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winsumloosesum

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Quote: Originally posted by hillbilly953 on Mar 7, 2018
I been trying to do this in xcell but no luck ,trying to count in between hits to see how many skips be for the sets hit again, see the 026 was 12 draws back ,and the 035 was 3draws back

I think this would be good if I can get it done because you would be able to see what sets would be coming into play

032 was 8 draws back

037 was 8 draws back

I trying to see what skips

may be the 8 draws back for today = 41 set the master slider at

0 is a padded digit so it don't count

Try this HB

https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZvOvL7Z9ircjetgP4beMexYuPyovHeC1vlk

Values out 8 draws (column N)

027, 030, and 036
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Mar 7, 2018, 1:01 pm

My bad

It has to be

Ctrl-Shift-Enter to work.
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Quote: Originally posted by hillbilly953 on Mar 7, 2018
I been trying to do this in xcell but no luck ,trying to count in between hits to see how many skips be for the sets hit again, see the 026 was 12 draws back ,and the 035 was 3draws back

I think this would be good if I can get it done because you would be able to see what sets would be coming into play

032 was 8 draws back

037 was 8 draws back

I trying to see what skips

may be the 8 draws back for today = 41 set the master slider at

0 is a padded digit so it don't count

The next update will have this information built in.

RL

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CARBOB

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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 7, 2018
The next update will have this information built in.

RL

Fantastic!!! Thanks!!!
RL-RANDOMLOGIC

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:40 pm

Here is a sample from my MO3C MS slide. I had to trim off a few of the results so that everything came out right.

The first value is the MS slide, 2nd shows the total hits and the 3rd list shows days between hits or from one hit to

the next.

Rl

.15-> 1 ->82
.17-> 2 ->69 411
.18-> 4 ->56 22 59 102
.19-> 6 ->122 49 156 56 3 110
.20-> 6 ->9 42 58 12 44 176
.21-> 12 ->26 115 7 18 11 109 54 4 49 11 9 19
.22-> 26 ->46 7 23 14 11 2 13 1 47 16 27 16 5 54 43 6 16 8 10 1 1 1 99 7 15 3
.23-> 32 ->1 6 18 23 2 12 1 29 3 5 52 53 22 20 3 17 2 19 6 10 7 1 3 4 14 9 4 56 12 20 17 28
.24-> 51 ->3 12 8 21 1 29 1 5 1 12 9 2 9 5 2 4 25 1 7 3 1 2 12 13 5 4 4 18 40 32 27 17 16 13 5 6 3 3 7 8
.25-> 43 ->10 3 1 6 22 52 2 9 23 1 6 4 28 16 2 9 2 7 15 6 11 35 1 6 2 2 2 31 7 9 8 12 2 2 38 2 2 13 20 2
.26-> 51 ->4 2 10 5 10 1 3 5 1 2 22 5 1 12 24 1 11 4 3 14 55 18 29 3 4 14 12 10 4 9 1 8 9 20 9 13 1 4 8
.27-> 69 ->19 3 2 4 1 8 2 8 2 5 3 7 4 5 4 8 1 5 19 2 15 31 10 6 4 22 8 3 9 23 11 1 2 4 1 4 12 6 16 3 6 11
.28-> 33 ->17 71 9 9 19 6 14 24 12 18 3 4 24 3 13 2 8 4 4 1 8 24 9 2 29 58 15 13 1 22 14 12 1
.29-> 44 ->2 3 25 4 2 2 17 4 1 1 6 5 17 41 42 14 4 8 6 6 30 1 3 7 1 6 32 5 6 9 3 10 1 8 25 3 2 57 9 33 15
.30-> 48 ->8 10 66 15 12 3 19 3 7 1 3 7 5 20 5 7 1 24 1 4 8 3 5 1 15 21 2 17 9 20 4 13 4 5 8 5 24 16 16
.31-> 25 ->27 6 19 14 21 28 19 19 9 25 2 33 3 1 5 3 38 15 18 69 2 30 9 54 21
.32-> 21 ->11 1 67 19 58 53 5 22 32 49 12 5 38 5 3 2 8 28 24 17 22
.33-> 11 ->138 13 4 15 12 98 12 108 37 51 9
.34-> 5 ->58 88 182 94 71
.35-> 5 ->132 10 73 81 109
.36-> 2 ->212 137
.38-> 2 ->173 3

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Mar 7, 2018, 1:40 pm

wonder how RL's 50 across the slider worked out for OMJ?
hillbilly953

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Mar 7, 2018, 2:26 pm

THANK YOU RL and WINSUM this should help people make the right choice when and what to set the master slider

to.
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Mar 7, 2018, 3:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 7, 2018
Here is a sample from my MO3C MS slide. I had to trim off a few of the results so that everything came out right.

