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# Sums For P 4 Positional Triads

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Now let me repeat your Backtests for SC (04/11/14-04/20/14) above and calculate the Profit:

(Bet: \$1.00/each comb; Box/Str8=0.50/0.50; )

Date      Draw   Sum      Set                Bet                  Win                                Profit

04/11/M  6822     18     6491:1068   \$52X11=\$572   1XBox=\$100;                  -\$472.00(572-100)

04/17/E=1760(106X)

04/12/M  3771     18     6491:1068   \$52X10=\$520    1XBox=\$100;                    -\$420.00(520-100)

04/17/E=1760(106X)

04/14/M  4379     23     9073:7618    \$56X7=\$392     2XBox=\$200;                   -\$192.00(392-200)

04/15/M=7486(76X8)

04/17/E=1760(761X)

04/15/M  7486     25     2613:1420    \$56X4=\$224      1XBox=\$100;                   -\$124.00(224-100)

04/17/M=2014(142X)

04/15/M  7486     25     2613:1420    \$56X10=\$560    2XBox=\$200;                   -\$360.00(560-200)

04/17/M=2014(142X)

04/20/E=2863(26X3)

Any wrong above please let me know asap. Thanks a lots!

Best regards,

lb

I want you to read this, you might get a different perspective why backtesting is flawed whenyou have a random event, with each been unique.There is a difference between testing and backtesting, the latter deals with historical data(dynamics and time factors is history). Testing based on a assumed concept may be diffilcult to grasp.Wrap your mind around the statement below or read why backtesting is flawed for a random event, I see potential hits in all your supposedly backtesting, you do not see it!

When you backtest a theory, the results achieved are highly dependent on the movements of the tested period. Backtesting a theory assumes that what happens in the past will happen in the future, and this assumption can cause potential risks for the strategy.

For example, say you want to test a strategy based on the notion that Internet IPOs outperform the overall market. If you were to test this strategy during the dotcom boom years in the late 90s, the strategy would outperform the market significantly. However, trying the same strategy after the bubble burst would result in dismal returns. As you'll frequently hear: "past performance does not necessarily guarantee future returns".

NB> when  I chose a parameter, say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with time, is constant yesterday and next 1000 years, my concern is how to inteprete the RECURRENT SET of this SUM.

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SUMS for P4 Positional TRIADS> Using the concept of recurrence after varie simulations,locate your SUM off a DRAW SET for a BASE SETS for pick selections, note that the triads per Base set is reduced to just three (the drive pairs propels selections,is also a filter).

For a snap test, check  drive pairs  for trend indications, for eg if  the sum for a draw is 26, see the behavior of drive pair 4331(43+31).

Constructive suggestions is always welcome

NY data

Tue, Apr 22, 2014 Mon, Apr 21, 2014 Sun, Apr 20, 2014 Sat, Apr 19, 2014 4-1-3 4-5-9-0 2-4-3 2-2-5 0-6-6-8 5-0-8-9 1-4-3 4-2-9 3-8-8-4 4-6-1-0 7-6-5 6-6-7 4-3-0-1 5-7-6-4 6-3-6 1-1-0 7-0-7-6 3-9-1-3 4-1-6 0-5-6 0-7-6-2 2-8-6-1 7-3-4 3-6-5 6-6-9-7 8-1-1-6 5-5-8 0-7-2 6-0-5-4 4-6-9-9 8-4-4 4-8-5 2-4-9-5 1-0-6-9 8-5-6 9-7-5 4-8-3-4 5-6-4-7

Testing Sum sets (not back testing)> find identical sum a different event>>>>>>

19,22,20,16(1069)15,28 (4699 E) 28(6697),16(8116) , starting with the fact the value of  a sum is unique, sum 16 may occur different times but the value remains 16!, now lets take a look at the behavior sum 16 sets for dates 4-14 (1069), and 4-16 (8116), see the sets for  sum 16>2489,9670>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date          draw             sum            set                              hit

4-14          1069             16             2489,9670                  6697,0762,7076

4-16          8116             16             2489,9670                  0762,7076

4-15        4699              28              9138,1769                  6697,3913

4-16        6697              28              9138,1769                 3913

NB> My test is unique on the  SUM at moment, i need to create my odds, increase my bet for a RATIO.

