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Lottotree12

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Jul 3, 2017, 2:56 pm

Shouldn't we be calculating numbers (wheels,system,etc...) for future wins instead of present.I think most people base their number

selection on the very last draw date and not pre-draw tests.
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Jul 3, 2017, 3:16 pm

Because that's all most of us have. Hardly any states publish pre-draw tests. Who does, anyone know? Besides Tx, that is.
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wow. know wonder it's so difficult to hit the jackpot
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Jul 3, 2017, 6:08 pm

LOL! I emailed the WI lottery for a list of all pre-draws. They told me I had to submit a freedom of information request and that it would cost me money to do so. Screw them! Even with pre-draw there's a pattern/trend. Only thing is, you're looking at 2 or 3 different patterns instead of one. Good luck.

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Jul 3, 2017, 6:13 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 3, 2017
LOL! I emailed the WI lottery for a list of all pre-draws. They told me I had to submit a freedom of information request and that it would cost me money to do so. Screw them! Even with pre-draw there's a pattern/trend. Only thing is, you're looking at 2 or 3 different patterns instead of one. Good luck.

Get together a group to submit the request, so the cost will be lower.
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Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on Jul 3, 2017
Get together a group to submit the request, so the cost will be lower.

Those pre-test numbers should be posted on the lottery website for every drawing when the winning numbers are printed. If lottery numbers (RNG) are totally random, what are they afraid of? Random numbers have no pattern....Right?

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Jul 4, 2017, 2:27 am

Quote: Originally posted by Lottotree12 on Jul 3, 2017
Shouldn't we be calculating numbers (wheels,system,etc...) for future wins instead of present.I think most people base their number

selection on the very last draw date and not pre-draw tests.

"and not pre-draw tests."

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Jul 4, 2017, 9:39 am

Outside of lottery systems, this is probably the most controversial topic discussed at LP...with good reason. We've debated on why they even conduct these tests as they surely expedite wear and tear on the machines which we pay for but, have no say so regarding this. Then, and most of all, the biggest concern seems to be their reasoning with as to why they actually implement pre-test draws. They say it's to promote fairness, randomness, and to ensure the integrity of the draw but pretty much every player that actually understands what they're really doing calls it totally complete unadulterated. My honest opinion on this will always remain the same and it's this: even though they simply label those draws as pre-tests, those corresponding numbers and combos were still drawn which directly affects the probability of a given thing either happening or not happening. My argument is centered around the law(s) of recurrence based on their direct tampering of the numbers. There are many debates on this.

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Jul 4, 2017, 9:46 am

Quote: Originally posted by Lottotree12 on Jul 3, 2017
Shouldn't we be calculating numbers (wheels,system,etc...) for future wins instead of present.I think most people base their number

selection on the very last draw date and not pre-draw tests.

You might be wasting your time, you forget that any-one draws doesn't have anything to do with any other draw, or so they say, they say that lottery games are "random" games or games of chance.

I say that lottery "things" are related to or with each other by the use of their statistics, so I would only use the "actual" published winning draws for making lottery predictions and not any pre and or post draws results, use pre draws to make pre-draws predictions, use post draws to make post-draws predictions, use the actual published winning draws to make winning draws predictions.

Why complicate things, when any-one draw doesn't have anything at all to do with any other draw and they are only related thru the use of statistics?

So only use the statistics of the actual published winning draws.

Those who claim that they can't predict the winning numbers due to the pre and or post draws, can't predict the winning numbers due to:

Lottery games are games of chance (random).

Any-one number has as much of a chance as any other number.

One number and or lottery ball, doesn't have anything at all to do with any other number and or lottery ball, the same for multiple numbers and balls.

Some funny people say that the numbers and the balls don't have a memory and it is true.

Every single drawing is totally independent from any other drawing.

At every lottery drawing each of the 1000 straight pick 3 numbers has a 1/1000 chance, always.

And last, but not least, there are 3 things:

The handling of the drawings, mechanical and computer and how they do those things.

Chance.

And your or the program's prediction logic.

Of course, you are only in control of your own prediction logic.

There might be limits to "predict-ability" and such limits might be somewhat flexible, but those 3 things might be the main problems when a person can't predict right.

I would put pre and post draws on PART of the "Handling of the draws".

My advice is to use the actual published winning draws and the best possible prediction logic as we have control only over that.

EXCALIBUR - LANTERN - MonEl, at the beginning when I came to L.P., I tried and tried and tried again, many times over and over and failed and failed and kept on failing and at least one time, I tried making predictions daily or almost daily for very many states, that is individual predictions for each state (pick 3 game), at the beginning I tried my hand at prediction quite a lot, that is the first few years and even quite a few years later after that I tried boxed digits predictions for Texas almost everyday for almost 3 months.

So I would like to think that I know one or two things about lottery prediction, but mostly about the pick 3 game.

Of course, there are as many opinions as there are people.

I used to think and say that "random" was my toy and that I had "broken" the pick 3 game in so many ways.

Well, good luck!

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Jul 4, 2017, 11:21 am

patterns of pre draws and past numbers can help to produce the winning numbers
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Jul 4, 2017, 11:44 am

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Jul 3, 2017
Those pre-test numbers should be posted on the lottery website for every drawing when the winning numbers are printed. If lottery numbers (RNG) are totally random, what are they afraid of? Random numbers have no pattern....Right?

