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Posted: October 23, 2016, 3:24 pm - IP Logged

Hi all had a question and hope someone can answer this. I figured this to be the best forum to ask.

So anyway lets say you have a pick 3 or 4 system or even a system for the bigger games like mega millions and your system looks good when back testing and you get brave enough to make some real bets to see how well your system does.

When you buy your tickets does it change the outcome of the game. Meaning do you lessen your chances of winning when you buy your tickets.

I've always wondered about this.

Thanks all. I know you're all busy and any feedback would be appreciated.

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    They Call It: The Law of Attraction!

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      Hi all had a question and hope someone can answer this. I figured this to be the best forum to ask.

      So anyway lets say you have a pick 3 or 4 system or even a system for the bigger games like mega millions and your system looks good when back testing and you get brave enough to make some real bets to see how well your system does.

      When you buy your tickets does it change the outcome of the game. Meaning do you lessen your chances of winning when you buy your tickets.

      I've always wondered about this.

      Thanks all. I know you're all busy and any feedback would be appreciated.

      "do you lessen your chances of winning when you buy your tickets."

      Buying tickets improves your chances of winning over not buying any at all, you can't participate unless you have a ticket.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: October 23, 2016, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

        Thanks RJOh. When back testing a system it can look good but when we buy tickets i believe it changes the number patterns being every ticket bought changes the final outcome of the drawing. Lets say we buy 30 tickets generated from a specific system that we back tested and it looked good on the back testing. But when back testing we made no actual bets making the system look good. When we actually buy tickets wouldn't it change the final outcome of the drawing.

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          No. I've also wondered about this in a sense. But what you're saying has to do with the belief in luck. You're implying that the machines are all connected with each other and communicating in a way that understands which bets are being placed and why. At least that's what I think you're implying. But that's just absurd.

          The point I think that is important for you to understand is that even if the next time the result is not what you wanted or expected, do not just throw your beliefs or system away and give up on it. Because after all you back tested it and it showed promising results. Perhaps it will again, if you just give it time and are patient with it.

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            Every thing is connected (David Bohm:Universe) and in constant state of change thus creating new opportunities, can you can catch the vibrational hz changes ???

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              Posted: October 23, 2016, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

              Thanks RJOh. When back testing a system it can look good but when we buy tickets i believe it changes the number patterns being every ticket bought changes the final outcome of the drawing. Lets say we buy 30 tickets generated from a specific system that we back tested and it looked good on the back testing. But when back testing we made no actual bets making the system look good. When we actually buy tickets wouldn't it change the final outcome of the drawing.

              What are you back testing will happen?  A certain combination will repeat or a certain pattern will repeat?

              In pick3 certain combinations do repeat but they seldom do in jackpot games and in jackpot games when patterns repeat they could include thousands of combinations.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: October 24, 2016, 12:21 am - IP Logged

                Hi all had a question and hope someone can answer this. I figured this to be the best forum to ask.

                So anyway lets say you have a pick 3 or 4 system or even a system for the bigger games like mega millions and your system looks good when back testing and you get brave enough to make some real bets to see how well your system does.

                When you buy your tickets does it change the outcome of the game. Meaning do you lessen your chances of winning when you buy your tickets.

                I've always wondered about this.

                Thanks all. I know you're all busy and any feedback would be appreciated.

                Is all about probability, the number of tickets are your ODDS against the remnant combinations. Every draw of P3 is starts with unique  ratio 1/000, so betting 10 sets(10 tickets) is a chance (odds) you take against 990 remaining sets. Try to understand how probability works by focusing on the data 0123456789 and use the binomial format as your filter(ODDS).

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                  Posted: October 24, 2016, 12:36 pm - IP Logged

                  The butterfly effect says that everything can affect any future event. If it's true in regard to an effect on seemingly unrelated things like the lottery whether or not you win might depend on whether or not I scratch my nose this afternoon. If the butterfly effect doesn't have any effect on lottery results then what you do won't have any effect either.

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                    Thanks for the replies all. Just wanted to see what you all thought about this. I always viewed it as kind of like when you play a slot machine at a casino. Each spin effects future outcome.

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                      Posted: October 28, 2016, 8:43 am - IP Logged

                      Thanks RJOh. When back testing a system it can look good but when we buy tickets i believe it changes the number patterns being every ticket bought changes the final outcome of the drawing. Lets say we buy 30 tickets generated from a specific system that we back tested and it looked good on the back testing. But when back testing we made no actual bets making the system look good. When we actually buy tickets wouldn't it change the final outcome of the drawing.

                      I don't believe you intended to suggest the draw would be influenced by someone in authority putting a finger on the scale [though that evidently has occasionally happened].  If that were the case, whomever was in charge of operating the draws would have to examine all the numbers bought before the draw, then make certain by whatever means, that none of those numbers were the whole jackpot winners.

                      Seems to me that is within the range of possibility.

                      But the fact of you attempting to create a 'system' to predict the outcome of the draws presupposes a lot of issues.  The entire institution of gambling ...... lotteries, casinos and players, base their trust on the premise there's no method, whether statistical, logical, metaphysical, to either influence, or predict the outcome of future draws.  And the overwhelming preponderance of 'scientific' belief supports that supposition by the gambling interests.