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NY data

Tue, Apr 22, 2014 Mon, Apr 21, 2014 Sun, Apr 20, 2014 Sat, Apr 19, 2014 4-1-3 4-5-9-0 2-4-3 2-2-5 0-6-6-8 5-0-8-9 1-4-3 4-2-9 3-8-8-4 4-6-1-0 7-6-5 6-6-7 4-3-0-1 5-7-6-4 6-3-6 1-1-0 7-0-7-6 3-9-1-3 4-1-6 0-5-6 0-7-6-2 2-8-6-1 7-3-4 3-6-5 6-6-9-7 8-1-1-6 5-5-8 0-7-2 6-0-5-4 4-6-9-9 8-4-4 4-8-5 2-4-9-5 1-0-6-9 8-5-6 9-7-5 4-8-3-4 5-6-4-7

Testing Sum sets (not back testing)> find identical sum a different event>>>>>>

19,22,20,16(1069)15,28 (4699 E) 28(6697),16(8116) , starting with the fact the value of  a sum is unique, sum 16 may occur different times but the value remains 16!, now lets take a look at the behavior sum 16 sets for dates 4-14 (1069), and 4-16 (8116), see the sets for  sum 16>2489,9670>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date          draw             sum            set                              hit

4-14          1069             16             2489,9670                  6697,0762,7076

4-16          8116             16             2489,9670                  0762,7076

4-15        4699              28              9138,1769                  6697,3913

4-16        6697              28              9138,1769                 3913

NB> My test is unique on the  SUM at moment, i need to create my odds, increase my bet for a RATIO.

Now lets say my draw is 5647 (4-13) with sum 22 for sets 3872,2453, your focus and attention is here, increase in box bet is a nice ratio,how to select picks from the set? Drive digits and triad sequence is your filter>3872>387>382>372,     2453>245>243>253, best triad by sequence is 387 and 245, x should be  atmost 3 digits for  6 picks. Finding x has been discussed several times.

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I want you to read this, you might get a different perspective why backtesting is flawed whenyou have a random event, with each been unique.There is a difference between testing and backtesting, the latter deals with historical data(dynamics and time factors is history). Testing based on a assumed concept may be diffilcult to grasp.Wrap your mind around the statement below or read why backtesting is flawed for a random event, I see potential hits in all your supposedly backtesting, you do not see it!

When you backtest a theory, the results achieved are highly dependent on the movements of the tested period. Backtesting a theory assumes that what happens in the past will happen in the future, and this assumption can cause potential risks for the strategy.

For example, say you want to test a strategy based on the notion that Internet IPOs outperform the overall market. If you were to test this strategy during the dotcom boom years in the late 90s, the strategy would outperform the market significantly. However, trying the same strategy after the bubble burst would result in dismal returns. As you'll frequently hear: "past performance does not necessarily guarantee future returns".

NB> when  I chose a parameter, say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with time, is constant yesterday and next 1000 years, my concern is how to inteprete the RECURRENT SET of this SUM.

Your idea about Backtest and Test is very interesting even you have avoided the testing results of your

Strategy. You let me have the new knowledge to Backtest which is the common testing way to a new lotto

If my understanding is correct,  the Test is much better than Backtest according to your idea

because Backtest is flawed for a random event. As you said: "past performance does not necessarily

guarantee future returns". And you have used the way of Test to confirm your Strategy is working.

To be honest, my theory level is poor but my goal of playing lotto is very simple and clear that just is to get

a real profit by using a real working system.

So, could you let me know how can we get the real profit by using your Strategy?

"NB> when  I chose a parameter, say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with time, is constant yesterday and next 1000 years, my concern is how to inteprete the RECURRENT SET of this SUM."

"SUMS for P4 Positional TRIADS> Using the concept of recurrence after varie simulations,locate your SUM off a DRAW SET for a BASE SETS for pick selections, note that the triads per Base set is reduced to just three (the drive pairs propels selections,is also a filter)."

According to your explanation above, I think your concept of the P4 Chart is based on the RECURRENT SET

OF HISTORY SUM. It comes from your statistical analysis and varies simulations.

For example, 04/14/E=1069 in NY-P4, the Sum=16, so the next draw SETS should be 2489:9670, then we

can generate the Positional Triads for Pick Selections in the next draws, these Triads are 248x, 24x9, 2x89;

967x, 96x0, 9x70. Also, the X can be narrowed down by using some strategies.

I like your concept that from the Past Sum to find the future Triads!

