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Are people changing the way they play the lottery?

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Posted: November 20, 2014, 6:09 am - IP Logged

Hi RJOH,

I understand when you said if you aren't getting the results you want why do the same thing. That's why I am thinking of little ways to change things up a bit. For myself I find it easier to do QP's since I buy just one draw ticket at a time. I was getting a bit stressed out when I was trying to do an analysis and pick my own numbers ( though at times I was a bit more successful than using QP's but that was when I was buying more than one draw ticket at a time). What is OCL is that your states lottery game? It's good that you are looking for better playing strategies. Good luck to you.

OCL stands for Ohio's Classic Lotto, our 6/49 game.

Note: I use RC5 when I'm talking about Rolling Cash5, our pick 5/39 game.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: November 20, 2014, 9:29 am - IP Logged

    Sounds like your in a dead zone for scratch offs wins like i am. It's good because it helps me not play.

    Hi RedStang,

    The dead zone you mentioned was not so much the issue as much as my losing more than winning was. Sorry you are in a dead zone but if it helps you play less as you said that is a good thing. In my town we ended up having 3 or 4 people winning 1 million jackpots and we had someone win a 4 million jackpot on a scratch ticket within the past 2 or 3 years. After that happened I realized the chance of another person winning a big one in my town would be very slim. The problem with scratch tickets is the fact that you have to be in the right place at the right time to win a jackpot ticket and since the printout run on say a 5 dollar ticket might be 25 million tickets and only 5 people will win the jackpot it's truly a needle in a haystack. Also the fact that my state has about 7,000 or more retailers selling scratch tickets make it nearly impossible to win. You also have to take into account that if someone wins 1 million on a scratch ticket and they take the lump sum , they do not start off with a million, they get a lump sum of 650,000, minus in the  taxes and it is probably more like 400,000 (something like that). I like saving myself money and just buying my 1 draw ticket instead when I now play. I wish you good luck and you should feel good about spending less on the lottery.

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      Posted: November 20, 2014, 9:40 am - IP Logged

      I've started playing online, so now I can play the US and European lotteries. I used to only play my local lotteries but now I can play 'em all online!

      Hi noahwill,

      Good luck with your playing online that is not something that I've ever done.

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        Posted: November 20, 2014, 10:05 am - IP Logged

        OCL stands for Ohio's Classic Lotto, our 6/49 game.

        Note: I use RC5 when I'm talking about Rolling Cash5, our pick 5/39 game.

        Hi RJOh,

        Thanks for explaing what OCL and RC5 is. With your OCL it seems like someone can win milloins which we had that game in my state. I never play our states Megabucks game and don't play our states Mass Cash anymore because the top prize is just 100k and I only won 10 dollars twice by matching 3 numbers out of 5.

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          I am with you Haymaker. I "usually" won't play that JC5 for less then 250ish as well.

          My flawed way of thinking is I wouldn't want to "waste" my win on anything that cannot

          payoff the mortgage and these kids college tuition. 

          That being said I can't even hit a lousy 50/50 at the local HS Football game.

          No flaw there, getting rid of large debts is what it's all about w/ the small games.

          Just got back from buying a ticket for tonight, it's now 816g last night was 600some night before 400some...

          so these have been trips to the store for just that.

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            Posted: November 20, 2014, 11:51 am - IP Logged

            Hi haymaker,

            It sounds like you play responsibly by keeping things in check and having 1 routine store along with the 4 other occasional places you play at. For myself it doesn't matter what the PB jackpot is in terms of buying a ticket. In terms of MM because the 5/75 matrix make it nearly impossible to get a second place prize I tend to wait until that jackpot gets very high before I will play it. I am not sure what a JC5 is we don't have that in my state. Good luck to you.

            JC5 = Jersey cash 5, a 5/43 rollover game w/ a starting JP of 75G

            just 2 months since it changed from a 5/40 rollover game, that's when I stopped w/ my own #s and playing every draw.

            There have been other changes to this game over the last 18 years I been playing it.

            It started out just once a week as a 5/38 game no rollover and the JP went to players w/ 4/5 if no one had 5/5

             

            I used to play every draw of PB and MM, now I realize that's just building it, hardly ever hits on the base.

            Good luck to you as well !

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              Posted: November 20, 2014, 12:39 pm - IP Logged

              JC5 = Jersey cash 5, a 5/43 rollover game w/ a starting JP of 75G

              just 2 months since it changed from a 5/40 rollover game, that's when I stopped w/ my own #s and playing every draw.

              There have been other changes to this game over the last 18 years I been playing it.

              It started out just once a week as a 5/38 game no rollover and the JP went to players w/ 4/5 if no one had 5/5

               

              I used to play every draw of PB and MM, now I realize that's just building it, hardly ever hits on the base.

              Good luck to you as well !