In my view, that's the key question. Are lotteries simply concerned that releasing such pre-test data will confuse players? -and/or are they afraid that players will question the entire draw process? My guess is it's a combination of both. Most lotteries rely on self-regulation, and generally lack transparency. Texas is among the few exceptions.

What would be interesting is for someone with the time and lottery data (ie. paid members of LP) analyzing the number distribution of past draws. For Pick-3, in particular, there should be sufficient data to notice irregularities. Likewise, though to a lesser extent, for Pick-4.

Jackpot games will be much more challenging to analyze, but typically, there's less of a reason for a lottery to attempt tampering with those unless an insider is seeking to win, such as what occurred with Hot Lotto (why anyone still plays that game is beyond me, but that's another different topic).

Another motive for fixing a jackpot game would be to force roll-overs early on to cover the initial jackpot. That is something, even with limited draw data, one could analyze.

Rambling on, but pre-tests could be used to skew results in the lottery's favor. Presumably, taking out balls, swapping machines, etc is done to ensure the draw is random, but doing so could, potentially, result in some draws being less than random...

Balls switched out for others that provide a favorable pre-test result, but are, in reality, faulty in some way. For example, many lotteries will perform a swap, if the same ball(s) are drawn multiple times. Different weighted / altered balls may provide for more favorable pre-test results than truly equal, identical weighted balls...

Not saying this necessarily the case all the time, but a plausible possibility that can't be overlooked. As a layperson, if I've thought of this, surely lotteries have too. Another reason for them to keep such pre-test data secret. Again, props to Texas Lottery for being more transparent than most and providing such data to the public.
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Jul 4, 2017, 1:26 pm

Being one of the 'funny' people who say lottery balls have no memory, my opinion may not be worth much.
However, my opinion is that we can choose any of the many ways to use game history as the basis for our individual integer choices.
I think every lottery gambler knows how to create and use a game history file.
We can include or not include the so-called pre- and post-test permutations/combinations. We just have to be consistent.
Texans can include the tests because they are immediately available, as opposed to being available once per month by mail in other states.
The price is a whole lot of extra processing that may not be of value.
After many years of struggle to find a reliable game history data base, l've concluded that tracking charts that reflect game 'trends' in several areas of interest is the best choice.
Therefore, I have created a specific game history data bases for every game and drawing that I spend money on.
I only use the winning integers, no tests.
For example, I play Texas Cash5/37, which is a daily game, only on Monday.
The game history data base includes 'only' previous Monday draw results.
I have updated my game history data base, used my standard integer selection process to choose 11 integers which, using a wheeling system, provided me with 5 sets for play on July 10th.
True, one or more of my five sets could arrive before the play date, but, that's the risk I'm willing to take.
I also play the Texas Daily 4 Monday Day drawing.
I've updated the game history data base and I've chosen 4 sets for play on July 10, Day drawing.
Again, any one of my choices could arrive in the 24 other drawings that will occur before July 10, Day drawing, but I'm willing to take the risk.
Bottom line, I have a specific game history data base for every game and drawing that I play. I simply ignore the tests and all other winning combinations for the non-played drawings.
Does it work??
I could re-post the $5,000 Daily 4 win I had in December using my workout/system.
By the way, a lot of lottery players live and die using some form of mathematics to guide their guesswork.
Me? I don't use any statistical data. I just have to follow specific rules of procedure when updating the history and tracking charts, and be able to count to 20.
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Jul 4, 2017, 1:57 pm

Hey can't you guys condense that into 3 or 4 sentences? Its like reading a freaking book for God's sake.

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Jul 4, 2017, 6:33 pm

Yes, since one draw doesn't have anything at all to do with any other draw, if you wanted to make predictions for the 1st of every month of the year, that is for the very next 1st of the month, if you wanted to you could just use a history of winning numbers having draws from the 1st of every month.

After all, it is a "make believe" thing, statistics or whatever you want to call them, is the only thing at all that relates one lottery "thing" with any other(s) lottery "thing(s)".

Many people don't understand what predicting lottery "random" is all about and that is how it should be.

Believe it or not and maybe most of you won't believe it, one number, integer, ball, draw and or whatever doesn't have anything at all to do with any other of those, it is all a make believe thing, prediction works to some extent sometimes due to the nature of "random" and statistics, even if you call statistics some other way, but never mind what I say, keep on doing your own thing and see how you do with that, after, all it is your own money and you can do as you want to, there are as many opinions as there are people, chances are that nobody is going to predict for you and that you need to make your own predictions, so good luck with that, to each person their own or whatever.

Many years ago when I made my digits predictions for Tx on the pick 3 forum for almost 3 months, quite a lot of people were following those posts, because of the way that I posted the predictions inside image picture files that were hosted on image picture Internet servers, those predictions were erased (deleted) and have been gone for years, very little is left of those predictions, sorry, but I did as I did for my own reasons.

Well, never mind what I wrote and good luck!

I am somebody who doesn't follow "the flow", it is 2017 and I am still using an old Windows XP computer that I bought used on the Internet many years ago, you say that it is not safe to do that? Then how come I am still doing it? You see my posts here on L.P. don't you?

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Jul 4, 2017, 9:47 pm

NC publishes the previous month's predraw nos. I believe that it's Vergie who posts them here. Don't know how/where she gets them, but she does post them here sometimes.

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