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I have been working on a process that uses very large data blocks in hopes of finding winners in categories of various filters, whose history I can track. My Idea was to Run 10-12 Scenarios (Filter Combinations) for Pick 3. Combining 2 filters per Position produces 64 Combinations of those filters. That means there are 640 Lines of combinations to choose from. The Winning Combination is in Each Group of 64. I have been running back tests to look at each group trying to predict the Winning Combination in each Group.
Most of you think I am wasting my time and are probably right. For example, my Run for today selected 31 Lines out of 640. Those lines contained 766 of the 1000 Triads possible. It is a lot of work (for Excel) to select these lines based on several ranking systems I am experimenting with. Success is Terrible. Most games there are no hits. Once in a while there is 1 Line that hits and I have only seen 2 lines hit a few times in over 1200 game back tests..
It sure looks like the system does not work. It just can’t seem to pick the winner so what good is it. Well Right now it is pretty good at finding 75% of the Triads that don’t win. I next will start to look at the 25% Triads that Won in those Tests.
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I get confused about the Where here on LP. Seemed Like a System Question to me. I get that by custom this is Where specifics are discussed not general ideas. Todd will move it if it is in the Wrong Forum.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Jun 17, 2016
I have been working on a process that uses very large data blocks in hopes of finding winners in categories of various filters, whose history I can track. My Idea was to Run 10-12 Scenarios (Filter Combinations) for Pick 3. Combining 2 filters per Position produces 64 Combinations of those filters. That means there are 640 Lines of combinations to choose from. The Winning Combination is in Each Group of 64. I have been running back tests to look at each group trying to predict the Winning Combination in each Group.
Most of you think I am wasting my time and are probably right. For example, my Run for today selected 31 Lines out of 640. Those lines contained 766 of the 1000 Triads possible. It is a lot of work (for Excel) to select these lines based on several ranking systems I am experimenting with. Success is Terrible. Most games there are no hits. Once in a while there is 1 Line that hits and I have only seen 2 lines hit a few times in over 1200 game back tests..
It sure looks like the system does not work. It just can’t seem to pick the winner so what good is it. Well Right now it is pretty good at finding 75% of the Triads that don’t win. I next will start to look at the 25% Triads that Won in those Tests.
You sound like you are starting from the position of Randomness, and going through a lot of headache for Pick 3. Pick 3 isn't worth all of this anxiety. Pick 4 pays more $$$ !!! However, for both Pick 3/4 , you are complicating the SIMPLE !!! Just choose an easy Pick 3 system to work with, and figure out your wagering strategy to maximize your profits. Lotto Laughs "Patience is a Virtue" system is one of my favoritesimplepair systems, b/cit works well in the state of South Carolina.
When I typed in "Patience is a Virtue" in "Search for Something", Date Range: "All History", and Forum: "Lottery System" >>> for some reason, the database DID NOT search back to 2009. It stopped searching at July 25, 2010. I had to go into Lotto Laughs Profile under her "Favorites" to find this post under her "Favorite Forum Posts" :
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Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jun 17, 2016
You sound like you are starting from the position of Randomness, and going through a lot of headache for Pick 3. Pick 3 isn't worth all of this anxiety. Pick 4 pays more $$$ !!! However, for both Pick 3/4 , you are complicating the SIMPLE !!! Just choose an easy Pick 3 system to work with, and figure out your wagering strategy to maximize your profits. Lotto Laughs "Patience is a Virtue" system is one of my favoritesimplepair systems, b/cit works well in the state of South Carolina.
When I typed in "Patience is a Virtue" in "Search for Something", Date Range: "All History", and Forum: "Lottery System" >>> for some reason, the database DID NOT search back to 2009. It stopped searching at July 25, 2010. I had to go into Lotto Laughs Profile under her "Favorites" to find this post under her "Favorite Forum Posts" :
Why didn't the database search back to 2009 for "All History" ???
Yeah, I can't help it, That's Just Me. I always have to Start from Scratch. It is my Learning Process. I know it sounds complicated; but, What I am Doing is really Basic. It is just a Variation of Divide and Concur, which is the Path I am on right now. In the End, If I hit some Straights, I will continue. If Not, I will contemplate another Path.
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Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on Jun 17, 2016
You sound like you are starting from the position of Randomness, and going through a lot of headache for Pick 3. Pick 3 isn't worth all of this anxiety. Pick 4 pays more $$$ !!! However, for both Pick 3/4 , you are complicating the SIMPLE !!! Just choose an easy Pick 3 system to work with, and figure out your wagering strategy to maximize your profits. Lotto Laughs "Patience is a Virtue" system is one of my favoritesimplepair systems, b/cit works well in the state of South Carolina.
When I typed in "Patience is a Virtue" in "Search for Something", Date Range: "All History", and Forum: "Lottery System" >>> for some reason, the database DID NOT search back to 2009. It stopped searching at July 25, 2010. I had to go into Lotto Laughs Profile under her "Favorites" to find this post under her "Favorite Forum Posts" :
Why didn't the database search back to 2009 for "All History" ???
Find a system you can understand, get really good at it, and use it to "trap". You'll know when it feels right to double up or triple up on a combo or combo's. And when..........to watch.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Jun 17, 2016
I have been working on a process that uses very large data blocks in hopes of finding winners in categories of various filters, whose history I can track. My Idea was to Run 10-12 Scenarios (Filter Combinations) for Pick 3. Combining 2 filters per Position produces 64 Combinations of those filters. That means there are 640 Lines of combinations to choose from. The Winning Combination is in Each Group of 64. I have been running back tests to look at each group trying to predict the Winning Combination in each Group.