But there are still two problems in your Strategy according to your Tests or my Backtests:

1) It's too difficult to get a Str8;

2) The Due Triads are huge (about 60) and have not yet the clear and efficacious strategies to narrow down

the combs of bet.

I do hope you can improve it further in the future!

Thanks for your hard work and nice sharing!

Best regards,

lb

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.
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NY data

Tue, Apr 22, 2014 Mon, Apr 21, 2014 Sun, Apr 20, 2014 Sat, Apr 19, 2014 4-1-3 4-5-9-0 2-4-3 2-2-5 0-6-6-8 5-0-8-9 1-4-3 4-2-9 3-8-8-4 4-6-1-0 7-6-5 6-6-7 4-3-0-1 5-7-6-4 6-3-6 1-1-0 7-0-7-6 3-9-1-3 4-1-6 0-5-6 0-7-6-2 2-8-6-1 7-3-4 3-6-5 6-6-9-7 8-1-1-6 5-5-8 0-7-2 6-0-5-4 4-6-9-9 8-4-4 4-8-5 2-4-9-5 1-0-6-9 8-5-6 9-7-5 4-8-3-4 5-6-4-7

Testing Sum sets (not back testing)> find identical sum a different event>>>>>>

19,22,20,16(1069)15,28 (4699 E) 28(6697),16(8116) , starting with the fact the value of  a sum is unique, sum 16 may occur different times but the value remains 16!, now lets take a look at the behavior sum 16 sets for dates 4-14 (1069), and 4-16 (8116), see the sets for  sum 16>2489,9670>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date          draw             sum            set                              hit

4-14          1069             16             2489,9670                  6697,0762,7076

4-16          8116             16             2489,9670                  0762,7076

4-15        4699              28              9138,1769                  6697,3913

4-16        6697              28              9138,1769                 3913

NB> My test is unique on the  SUM at moment, i need to create my odds, increase my bet for a RATIO.

Thanks for your Tests for NY-P4 again.

04/14/E=1069, the Sum=16, the Set=2489:9670,

and the Due Triads should be 248x, 24x9, 2x89, 967x, 96x0, 9x70.

So, the Win should be 04/16/M=6697(967x) only instead of  6697,0762,7076;

Also, 04/15/E=4699, the Sum=28, the Set=9138:1769,

and the Due Triads should be 913x, 91x8, 9x38, 176x, 17x9,  1x69.

So, the Win should be 04/18/E=3913(913x) only instead of 6697,3913.

Now let me repeat your Test above and calculate the Profit:

Date      Draw  Sum      Set               Bet                  Win                             Profit

04/14/E  1069    16     2489:9670       \$56X3=\$168   1XBox=\$200             +\$32.00(200-168)

04/16/M=6697(967X)

04/15/E  4699    28     9138:1769       \$56X6=\$336   1XBox=\$200             -\$104.00(336-200-32)

04/18/E=3913(913X)

04/16/M  6697   28     9138:1769       \$56X5=\$280    1XBox=\$200            -\$184.00(104+280-200)

04/18/E=3913(913X)

Any wrong above please let me know asap. Thanks a lots!

Best regards,

lb

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.
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Now lets say my draw is 5647 (4-13) with sum 22 for sets 3872,2453, your focus and attention is here, increase in box bet is a nice ratio,how to select picks from the set? Drive digits and triad sequence is your filter>3872>387>382>372,     2453>245>243>253, best triad by sequence is 387 and 245, x should be  atmost 3 digits for  6 picks. Finding x has been discussed several times.

Could you let me know why do you think the best triads by sequence is 387 and 245, x should be

almost 3  digits for  6 picks from the Set=3872:2453 for the next draws? Also, what are the 3 digits?

Today, NY-P4: 04/22/M=4590; The Sum=18. the Set=6491:1068,

So, could you tell me what're the best triads and the digits to get the 6 picks by the sequency for the next

draws in NY-P4?

Thanks for your sincere help and nice sharing!!!

Best regards,

lb

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.
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stick  to  the   pick   3    when  u   win  big  in   pick   then     play   around   with    pick    4

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stick  to  the   pick   3    when  u   win  big  in   pick   then     play   around   with    pick    4

sorry i have to disagree..........can't win big in cash 3.........i can play a cash 4 number 5 times fifty cent and win 500.00  play a cash 3 number 5

times fifty cent you only win 200.00   plus you can play a cash 4 number longer, and the invesment you have in a number can out last cash 3.  just

my opinion.......