                      However, science is merely a method of observing physical phenomena and hypothesizing explanations for what is observed.  Then testing the hypothesis, revising it, observing, revising and testing ad infinitum.   Which is what you appear to be doing with your 'back testing'.

                      Whether your back testing reveals some flaw in conventional scientific wisdom or fails in that regard doesn't alter the fact that what you are doing is science.  In a far more authentic way than merely memorizing the work of men  elsewhere  who observed, created theory, tested and published them for others to quote back at one another as though theory is, in fact, fact.

                      Maybe you've come across a whole new arena of observable phenomena to observe and d hypothesize about [and of course, test]: the   implied premise of your original question. 

                      You certainly aren't alone.  A certain breed of gamblers give lip service to conventional science when it suits their purposes, but they still believe they can beat the system. 

                      Good luck  with your science.

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                        The butterfly effect says that everything can affect any future event. If it's true in regard to an effect on seemingly unrelated things like the lottery whether or not you win might depend on whether or not I scratch my nose this afternoon. If the butterfly effect doesn't have any effect on lottery results then what you do won't have any effect either.

                        "whether or not I scratch my nose this afternoon."

                        The Butterfly effect is all the things that could happen because you scratched your nose. But it doesn't necessarily mean that will effect everything including a lottery drawing. Even if scratching a nose changes the timing of the drawing, who can say what the result would be hadn't their nose itched?

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                          I don't believe you intended to suggest the draw would be influenced by someone in authority putting a finger on the scale [though that evidently has occasionally happened].  If that were the case, whomever was in charge of operating the draws would have to examine all the numbers bought before the draw, then make certain by whatever means, that none of those numbers were the whole jackpot winners.

                          Seems to me that is within the range of possibility.

                          But the fact of you attempting to create a 'system' to predict the outcome of the draws presupposes a lot of issues.  The entire institution of gambling ...... lotteries, casinos and players, base their trust on the premise there's no method, whether statistical, logical, metaphysical, to either influence, or predict the outcome of future draws.  And the overwhelming preponderance of 'scientific' belief supports that supposition by the gambling interests.

                          However, science is merely a method of observing physical phenomena and hypothesizing explanations for what is observed.  Then testing the hypothesis, revising it, observing, revising and testing ad infinitum.   Which is what you appear to be doing with your 'back testing'.

                          Whether your back testing reveals some flaw in conventional scientific wisdom or fails in that regard doesn't alter the fact that what you are doing is science.  In a far more authentic way than merely memorizing the work of men  elsewhere  who observed, created theory, tested and published them for others to quote back at one another as though theory is, in fact, fact.

                          Maybe you've come across a whole new arena of observable phenomena to observe and d hypothesize about [and of course, test]: the   implied premise of your original question. 

                          You certainly aren't alone.  A certain breed of gamblers give lip service to conventional science when it suits their purposes, but they still believe they can beat the system. 

                          Good luck  with your science.

                          The entire institution of gambling ...... lotteries, casinos and players, base their trust on the premise there's no method, whether statistical, logical, metaphysical, to either influence, or predict the outcome of future draws. 

                          I hope that we don't forget the name of Ken Uston, card counter extraordinaire. His card counting system (w/o computer) still resonates to this day as the Best of the Best. MAY HE REST IN PEACE !

                          Sometimes it's extremely difficult if not practically impossible to get people to disregard the smoke and mirrors.  Instead, they seem to enjoy the ride down the proverbial Garden Path....... helpless to extricate themselves from being totally deceived by known forces in their midst who would argue that they have come here for the sole purpose of helping people.......str8ca$hhomie

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                            The entire institution of gambling ...... lotteries, casinos and players, base their trust on the premise there's no method, whether statistical, logical, metaphysical, to either influence, or predict the outcome of future draws. 

                            I hope that we don't forget the name of Ken Uston, card counter extraordinaire. His card counting system (w/o computer) still resonates to this day as the Best of the Best. MAY HE REST IN PEACE !

                            I don't know whether I forgot that name or perhaps never knew it.   However,  so far as I can discern someone counting cards has little or nothing to do with the hope or belief of someone attempting to devise a system to predict, or influence the 'random' numbers of the lottery.  The limitations of a deck of 52 playing cards differ enough from the myriad numbers in a lottery to lend credence to the probability you're joking.

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                              I don't know whether I forgot that name or perhaps never knew it.   However,  so far as I can discern someone counting cards has little or nothing to do with the hope or belief of someone attempting to devise a system to predict, or influence the 'random' numbers of the lottery.  The limitations of a deck of 52 playing cards differ enough from the myriad numbers in a lottery to lend credence to the probability you're joking.

                              Of course, of course, Mr Josephus Minimus it's only lip service as you suggest. What the hell do we know??

                              Sometimes it's extremely difficult if not practically impossible to get people to disregard the smoke and mirrors.  Instead, they seem to enjoy the ride down the proverbial Garden Path....... helpless to extricate themselves from being totally deceived by known forces in their midst who would argue that they have come here for the sole purpose of helping people.......str8ca$hhomie