The first value is the MS slide, 2nd shows the total hits and the 3rd list shows days between hits or from one hit to

the next.

Rl

.15-> 1 ->82
.17-> 2 ->69 411
.18-> 4 ->56 22 59 102
.19-> 6 ->122 49 156 56 3 110
.20-> 6 ->9 42 58 12 44 176
.21-> 12 ->26 115 7 18 11 109 54 4 49 11 9 19
.22-> 26 ->46 7 23 14 11 2 13 1 47 16 27 16 5 54 43 6 16 8 10 1 1 1 99 7 15 3
.23-> 32 ->1 6 18 23 2 12 1 29 3 5 52 53 22 20 3 17 2 19 6 10 7 1 3 4 14 9 4 56 12 20 17 28
.24-> 51 ->3 12 8 21 1 29 1 5 1 12 9 2 9 5 2 4 25 1 7 3 1 2 12 13 5 4 4 18 40 32 27 17 16 13 5 6 3 3 7 8
.25-> 43 ->10 3 1 6 22 52 2 9 23 1 6 4 28 16 2 9 2 7 15 6 11 35 1 6 2 2 2 31 7 9 8 12 2 2 38 2 2 13 20 2
.26-> 51 ->4 2 10 5 10 1 3 5 1 2 22 5 1 12 24 1 11 4 3 14 55 18 29 3 4 14 12 10 4 9 1 8 9 20 9 13 1 4 8
.27-> 69 ->19 3 2 4 1 8 2 8 2 5 3 7 4 5 4 8 1 5 19 2 15 31 10 6 4 22 8 3 9 23 11 1 2 4 1 4 12 6 16 3 6 11
.28-> 33 ->17 71 9 9 19 6 14 24 12 18 3 4 24 3 13 2 8 4 4 1 8 24 9 2 29 58 15 13 1 22 14 12 1
.29-> 44 ->2 3 25 4 2 2 17 4 1 1 6 5 17 41 42 14 4 8 6 6 30 1 3 7 1 6 32 5 6 9 3 10 1 8 25 3 2 57 9 33 15
.30-> 48 ->8 10 66 15 12 3 19 3 7 1 3 7 5 20 5 7 1 24 1 4 8 3 5 1 15 21 2 17 9 20 4 13 4 5 8 5 24 16 16
.31-> 25 ->27 6 19 14 21 28 19 19 9 25 2 33 3 1 5 3 38 15 18 69 2 30 9 54 21
.32-> 21 ->11 1 67 19 58 53 5 22 32 49 12 5 38 5 3 2 8 28 24 17 22
.33-> 11 ->138 13 4 15 12 98 12 108 37 51 9
.34-> 5 ->58 88 182 94 71
.35-> 5 ->132 10 73 81 109
.36-> 2 ->212 137
.38-> 2 ->173 3

RL that's great but if you could say count the skips on each one and rank them from most to less

like the .22 would have the skip 1=4 times

this might be over board But it help every body because if you like say the .28 then you would see what skips it likes the most. i see the 9- 3times then the 4 -3 and 17 -1 time

I will play the skip 9 -3 overthe17skip

more the same skip the stronger it is

And Thank You Again for your hard work on this
RL-RANDOMLOGIC

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Mar 7, 2018, 3:58 pm

The steps tool L-digit analysis should give us the first digit for the MS and FS slide without much

work. This still leaves us with the R-digit and while we might be able to pin it down to a single digit

we can eliminate a couple and choose a couple that look like possible shows. I don't expect to

hit the nail on the head every time but every bit of information we gain can cut the field of choices

down. There are also a few combos of the MS and FS slide settings that won't produce any

lines so that's something else that can narrow the field. It's all about how much time one wants

to give to a setup. Once we have the left digits for MS and FS then we can look at the skip/hit

data and maybe come to a logical choice as being the best fit. I only use one program to do a

setup which forces me to pick exact values. In past experience I find that it helps me build my

skills little by little as I get to know how the data flows game to game. Once we have our MS

and FS we can then use the fast stats and the positional wheel to cut the field down even more.

I think people would fair better if they developed a systematic setup routine and then work on

perfecting it. I like to use a flow chart method where I follow a process of steps and depending

on the lines reduced at each step the flow chart tells me what to do next. Anyway, the new

version is coming along better than expected and I am now in the final testing stages. I still

need to make a video or two but want to wait until I am sure it's complete before I do.

RL

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Mar 7, 2018, 5:48 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 7, 2018
Here is a sample from my MO3C MS slide. I had to trim off a few of the results so that everything came out right.

The first value is the MS slide, 2nd shows the total hits and the 3rd list shows days between hits or from one hit to

the next.