Most of you think I am wasting my time and are probably right. For example, my Run for today selected 31 Lines out of 640. Those lines contained 766 of the 1000 Triads possible. It is a lot of work (for Excel) to select these lines based on several ranking systems I am experimenting with. Success is Terrible. Most games there are no hits. Once in a while there is 1 Line that hits and I have only seen 2 lines hit a few times in over 1200 game back tests..
It sure looks like the system does not work. It just can’t seem to pick the winner so what good is it. Well Right now it is pretty good at finding 75% of the Triads that don’t win. I next will start to look at the 25% Triads that Won in those Tests.
I'll be blunt.
Why are you wasting time and energy on a method that won't help you win a dime????
The most important question in lottery analysis is - WHAT'S NEXT??
The answer(s) are found in trend data having clues, or triggers, or whatever, that point to 'best answers' from a large field of possibilities.
For example, if 248 was the last winning combination, what hard data do you have that makes you think that '942' is next???
Very little or a whole lot, like maybe 100 possibilities.
So, you spend $100, or $50 to cover all the bases.
Wham, the one triad that you didn't look at is the winner!!!
Unfortunately, the triad method is a loser because there just isn't enough repetition to build useful trend charts.
Ok, you could win by combination of chance and luck, but, it isn't worth it - in my humble opinion, of course.
Now, there are folks who claim they are winning lots of money, MonEl for one, by using certain filters that separate the triads into winners and losers,
but there isn't much hard evidence to suggest that the method is profitable.
You asked the question, I've given you an answer, which is, try something else!!
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Jun 18, 2016
I'll be blunt.
Why are you wasting time and energy on a method that won't help you win a dime????
The most important question in lottery analysis is - WHAT'S NEXT??
The answer(s) are found in trend data having clues, or triggers, or whatever, that point to 'best answers' from a large field of possibilities.
For example, if 248 was the last winning combination, what hard data do you have that makes you think that '942' is next???
Very little or a whole lot, like maybe 100 possibilities.
So, you spend $100, or $50 to cover all the bases.
Wham, the one triad that you didn't look at is the winner!!!
Unfortunately, the triad method is a loser because there just isn't enough repetition to build useful trend charts.
Ok, you could win by combination of chance and luck, but, it isn't worth it - in my humble opinion, of course.
Now, there are folks who claim they are winning lots of money, MonEl for one, by using certain filters that separate the triads into winners and losers,
but there isn't much hard evidence to suggest that the method is profitable.
You asked the question, I've given you an answer, which is, try something else!!
I appreciate the advice; but, for me it is premature. You assume that my process lacks valuable Trend Data. Your conclusions are understandable since I have not been specific about the process. I have a New Trend. I have not found this idea used before in a search of LP Forums or Google for that matter. In the process of trying to predict the "Next", I created a scenario that Ranked the next option using the FART Filter posted by ithastobesaid. The process was not able to predict the next triad but it seemed to weed out about 75% of the Triads on a consistent basis.
My point with this Post was to suggest that sometimes that before giving up on a selection (prediction) process, one should look at it's value as an eliminator.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Jun 17, 2016
I have been working on a process that uses very large data blocks in hopes of finding winners in categories of various filters, whose history I can track. My Idea was to Run 10-12 Scenarios (Filter Combinations) for Pick 3. Combining 2 filters per Position produces 64 Combinations of those filters. That means there are 640 Lines of combinations to choose from. The Winning Combination is in Each Group of 64. I have been running back tests to look at each group trying to predict the Winning Combination in each Group.
Most of you think I am wasting my time and are probably right. For example, my Run for today selected 31 Lines out of 640. Those lines contained 766 of the 1000 Triads possible. It is a lot of work (for Excel) to select these lines based on several ranking systems I am experimenting with. Success is Terrible. Most games there are no hits. Once in a while there is 1 Line that hits and I have only seen 2 lines hit a few times in over 1200 game back tests..
It sure looks like the system does not work. It just can’t seem to pick the winner so what good is it. Well Right now it is pretty good at finding 75% of the Triads that don’t win. I next will start to look at the 25% Triads that Won in those Tests.
I question for thought:
What is easier to predict (and more cost effective): numbers out of 10 or triads out of 1000?
I never bother with predicting triads, just too many combinations and not sufficient repetitions to make meaningful predictions.
Pick 5 out of 10 and wheel them at your convenience. Use your favorite prediction method (I usually opt for the latest hots as they have the best scoring ratio - most of the time):
Straight singles or doubles - 60 bets.
Box singles: 10 bets
Box doubles: 20 bets.
And why wheel only 5 out of 10? My sims indicate the best ROI comes with 7 or 8 out of 10, playing box either singles or doubles. For singles the hit rate is about 40%, for doubles in the range of 70-90% (and that's a clear indication why you should always hunt doubles if the conditions appear favourable, i.e. no doubles drawn in a long time).
I always subscribed to the KISS method of doing things, including lotteries. For me complicating matters usually results in a greater difficulty in understanding what's going on. And if you play for real money this may lead to unnecessary waste.