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SUMS for P4 Positional TRIADS> Using the concept of recurrence after varie simulations,locate your SUM off a DRAW SET for a BASE SETS for pick selections, note that the triads per Base set is reduced to just three (the drive pairs propels selections,is also a filter).

For a snap test, check  drive pairs  for trend indications, for eg if  the sum for a draw is 26, see the behavior of drive pair 4331(43+31).

Constructive suggestions is always welcome

I really like this system.......adobea.....your sets.......are so close to my charts.........it is scary........i am just starting to add sums to my systems

and i like to wait til i see a sum  wayyyyyyy late......this way i feel i have control........over my choices.......my wins......thanks for sharing your mind

never stops does it.......and i am glad it don't

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sorry i have to disagree..........can't win big in cash 3.........i can play a cash 4 number 5 times fifty cent and win 500.00  play a cash 3 number 5

times fifty cent you only win 200.00   plus you can play a cash 4 number longer, and the invesment you have in a number can out last cash 3.  just

my opinion.......

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.

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Could you let me know why do you think the best triads by sequence is 387 and 245, x should be

almost 3  digits for  6 picks from the Set=3872:2453 for the next draws? Also, what are the 3 digits?

Today, NY-P4: 04/22/M=4590; The Sum=18. the Set=6491:1068,

So, could you tell me what're the best triads and the digits to get the 6 picks by the sequency for the next

draws in NY-P4?

Thanks for your sincere help and nice sharing!!!

Best regards,

lb

This seems exercise in futility, you have a preconceived ideal how a workout should be done, I say this infering to questions posed,no pun intended. Tools to filter is clearly stated in all my post and workouts, but you seem to missed them, either you're not reading them or you missed the context.

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I really like this system.......adobea.....your sets.......are so close to my charts.........it is scary........i am just starting to add sums to my systems

and i like to wait til i see a sum  wayyyyyyy late......this way i feel i have control........over my choices.......my wins......thanks for sharing your mind

never stops does it.......and i am glad it don't

You're right!

There is not the strategy which can find the Due Sum as a reference to narrow down

The both systems between yours and Adobea's have the same goal

that is to find the Due Triads from the past winning data (or sums).

But I think Adobea's Chart is not the way to find the Due Sum for next draws.

The Chart focus on how can find the Due Triads from the Past Sums.

I have checked the sums of Due Triads (Positional Triads) in any single Sum or Set

have included all sums from 0 to 36 almost.

For example, from the Sum=23, the Set=9073:7618, the Due Triads (56) are as below:

907x=9070 9071 9072 9073 9074 9075 9076 9077 9078 9079; Sum=16-25

90x3=9003 9013 9023 9033 9043 9053 9063 9073 9083 9093; Sum=12-21

9x73=9073 9173 9273 9373 9473 9573 9673 9773 9873 9973; Sum=19-28

761x=7610 7611 7612 7613 7614 7615 7616 7617 7618 7619; Sum=14-23

76x8=7608 7618 7628 7638 7648 7658 7668 7678 7688 7698; Sum=21-30

7x18=7018 7118 7218 7318 7418 7518 7618 7718 7818 7918; Sum=16-25

However, I'm still not clear how he can deduce the Due SETS from the past Sums?

Also, as he said: "I chose a parameter, say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with

time, is  constant yesterday and next 1000 years," Why? I'm still no idea about it until now.

Anyway, I like the Chart too!

I'm looking forward to your smart and constructive suggestion about the Chart!

Best regards,

lb

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.
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This seems exercise in futility, you have a preconceived ideal how a workout should be done, I say this infering to questions posed,no pun intended. Tools to filter is clearly stated in all my post and workouts, but you seem to missed them, either you're not reading them or you missed the context.

I'm sorry. It's not true!

In fact, your Posts and Workouts have made me in confusing status.