Rl

.15-> 1 ->82
.17-> 2 ->69 411
.18-> 4 ->56 22 59 102
.19-> 6 ->122 49 156 56 3 110
.20-> 6 ->9 42 58 12 44 176
.21-> 12 ->26 115 7 18 11 109 54 4 49 11 9 19
.22-> 26 ->46 7 23 14 11 2 13 1 47 16 27 16 5 54 43 6 16 8 10 1 1 1 99 7 15 3
.23-> 32 ->1 6 18 23 2 12 1 29 3 5 52 53 22 20 3 17 2 19 6 10 7 1 3 4 14 9 4 56 12 20 17 28
.24-> 51 ->3 12 8 21 1 29 1 5 1 12 9 2 9 5 2 4 25 1 7 3 1 2 12 13 5 4 4 18 40 32 27 17 16 13 5 6 3 3 7 8
.25-> 43 ->10 3 1 6 22 52 2 9 23 1 6 4 28 16 2 9 2 7 15 6 11 35 1 6 2 2 2 31 7 9 8 12 2 2 38 2 2 13 20 2
.26-> 51 ->4 2 10 5 10 1 3 5 1 2 22 5 1 12 24 1 11 4 3 14 55 18 29 3 4 14 12 10 4 9 1 8 9 20 9 13 1 4 8
.27-> 69 ->19 3 2 4 1 8 2 8 2 5 3 7 4 5 4 8 1 5 19 2 15 31 10 6 4 22 8 3 9 23 11 1 2 4 1 4 12 6 16 3 6 11
.28-> 33 ->17 71 9 9 19 6 14 24 12 18 3 4 24 3 13 2 8 4 4 1 8 24 9 2 29 58 15 13 1 22 14 12 1
.29-> 44 ->2 3 25 4 2 2 17 4 1 1 6 5 17 41 42 14 4 8 6 6 30 1 3 7 1 6 32 5 6 9 3 10 1 8 25 3 2 57 9 33 15
.30-> 48 ->8 10 66 15 12 3 19 3 7 1 3 7 5 20 5 7 1 24 1 4 8 3 5 1 15 21 2 17 9 20 4 13 4 5 8 5 24 16 16
.31-> 25 ->27 6 19 14 21 28 19 19 9 25 2 33 3 1 5 3 38 15 18 69 2 30 9 54 21
.32-> 21 ->11 1 67 19 58 53 5 22 32 49 12 5 38 5 3 2 8 28 24 17 22
.33-> 11 ->138 13 4 15 12 98 12 108 37 51 9
.34-> 5 ->58 88 182 94 71
.35-> 5 ->132 10 73 81 109
.36-> 2 ->212 137
.38-> 2 ->173 3

I like it!!!!
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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Mar 7, 2018
Here is a sample from my MO3C MS slide. I had to trim off a few of the results so that everything came out right.

The first value is the MS slide, 2nd shows the total hits and the 3rd list shows days between hits or from one hit to

the next.

Rl

.15-> 1 ->82
.17-> 2 ->69 411
.18-> 4 ->56 22 59 102
.19-> 6 ->122 49 156 56 3 110
.20-> 6 ->9 42 58 12 44 176
.21-> 12 ->26 115 7 18 11 109 54 4 49 11 9 19
.22-> 26 ->46 7 23 14 11 2 13 1 47 16 27 16 5 54 43 6 16 8 10 1 1 1 99 7 15 3
.23-> 32 ->1 6 18 23 2 12 1 29 3 5 52 53 22 20 3 17 2 19 6 10 7 1 3 4 14 9 4 56 12 20 17 28
.24-> 51 ->3 12 8 21 1 29 1 5 1 12 9 2 9 5 2 4 25 1 7 3 1 2 12 13 5 4 4 18 40 32 27 17 16 13 5 6 3 3 7 8
.25-> 43 ->10 3 1 6 22 52 2 9 23 1 6 4 28 16 2 9 2 7 15 6 11 35 1 6 2 2 2 31 7 9 8 12 2 2 38 2 2 13 20 2
.26-> 51 ->4 2 10 5 10 1 3 5 1 2 22 5 1 12 24 1 11 4 3 14 55 18 29 3 4 14 12 10 4 9 1 8 9 20 9 13 1 4 8
.27-> 69 ->19 3 2 4 1 8 2 8 2 5 3 7 4 5 4 8 1 5 19 2 15 31 10 6 4 22 8 3 9 23 11 1 2 4 1 4 12 6 16 3 6 11
.28-> 33 ->17 71 9 9 19 6 14 24 12 18 3 4 24 3 13 2 8 4 4 1 8 24 9 2 29 58 15 13 1 22 14 12 1
.29-> 44 ->2 3 25 4 2 2 17 4 1 1 6 5 17 41 42 14 4 8 6 6 30 1 3 7 1 6 32 5 6 9 3 10 1 8 25 3 2 57 9 33 15
.30-> 48 ->8 10 66 15 12 3 19 3 7 1 3 7 5 20 5 7 1 24 1 4 8 3 5 1 15 21 2 17 9 20 4 13 4 5 8 5 24 16 16
.31-> 25 ->27 6 19 14 21 28 19 19 9 25 2 33 3 1 5 3 38 15 18 69 2 30 9 54 21
.32-> 21 ->11 1 67 19 58 53 5 22 32 49 12 5 38 5 3 2 8 28 24 17 22
.33-> 11 ->138 13 4 15 12 98 12 108 37 51 9
.34-> 5 ->58 88 182 94 71
.35-> 5 ->132 10 73 81 109
.36-> 2 ->212 137
.38-> 2 ->173 3