              Sounds like you JC5 game is similar to our RC5 game(Rolling Cash5 - 5/39 which starts with a $100K jackpot and rolls to someone wins it)

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                Posted: November 21, 2014, 12:30 am - IP Logged

                I am focusing more on playing our state's 6/43 game rather then powerball or mega millions.

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                  I am focusing more on playing our state's 6/43 game rather then powerball or mega millions.

                  Hi Goteki54,

                  I think you are smart to focus on your States game since State games have better odds of winning than PB or MM. Good luck.

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                    Posted: November 21, 2014, 11:31 am - IP Logged

                    Sounds like you JC5 game is similar to our RC5 game(Rolling Cash5 - 5/39 which starts with a $100K jackpot and rolls to someone wins it)

                    Your RC5 game sounds better, how often does it hit ?

                    I wonder how they can offer 100K on a starter when Jersey has to go 5/43 just to offer 75K ?

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                      Posted: November 21, 2014, 1:35 pm - IP Logged

                      Your RC5 game sounds better, how often does it hit ?

                      I wonder how they can offer 100K on a starter when Jersey has to go 5/43 just to offer 75K ?

                      RC5 is structured differently, it pays $1 for a match2, $10 for a match3 and $300 for match4 which is less than NJ5 pays.  Both games aim to payout 50% of sales in prizes but accomplished it differently with different payout amounts and starting jackpots.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        Posted: November 21, 2014, 2:40 pm - IP Logged

                        Hi everyone,

                        Do some of you change the way you play the lottery? For instance if you played only 2 or 5 dollar scratch tickets have you started to play the 10 or 20 dollar scratchers? Have you cut back on your spending or are you playing more? Have you decided to try your luck in places you haven't played at before? I've mentioned before about my cutting back on my spending and tend to buy my PB and Lucky for Life draw tickets at 1 or 2 places but I think it might not hurt to play in towns and places I haven't played in just to change things up a bit.

                        I started out Pick3, then switched to scratch-offs. Doesn't make sense to play a 50% payout game when there are 60-70%+ games for the same price.

                        Now I play almost exclusively $20 games (whatever has the best odds, really), but occasionally I will play a draw game if the jackpot has rolled close to the top percentile. Location, meh, I don't think it matters much but I will vary my play if I think a pack at one store has all the good winners gone.

                        I definitely haven't played as much this year as last year or the year before, but amusingly I am winning more dollar-wise.

                        If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                        If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                        2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                        P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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                          RC5 is structured differently, it pays $1 for a match2, $10 for a match3 and $300 for match4 which is less than NJ5 pays.  Both games aim to payout 50% of sales in prizes but accomplished it differently with different payout amounts and starting jackpots.

                          OK, that makes sense now,

                          JC5 pays 0 for 2/5

                          $11 + - for 3/5

                          $600 + - for 4/5

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                            Posted: November 21, 2014, 9:15 pm - IP Logged

                            I started out Pick3, then switched to scratch-offs. Doesn't make sense to play a 50% payout game when there are 60-70%+ games for the same price.

                            Now I play almost exclusively $20 games (whatever has the best odds, really), but occasionally I will play a draw game if the jackpot has rolled close to the top percentile. Location, meh, I don't think it matters much but I will vary my play if I think a pack at one store has all the good winners gone.

                            I definitely haven't played as much this year as last year or the year before, but amusingly I am winning more dollar-wise.

                            It really doesn't matter what % they say the payouts are if you aren't getting any of it.  I prefer games with random drawings that I can observe if I wish, that way I can judge for myself if I came close enough to winning something that it's worth trying again.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              It really doesn't matter what % they say the payouts are if you aren't getting any of it.  I prefer games with random drawings that I can observe if I wish, that way I can judge for myself if I came close enough to winning something that it's worth trying again.

                              It really doesn't matter what % they say the payouts are if you aren't getting any of it. 

                              Somewhat true I guess, but the same can be said about draw games, because the majority payout % in those go to fund jackpots. Why would you play a game where only 50% is returned to players and 60% of that is paid to one person? Why not play a game where 70% is returned to players and only 10-20% is paid to jackpot winners, yet the top prize is still noteworthy and you win far more often? That's one of the reasons scratch-off sales exponentially exceed drawing sales.

                              For any game they disclose exactly how many combinations win and the respective payoffs, so you can calculate the payout % yourself. It's simple math really and over time the actual payout converges on the theoretical/advertised. This has proved true in my own play and I don't doubt it does for others too.

                              People like the draw games because they feel more random yet more controllable (i.e. "you pick the numbers") but in reality for any game, you will win through luck. It doesn't matter to me if the game is tic-tac-toe or pick 10, if it has the best overall odds of winning and a decent payout that is what I play.

                              But that's the economist in me talking. I know the majority of players just choose what's most fun Smile

                              If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                              If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                              2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                              P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1