For example, in the Thread of  Sums For P 4 Positional Triads  you posted the Chart as below:

SUM=11; Sets=6298:1728; Drive Pairs=62:17; Due Triads=629x, 62x8, 6x98, 172x, 17x8, 1x28 ;

SUM=16; Sets=2489:9670; Drive Pairs=24:96; Due Triads=248x, 24x9, 2x89, 967x, 96x0, 9x70;

SUM=18; Sets=6491:1068; Drive Pairs=64:10; Due Triads=649x, 64x1, 6x91, 106x, 10x8, 1x68;

But in the Thread of USE SUMS 11,16, 18 for P4  just 16 days ago, you posted them as below:

SUM=11; Sets=1865:8460:0658; Drive Pairs=86:50; Due Triads=186x, 185x, 165x, 846x, 840x, 860x,...;

SUM=16; Sets=5947:2489:2045; Drive Pairs=54:92; Due Triads=594x, 597x, 547x, 248x, 249x, 289x,...;

SUM=18; Sets=7453:7052:4105; Drive Pairs=75:40; Due Triads=745x, 743x, 753x, 705x, 702x, 752x,...;

Comparing the two Threads above, we can find the results are different totally! Why???

You said:"say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with time, is constant  yesterday

and next 1000 years" today. But they have been changed completely within 16 days only!

Any wrong above please let me know asap. Thanks a lots!

Best regards,

lb

• Saying Lotto #s Can be Predicted means that Lotto's ODD can be reduced down  to an economical level by a system.
• Saying a Lotto System Works means that we can win constantly (not each draw)  and economically (get a real profit) by using the System.
• Practice is the only criterion for testing truth.

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I'm sorry. It's not true!

In fact, your Posts and Workouts have made me in confusing status.

For example, in the Thread of  Sums For P 4 Positional Triads  you posted the Chart as below:

SUM=11; Sets=6298:1728; Drive Pairs=62:17; Due Triads=629x, 62x8, 6x98, 172x, 17x8, 1x28 ;

SUM=16; Sets=2489:9670; Drive Pairs=24:96; Due Triads=248x, 24x9, 2x89, 967x, 96x0, 9x70;

SUM=18; Sets=6491:1068; Drive Pairs=64:10; Due Triads=649x, 64x1, 6x91, 106x, 10x8, 1x68;

But in the Thread of USE SUMS 11,16, 18 for P4  just 16 days ago, you posted them as below:

SUM=11; Sets=1865:8460:0658; Drive Pairs=86:50; Due Triads=186x, 185x, 165x, 846x, 840x, 860x,...;

SUM=16; Sets=5947:2489:2045; Drive Pairs=54:92; Due Triads=594x, 597x, 547x, 248x, 249x, 289x,...;

SUM=18; Sets=7453:7052:4105; Drive Pairs=75:40; Due Triads=745x, 743x, 753x, 705x, 702x, 752x,...;

Comparing the two Threads above, we can find the results are different totally! Why???

You said:"say SUM, the sum 18,19, 3......etc, does not change with time, is constant  yesterday

and next 1000 years" today. But they have been changed completely within 16 days only!

Any wrong above please let me know asap. Thanks a lots!

Best regards,

lb

The final chart of P4 overides earlier version,this does not mean the earlier set is not valid, you seem to look for problems where there is none, a sum value does not change, but its recurs changes within certain interval, all i did is summarizing and reducing the recurs(set) for a targeted wage., if you want to use the earlier version is still ok, your issue is not the sets, i do not know your issue, you seem to be all over the place. The method is simple> Every draw set when SUMMED Up recurs certain sets, use the set as your base for your picks, if you decide to play 20,30,40 picks is your strategy, not the system, I can reduce it only 6 or 8 picks and have already shown that  by keywords ' sequence, drive digits' and can't and will not repeat again, you need to take time to read my threads.

You are having issues with just two sets, imagine  four sets? what if sum 18 on that chart was  6491:1068:7453:7052:4105, will this change the underlinng concept of recurrence? try a test for sum 18 and  see that the sets are valid. I think this will be my last response, unless is something about the concept.

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Could you let me know why do you think the best triads by sequence is 387 and 245, x should be

almost 3  digits for  6 picks from the Set=3872:2453 for the next draws? Also, what are the 3 digits?

Today, NY-P4: 04/22/M=4590; The Sum=18. the Set=6491:1068,

So, could you tell me what're the best triads and the digits to get the 6 picks by the sequency for the next

draws in NY-P4?

Thanks for your sincere help and nice sharing!!!

Best regards,

lb

Today, NY-P4: 04/22/M=4590; The Sum=18. the Set=6491:1068,

tonite draw was  8156, clear example of you missing the concept and not focusing on essentials.What was the 2 most frequent digit of last 5 draws before tonite draws? your drive digits for  the two sets were 6, 1, priority triads were 649, 641 and 106,108.

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