There ye go! But count also groups on the same line like
25 (col1) 27 (col2) 31 (col5)...
They hit n times in 100 draws, last time in draw 7, before that in lines 10, 18, 23...

Slider should do that, not the user. Slider would be much faster and accurate.
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Mar 7, 2018, 7:12 pm

I do this with Slide II:

1 - I loaded my game (I call the file MS31.TXT) and saved the dump file (click D).

2 - I open another game (MO31) on Slide II Pick 3. Then I deleted the combined file of my game (MS3C.TXT). I opened my file and deleted the last 10 drawn.

3 - I reopened my game in Slide II. I getted the dump file and then compared it with the first dump file. The MS, FS, FP e BP value don't changed.

4 - Next I tested the MS's behaviour : I setted the values of MS reading from the initial dump, wheeling (click Wheel) and checked if the next winner is in the set of lines generated. If yes, I updated the game for the next drawn, and did the procedure again.

In two files of Pick 3 games, I observed some strange results. Although I putted the correct MS value for the next drawn, the winner is not in the set of line generated. But, if I updated the game for the next drawn, the same MS value get the winner number.

That is, after fact MS always select the correct winner, but before the fact, even the correct MS value does not select the winner.

I tested the FS, FP and BP behaviour, one by one, and also together. All they are consistents: the same value of FS, FP and BP works before and after the fact. I don't know if this strange behaviour of MS is by design or is unintentional. May be RL can look at this.

So I think it is better to try to predict FS, FP and BP than MS.

And yes, RL´s Slide II is a great program! Thank you!
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Mar 7, 2018, 9:02 pm

roncab

When you L-click the Atune it sets the slides for live play. If you R-click Atune then it sets

the slide values to produce the most current draw, ie the top line in the database.

Some have asked to dump all the slide values to a text file but it would not help in the least.

Every set added or removed from the database has a effect on the calculations and the blue

and green slides are set the way they are to limit the number of lines that pass the conditions.

These slide can be set to anything because as long as the MS and FS slides are set to the range

that allows the winning set to pass they don't count for $hit. For all they do, I could of left them

out of view for the user and just shown the MS and FS slide. Slider-II was planned to recreate

slider-1 but because I could not recreate the algorithms, they are totally different programs. I

started with the same sort of interface and built the guts to go with it. Take the lower slides for

instance. They were suppose to be part of a prediction algorithm where the user adjusted them

until they turned a solid color indicating it was tuned to the most probable setting. Now they are

simple lottery filters. The first slider source code was deleted by mistake before it was ever close

to it's planned state. It was designed to work very similar to a audio EQ, mixer. One could set

the slides to pass certain bands of frequencies and reject others. In effect it could block some

digit combinations without blocking any one digit from play. Slider-II is something totally different.

The algorithms in the first Slider came to me in a dream. I jumped out of bed and started writing

the code before it vanished. I got the important stuff down and figured I could work the rest out

in time, it never came to be. With all that said I think Slider-II is a good tool but it's far from what

I had hoped it would be.

RL

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Mar 7, 2018, 9:12 pm

P.S. I almost embedded a randomly generated database that would act as the database for all games.

Because of the way the data is calculated in blocks there is little to no difference between GA and who

knows what. In any pick-3 game add up the total number of times each digit hits in a 45 games. Most

draws regardless or the state they were drawn in will show very similar totals. Like I said, it's all about

the way they are calculated by the program. A bias is assigned given a digits performance over many

blocks of drawings and then a probability is assigned. This keeps them from all having nearly the same

frequency of hits.

It all boils down to a filtering system that filters combinations instead of actual digits.

RL

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Mar 8, 2018, 6:52 am

RL

Tthanks for the explanation. It was my fault. I did not realize that the settings in the filters are different when L-click and r-click ATUNE.
I checked again and everything is fine: MS works very well before and after the fact.

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