) and place in between 5 and 6

1

2

7             5

6

6

Add 1 to 6 (1+6=7) and place in between 6 and 7.

1

2

7             5

7       6

6

Then add 1 to 7 (1+7=8) and place in between 1 and 7.

1

8       2

7             5

7       6

6

Now take all digits and add to get your sum (1+2+5+6+6+7+7+8=42) then take the sum and place it in the middle between 7 and 5.

1

8       2

7    4    2    5

7       6

6

FLORIDA

Tue, Apr 15, 2014 Mon, Apr 14, 2014 Sun, Apr 13, 2014 Sat, Apr 12, 2014 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 1-3-1 7-9-4 6-4-2-5 5-7-7-1 1-8-2 3-3-8 8-2-5-5 2-8-6-5 3-1-7 3-4-8 2-3-4-1 1-7-2-3 2-3-5 5-9-6 5-6-7-1 3-4-1-7 6-4-5 7-2-3 1-7-3-8 9-4-7-9 8-7-8 7-2-1 7-8-7-7 4-1-5-6 9-2-9 6-8-7 2-0-0-0 1-4-1-6 6-3-7 6-9-9 2-7-0-3 8-7-2-3 2-6-1 6-9-4 8-7-1-0 0-4-4-9 0-5-8 6-9-1 1-5-7-6 3-3-7-8

From 1576 workout - it's gotten 5 hits in 9 days (19 draws).  Took 7 draws to finally hit the first time. But I think the P4 is all about timing and seeing a pattern/trend to determine the best time to play certain numbers.  I also did a workout from  4/6 eve 3378 and you see it hit immediately the next draw and got a total of 3 hits in the same time frame of the 4/6 mid 1576 workout. You can also see that 1576 and 3378 shared the same 781 triad.

1576                                   3378

1                                        3

8       2                              1       6

7    4    2    5                      8    3    4    3

7       6                              0       6

6                                       7

Try using any method that creates triads to further reduce the amount of numbers to play from the diamond.

Example of:

Duchess' +1234

1576 + 1234 = 2810

Possible Triads -- 281X 210X 280X 810X

3378 + 1234 = 4612

Possible Triads -- 461X 462X 412X 612X

(See the 810 triad -- use the diamond workout to get that 4th digit

It's a lot less amount of numbers to play since some are doubles instead of using all 0-9)

This diamond method is still in tweaking mode as I had just came up with this in a few minutes without extensive backtesting. Backtest this for your state and let me know how it works out for you!

How do you inteprete or infer  after 'The Diamond Setup data'? are we looking for patterns and what are the trigger/s for these patterns?

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I am so sick of people criticising someone when they come up with a system and you don't like it.

If so then why don't you move on and leave the person alone.

She did show that there was results.

She never had to post it to begin with.

Nerdycharlie good job well done.

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I can do that here, you know.

If she read between the lines, she would see that it is a futile way of trying to win the pick 4. They don't work over the long haul. But, as I stated in my previous post, it will cost you a lot of money learning that little tidbit.

NC, I agree w/ pick, kudos for trying, but get back to basics and you will win more often. It was not meant to be an attack, but because it sounded like a lot of other people's post on systems on this site, I understand what you might have thought.

BTW pick, take a xanax & get to bed early. Everything will be alright...

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I would like to see a sytem that is 100 percent .

If there is one   that person would never post it and I wouldn't either.

I thought this site was for sharing ideas and whatever you want to do with it is  your business .

I don't need xanax as I treat people decent no matter what my thoughts are .

To bad the rest of the world isn't the same.

End of story !!!!!!!!

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You don't have to start your digits from the 12 position .. Try it from 3, 6, and 9 position of the diamond as well.  I am noticing hits from the 9 position for NC P4. Don't have time to post an example for NC as I'm on break at work

nerdycharlie I appreciate what you're doing.  I do the same thing, since I don't have a method, I try everyone else method but sometimes you have to put your own little twist in it to get results.  I realize you won't get a winner everytime, but at least it will allow you to eliminate some plays.  Right now i'm conversing with another member about their method trying to eliminate some on my numbers.  To me that's how we learn to be cost effective, by having some way to narrow your play.  Thank you for sharing.

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I can do that here, you know.

If she read between the lines, she would see that it is a futile way of trying to win the pick 4. They don't work over the long haul. But, as I stated in my previous post, it will cost you a lot of money learning that little tidbit.

NC, I agree w/ pick, kudos for trying, but get back to basics and you will win more often. It was not meant to be an attack, but because it sounded like a lot of other people's post on systems on this site, I understand what you might have thought.

BTW pick, take a xanax & get to bed early. Everything will be alright...

inittowin, I'm new the P4 and P3 games.  I wasn't offended by your comment.  I very much so appreciate it.  I'm still learning everything and trying to find my own ways of getting hits.  I appreciate everyone's knowledge about these games and creating methods that may or may not work for one person. There are many methods that I see that aren't cost effective but the user works it to their advantage.

You're telling me to get back to the basics.  Okay, please explain the basics as I do not know what they are.  I hate when a person tries to tell someone that they are going in the wrong direction without leaving a sign that WILL point them into the right direction.  That's what we're all here for to share ideas and master the art of playing these numbers game.